With the recent problems of Mel Gibson it is now time to open a discussion over who is and is not an anti semite. I dedicate this post to Greg of Hear O Israel who needs to read this. I am not Mad Zionist and I do not agree with everything he says but he is my friend. No doubt he may be overzealous but doing backflips to badmouth MZ while catering to Gert a Communist anti semite is absurd.
I want to open with Gibson who has appologized. Unlike Ducky, 167, John Brown and Gertthis was an isolated event. We make to much of stupid behavior like Prince Harry's arm band. Harry unlike George Galloway has no such history and was a drunk stupid teen. Thus when Cindy Sheehan, Hugo Chavez and Al Sharpton make anti semitic comments we should treat them far more seriously. Gibson appologized he is sincere about moving ahead. For crying out loud drunk driving is far more serious then blathering idiots like Gibson. Hollywood actors with the exception of James Woods are not known for their intellect.
Interestingly, our resident communist anti semite Ducky was worked up about Gibson's drunken tirade. Lets compare our familiar anti semites on some basic measures.
You are an anti semite if you do any of the following
1 Criticize Israel 24/7 and make Israel the center of every problem in the world. Single Israel out for disproportionate criticism beyond what is reasonable. The guilty parties are
1 167 who has an entire blog dedicated to nothing but his anti semitic fixations. A typical example is railing about the homophobia of Olmert for wanting to stop a gay pride march in Jerusalem. Do note that such an event held in Mecca would end with a mass beheading. 167 also praises the execution of gays in Iran and Saudi Arabia claiming that all the convicted were pedophiles. Apparently torture begins and ends at Abu Gharib with Panties on the head and naked twister. I am certain 167 is upset because he wasn't invited to play.
Weasie, Gert, Ducky, Uptown Steve and John Brown are clearly guilty of this. In fact all of the above devote far more space to Israel then I do. Most of my space on Israel is devoted to responding to blatant Communist anti semitism.
Weasie is a typical marxist clown whose own links would get him hanged. His awkward attempts to flirt with Nanc were contingent upon her having the correct views on Israel. Nanc will verify this story when she arrives.
Robert Lindsay who we call 147 is so anti semitic even Esther had to conceed the point. Esther is a dear friend whose elegance, class and placid demeanor are known to many lucky enough to call her friend.
I want to point out that Menachem of MZ's blog is not an anti semite. His critique of governmental policy is done like that of Rob Bayn. It is not unpatriotic to see a better policy. It is unpatriotic to cavort with Communist, Marxists, anarchists and all those whose record of unreasonable criticism of the USA and Israel is evident.
2 The Dual Loyalty game played with American Jews
167, Ducky, Uptown Steve are clearly guilty of questioning the patriotism of American Jews. If there is any group with a clear and convincing record of treason, sedition and disloyalty it is the Communists themselves. This is a classic case of projection.
John Brown plays this game every day.
3 Jew as Nazi game
167, Ducky, John Brown are all clearly guilty of this.
4 Israel as an aparthied state.
167, Ducky and John Brown are classic examples.
5 Gloating over the death of Ariel Sharon
167 and John Brown are clearly guilty. Do note one does not see me behaving in a similar manner with Fidel ( commie thug) or even Yasser ( corrupt thief and terrorist) Arafat's problems.
6 Jews have too much control over the media, aipac cabals
167 uses the term Zionist media more then David Duke. John Brown plays this game.
7 Jews stole the Holocaust to create Israel
This is a 167 special. Not even John Brown has started this insanity.
8 Holocaust Denial
Tsiagne on Bad Eagle and Alain on FPM.
9 Jews blew up the WTC
Murray Rothbard at FPM. One should push Weasie and John Brown to name the culprits.
Brown mumbles incoherently about moooooslim goblins and has stolen that material from my spooof Beakerkin of the Rings. He is upset that the heroes are Beamish Baggins and Jason Papas the Liberterian Wizzard. Brown was reduced to playing the incoherent Brownlum.
10 Word games with Zionism and Joooooo and the introduction of zionism or jews into absurd conversations.
167, Ducky and John Brown are guilty. An example of this is the insane 167 blaming a police accident on " zionist methods". In fact 167 spent several posts blaming the police who were on edge and trying to protect citizens. He spent next to zero words condeming the actual perpetrators of the 7/7 bombings in London.
11 Racial inferiority
Tsiagane at Bad Eagle and Alain at FPM are examples of this.
12 Modern Blood Libel
The myth of Israel deliberately targeting the UN, children in Qana, promotion of fake massacres such as Jenin.
167 and Brown are guilty
Now it is clear Gert does not do many of these things. However he is clearly guilty of point number one. Will Greg be as tough on Gert as he was on MZ? I doubt it Greg strikes me as a personable sort who is naive. One should not worry about pleasing Communist anti semites whose behavior is akin to a rabid dog.
Beamish in 08
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I regret doing this to innocent traitors and sociopaths but if you can harass my friends then your are fare game.
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The thing that gets me is that leftists who on any other day are claiming America fights wars for or on behalf of Israel are bagging on Mel Gibson for getting drunk and letting his Catholicism hang out.
Don't get me wrong, what Mel Gibson had to say was utterly despicable, a blood libel above all blood libels.
I hope someone leads him to Christianity.
Ducky republish your comments. We will alow you to defend yourself.
We encourage regular commenters to voice their observations.
You should not be lumped with John Brown, 167 and Robert Lindsay who belong in psycho wards. You also have better social skills then Weasie who is a legend in his own mind.
Janice belongs in her own category as imbecile.
I will grant you some credit for social skills. Your sick and twisted alternative lifestyle as a Red Sox fan is beyond the pale.
Interestingly you did miss a point about homoerotic art. The works of Michaelangelo are indeed homoerotic. This does not detract from their artistic skill. The question is that of good taste. Robert Maplethorpe is an example of poor taste.
This topic deserves its own thread.
Louis Farrakhan and 1.2 billion other Muslims are anti-semites. Mel Gibson may well be also.
Mel Gibson may be anti-Semitic. But why is he being held to account while other more-virulent (and SOBER) anti-Semites aren't?
Maybe Gibson's apology isn't genuine (Polls seem to indicate otherwise), but the virulent anti-Semites never apologize. They just cook up more arguments to "prove" their position.
I never take seriously Hollywood types, especially those who claim authority as pundits. As far as I know, Gibson isn't guilty of the latter.
What gets me is that on any other day, the same leftist assholes bagging on Mel Gibson for getting drunk and letting his Catholicism hang out are the same leftist assholes that scream at their little anti-war gatherings that America is fighting wars for and / or on behalf of Israel.
What Mel Gibson said was the worst of anti-Semitic blood libels, and inexcusable.
If Mel Gibson is sincere about being ashamed of his childhood catechism lessons, he should leave the Catholic Church and become a Christian.
Ducky
I seldom post on the subject of Israel. The rare posts I do write are in response to blatant Communist antsemitism.
You have made the Jooo nazi link several times notably recently on AOW sites.
Israel is a multi racial mutli ethnic society. Where are the jooos of Jordan, Syria, Iraq and Egypt oops. So much for your aparthied stupidity.
As I have said before Aparthied was odious but Communist societies like Cuba, China , the former USSR are worse. I will extend this to Islamo thug states like Syria, Saudi Arabia, Sudan and Iran.
I think the readers know my posts and post on Israel are rare. Posts on Communist treason and anti semitism are staples.
AC it is great to see you. Gibson made an error and a sincere apology unlike Jesse Jackson and Al Sharpton.
Mr Beamish
Ducky calling anyone other then 167 or John Brown anti semitic is a bad joke.
Beakerkin,
Becoming a Christian might do Ducky some good too.
Mr. Beamish,
I'm not making excuses for Gibson. He does need to do more than apologize.
I wonder what his wife will have to say about that picture of Gibson with the blonde woman. That's not his wife, is it?
Mr. B:
"If Mel Gibson is sincere about being ashamed of his childhood catechism lessons, he should leave the Catholic Church and become a Christian."
Am I to take it you dont consider Catholics as Christians?
Just what constitutes a Christian in your view? Baptist,Church of Christ, Pentacostal, Methodist, Episcopalian,Presbytirian?
I was under the assumption that no matter what the name if you believed in Christ you were considered a Christian.
Che Sucky Ducky,
You DID just manage to put yourself in the same class as MR Joh Brown Stain.
Only a purposely ignorant FOOL would call Israel an apartheid state like MR Stain.
Beakerkin and others may give you some space, but, you don't even earn the right to breathe in my view.
HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA
You Che MORON!!!!
HI BEAK! Yes, Mel has apologized--which is more than most do. Also, he is aware of his attitudes and deems them inappropriate; he is willing to work on them and has admitted his wrongs. He is a flawed man, but he is a man. The Dis-Uniters and Uptowns of the world will never have that much integrity.
I, too, recognize my own prejudices--and I'm not happy having them, realize their limitations, I am aware of how they limit me. I work on them--more, no doubt, than Uptown will EVER work on HIS.
You ask who is an anti-Semite. Recently, in my ongoing battle with DU, I have come to see the subtler ones. There currently is a big whoop-dee over the difference between an 'anti-Semite' and an 'anti-Zionist'.
Those at DU maintain that they are not the same thing. Perhaps not technically the same thing...those at DU only use the one to hide behind the other rather neatly.
Then you have the ignorants over there who ask why Israel was not founded within the United States (kids watching a Cecil B. De Mille movie seem to know more about the middle east than these folks do...) and why it must 'bother' everyone by being located on the shores of the Med. in 'Palestine'. Please add them to your list. Anyone that blatantly stupid can't help but be anti-Semitic by their own clear choice.
I'm just itching to get these babies in the same room and ask them why Jesus lived and preached and died in 'Palestine', why they call him the King Of the Jews--and why he led an entire group of people there called 'Jews'--and if they were not native to the region, where on earth they think they came from! (It wasn't the Amtrak Sunset Limited that deposited them there!)
What glorious stupidity!
Who are you calling overzealous?
Greg is not an anti-Semite, he is just incredibly impulsive and immature.
Menachem is just a typical Israeli: an arrogant leftwing drone who's somehow still convinced "Land for Peace" really will work.
Gert: Pseudo-intellectual Anti-Semite
Ducky: See Gert
John Brown: Psychotic, dillusional anti-Semite.
167: See John Brown
Janice: Bimbo anti-Semite
Uptown: Male Janice
Pat Buchanon: Classic anti-Semite
Bob Novak: See Pat Buchanon
Mel Gibson: Disturbed classic anti-Semite
Dana: Self-loathing anti-Semite
MZ
I will agree with you about Greg's lack of maturity. I understand that in war things are broken and people die. The Israelis do not target civilians in fact they drop pamplets and even use automated telephones to warn people to leave.
I do not relish death or destruction it a regretable part of war and that is why sane men hate war. This situation in Lebanon was created by Islamo-Nazis
and their cheering sections on the left. The fact we are forced into war and that we loathe it distinguishes us from our enemy. In reality our ultimate enemy is the far left Marx types agitating and stiring the pot.
Justin,
"If Mel Gibson is sincere about being ashamed of his childhood catechism lessons, he should leave the Catholic Church and become a Christian."
Am I to take it you dont consider Catholics as Christians?
It's becoming more and more difficult.
Just what constitutes a Christian in your view? Baptist,Church of Christ, Pentacostal, Methodist, Episcopalian,Presbytirian?
None of the above. See Matthew Chapter 7.
I was under the assumption that no matter what the name if you believed in Christ you were considered a Christian.
See especially Matthew 7:21-23.
Do note that my response on Greg's site was immediate support. There is a missing post where I did a shortened version of this post.
Above all I stood with my friend namely you. This was a lesson that is apparently lost in the translation. Do remember this the next time Brown craps on your friends and you do nothing.
It is funny how the left jumped on the bandwagon and started calling Mel Gibson Anti-Semite (which he probably is).
After all, he just said things the left uses as their standard, political platform and phraseology.
Jooooos start all wars - puhleeeeease.
They just call it anti-Zionism.
Oh and typical line from a closet anti-Semite,which starts my alarm bells ringing is: I am not against Jooos, my greatgranmother was a Joo.
Or another one - I love Chomsky so how can I be an anti-Semite?
Beak,
I only saw it on television, but I'd rather have war than Sept. 11th reminders of why war is necessary.
LOL MissingLink. Or "I have [token] friends..."
Mr Beamish
I want to remind you of the reality of 9-11. Yes we live with Utopians who think nothing of perpetrating the horrors I lived through in 1993 and on 9-11.
My life has been changed forever by the senseless gratuitous violence. Yet my anger remains at the far left who used the oportunity to stab America in the back in a city filled with the stench of evil.
I loathe war but it is a reality forced upon us by utopians and their Marxist apologists.
Mr. B
Good try at deception with bible verse however, I am well aquainted with the sermon on the mount. It has absolutely zero to do with your statement that if Mel was truely sorry he would leave the Catholic Church and become a Christian.
I do believe it is you who has stated more than once that you were a Baptist. Does this mean you should leave the Baptist religion and become a "Christian"?
What ever the term Christian means to you.
As to :"See especially Matthew 7:21-23."
Verses Matthew 21 thru 23 go directly back to Jesus admonition in verse 15 to beware of false prophets who were as ravening wolves among sheep.
It might serve you better if instead of playing the typical bible thumper version of taking scripture out of context you started with the begining of Chapter 5 and read the whole sermon through.
If I were a bible thumper I would refer you back to Matthew 7:1-5.
nanc: fox
weasel: anti-semite flirt - of course, he was a gentleman when i asked that he stop calling me by my family name "babe".
he did do everything in his power to get me to renounce israel and the jew - to no avail. i do think he's anti-christian also. perhaps he doesn't like anybody. in which case he'd be considered as non-discriminating anyway.
i'm still trying to figure out how people get a good night's sleep with ANY hatred in their lives for another. as i've said before, ideals are another matter and i'm the first to admit i'm a little contrary to some...warren may disagree with me...or not...
Beakerkin,
ISLAMIC terrorism has brushed close to me enough to know that we're at war and have been long before 9/11. My oldest brother's destroyer was relieved of patrol duties at Yemen by the USS Cole. A childhood friend of mine lost a brother in the Hezbollah bombing of the Marine barracks in Beirut. Another friend of mine was maimed for life by a suicide bomber in Jerusalem. The world ain't big enough for me and terrorism.
So, war it is.
Mr Beamish
I am amazed that when I mentioned the Hezbollah complicity in the deaths of the 241 marines that people forget.
Justin,
And if I were a comment-thread-thumper, I'd refer you to your question to me on what constitutes a Christian to me and my pointing to what Christ had to say about it. There will be miracle-working demon exorcizers, the most glitteringly ostentatious of the "faithful," and Jesus will not even know who the hell they are.
Sound familiar?
Nanc,
I sleep rather peacefully at night hating French people and Iranians.
Beak, sorry you feel as if I've crapped on you. I don't see it that way at all, but if that's how you feel there isn't much I can say.
MZ
You are always a friend and friends sometimes disagree but remain friends. John Brown has crapped on your friends and taken refuge on your blog. Sooner or later you will lose your patience.
He has until midnight tommorow or his friends start seeing spam. I hate to do this but his friends leave me no choice.
Beak, I am doing a favor to everyone who wants to take a shot at him. Now that I have switched over to Haloscan, it is much easier for me to eliminate a spam issue or ban a blogger should it arise.
Nanc, are you calling me contrary?
Beak, "jb" is a third rate impotent propagandist. He puts out boilerplate propaganda hiding behind a firewall, safe in his little commie commune.
No doubt he is a legend in his own mind and imagines that, "some day, when the revolution comes". (LOL) he will recieve the approbation he desires.
None of these delusional utopians realize that if that revolution ever comes, they will be eaten for lunch on the first day.
Of course, Ducky, has a gun to shoot himself with in that eventuality.
Mr. B
Of course I am very familiar with what Jesus had to say concerning false prophets and miracle workers however, that did not in any way have the slightest thing to do with the question of you saying Mel should leave the Catholic Church and become a christian.
Unless, you are saying that by those three verses you deem Catholics are not Christians.
However, Mr. B in all truth I should never have expected that you would answer the question directly.
Just for your edification Mr B there never was a person known as "Christ" and, those verses have absolutely zero to do with being a christian.
I've always thought that 167, JB, and the rest had some strange fixation with you, Beak. I wonder if its sexual? They certainly jump through hoops to mess with you.
beamish - you are the exception to EVERY rule - how many times do i have to tell you!
justin,
Jesus said the only way to be saved was through him. He also said he was the only conduit to talking to His Father.
How does praying to Mary, Joseph, various Saints... fit into this???
I would also remind you the absolute negative of graven images, idols... How do all the statues of Saints, Jesus, Mary... fit into this???
I am not condemning Cathloics, BUT, if ya wanna quote scripture ya gotta take it ALL. You can't rewrite parts you don't like such as... (let your imagination fill in the blank here).
Justin,
I'm merely saying that most who claim Christianity aren't Christians, be they Mary worshippers, or just plain cocksuckers.
Anonymous: Said
"I am not condemning Cathloics, BUT, if ya wanna quote scripture ya gotta take it ALL. You can't rewrite parts you don't like such as... (let your imagination fill in the blank here)."
You are so right anonymous so I guess by your thread you accept and follow all the biblical law as it is written. Remember you cant rewrite the parts you dont like.
After all Jesus said "I have not come to change the law but to full fill the prophocies. Not one jot or tittle shall pass from the law until all things be full filled."
Mr. B said:
"I'm merely saying that most who claim Christianity aren't Christians, be they Mary worshippers, or just plain cocksuckers." However I would add or just plain biggots to that one.
Justin,
I said you have to accept ALL the book.
I did not claim to be perfect. I did not claim NOT to be a sinner.
I do occasionally try to be better. I also don't argue with the rules I have accepted.
And yes, Jesus chided the Priests and numbers of other people who tried to trap him into accepting the degraded situation the Priests were passing off as the LAW!!!
I believe divorce was one of the things he told them Moses had allowed them because they were, basically, pains in the but about it.
The current lefty attack on Christianity tries to give us the impression that you are not to be PUNISHED for wrongdoing or breaking the LAW. That any kind of activity is OK and acceptable under the BIG TENT.
I defy anyone to tell me where Jesus told ANYONE that sinning is OK. I believe the common tact is to say that Jesus saved the woman from being stoned and didn't do anything to anyone!!
I would come back with, Jesus chided the Priests to get their own affairs in order before trying to judge someone else for the same sin. He ALSO chided the woman to STOP sinning.
So, although he didn't go around stoning people, his message is forgiveness, he ALSO stayed with the strict guidelines about what is SINFUL.
What people, whether they are religious or not, ignore, is that the Judaic laws promote a way of life and an attitude toward self and community that is HEALTHY and PROMOTES WORKING TOGETHER AND BEING SUCCESSFUL.
Breaking these laws promote self interest and separation between people and communities. Even when self interested people congregate it is more for PERSONAL gain than family and community.
Off the soapbox.
Psst. Justin.
God's a "bigot" too. (Leviticus 20:13)
And allow me to correct Ducky on a few points:
The Catholic Church keeps "the name of every Protestant church member in the world" in a "big computer" in the atican for use in future persecutions.
Wrong. The Catholic Church is not this sophisticated. They couldn't possibly be, given that they only discovered that Galileo wasn't a devil and that the Earth orbits the Sun less than 15 years ago.
The conspiracy is much broader than this, and it has been going on for a very long time. In the sixth century, for instance, Catholic leaders manipulated the Arabian tribesman Mohammed into creating the religion of Islam to use as a weapon against the Jews and to conquer Jerusalem for the pope.
Sixth Century Catholicism was still debating and killing people over theological arguments about the nature of Jesus and if he had a higher place in the pantheon than Apollo and Osiris. Muhammad wouldn't have been born until 100 years later.
The Jesuits instigated the American Civil War, supporting the Confederate cause and seeking to undermine the Union. When they failed, they arranged the assassination of Abraham Lincoln.
Wrong. The Civil War was instigated by Democrats, a political party that was formed by people opposed to the ratification of the US Constitution.
Later, they formed the Ku Klux Klan.
That was, and still is Democrats today.
Jesuits worked closely with Marx, Engels, Trotsky, Lenin, and Stalin" to create Communism, and it was believed that soon Communism would rise up as the new daughter of the Vatican.
Nonsense. Marx and Engels were simply racist idiots. Trotsky, Lenin, and Stalin were by-products of that idiocy.
It was Rome that instigated the Bolshevik Revolution and the murder of the czar’s family.
No, it was leftists.
The Communist "liberation theology" movement also is a Vatican plot.
No, it's just another failed attempt to wed leftism and reality.
The Nazi Holocaust of the 1940s was a Vatican-controlled attempt to exterminate Jews and heretics.
Not controlled, but certainly blessed.
Further, Hitler, Mussolini, and Franco were backed by the Vatican for the purpose of setting up a one-world government to usher in the ‘Millennial Kingdom’ under Pope Pius XII.
Or, failing that, to provide safe passage for war criminals to hide with their fellow leftists in Argentina.
The Vatican conspiracy is so extensive that, through the Jesuits, Rome controls the Illuminati, the Council on Foreign Relations, international bankers, the Mafia, the Club of Rome, the Masons, and the New Age movement.
Nah, just Opus Dei.
The Jesuits created the Jehovah’s Witnesses, Mormonism, Unity, Christian Science, and other religious groups.
Doubtful. Believe it or not (stretch!) there are kooks outside the Roman Catholic Church.
Pope John Paul II was been a good Communist for many years and engineered a phony assassination attempt against himself in 1981 to shame Islam into improved relations with the Vatican.
Except that his would-be assassin(s) were a Turkish Marxist (first attempt) and a Spanish Mel Gibson-style Catholic (second attempt). JP2 improved Vatican relations with Islam by slobbering kisses on a book that denies the divinity of Jesus Christ (the Koran) in a nation where Christians were routinely killed for owning a Bible (Iraq). Later, in interfaith dialogues, the Popester decided to get cozy with Muslims by only speaking to associates of Osama Bin Laden and other Wahabbists / Salafists.
Ducky, all of this begs a question:
Why do I know more about Catholicism than you?
Mr. BTIP,
and another couple questions,
Is Che Sucky Ducky claiming he read this twaddle somewhere?
Is Che Sucky Ducky claiming he figured this stuff out on his own??
Why would a Socialist MORON even care??
HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA
OH OH OH OH I KNOW!!!
He cares cause the Catholics wouldn't let him join and become a Pedophile which HE thought was the normal function of Seminary!!!
HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA
Anonymous,
I think Ducky has read too many Jack Chick comics and not enough Bible.
My, My I guess religious bigotry abounds from all realms and yet they call themselves christians with their protestant conspiracies.
Tell me please Im sure you all know the answer.
What is the difference between your religious bigotry and anti-judeaism. Not anti-semitism that is racial.
And Beamish you are right about the Democrats starting the civil war and forming the "KKK" and they were Baptist for the most part. It is good to see that their spirit lives on in you and Anonymous.
Oh and Justin. I know I am an arrogant ass, but, I never claimed to be perfect and able follow all the laws laid out in the Book.
Of course, I ALSO ACCEPT THEM AS VALID AND THAT I AM A SINNER AND NEED TO WORK TO IMPROVE MYSELF!!!!
I don't try to tell people the way I am is OK and it ain't no one else's buisness but me and my Lord's.
The way we act HAS CONSEQUENCES AROUND US. We are RESPONSIBLE FOR THOSE CONSEQUENCES!!! I will PAY for my sins that I refuse to stop and ask forgiveness for.
Justin,
and what religious conspiracies, other than IslamoNazism, have you heard me espouse??
HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHHAHAHAHAHA
Justin,
I was raised Southern Baptist. I didn't become a Christian until much later. Generally now, I tend to avoid congregations with doctrines that Jesus wouldn't be welcome within (Jesus was involved in the manufacture of alcoholic beverages, y'know.)
But, what, pray tell, can you, a self-avowed polesmoking fecal ferret, tell me about the Bible's clear condemnation of homosexuality? Do you black out the parts of Scripture you don't like with a Sharpie marker?
Anonymous:
I do apologize to you for naming you in that post I should have followed my own rule of not posting when angry. I was reading Bemish's and Duck Brains post then went back to yours and read it again and posted with out really taking time to understand what you were saying.
I hope you will accept my apology in that matter.
I believe you were sincere in asking how praying to Mary or the Saints fit in with what you said Jesus said.
anonymous said:
"I would also remind you the absolute negative of graven images, idols... How do all the statues of Saints, Jesus, Mary... fit into this???"
G*D commanded the Israelites not to make unto themselves any graven image of any person or animal. Because, these images were used for idol worship. If you worship the image it is wrong but, is it wrong that we have the multitude of statues we have in the world today. How many protestant church's have a picture (graven image) of Jesus hanging in the church? How many protestant church's have a cross (graven image) behind the pulpit. They are not worshiped but used as reminders of the life of the church.
Catholics do not worship the Virgin Mary nor the Saints. They are used as reminders of who founded the faith. Many do pray to them for intercession with Jesus whom they are with. Yes, I do think that is wrong and as a catholic I do not pray to the saints or the Virgin Mary as a matter of personal belief. Do I judge or condem those that do? No.
Yes, I get very testy when people who profess to be christian attack other religions making themselves no better than they say those who they are attacking are.
If they took the time to really read their bible instead of using it as a attack tool they might just get the suprise of their lives of just how little they know.
For one Jesus's last name is not Christ. Christ is the shortened word Christos which is the greek translation of the hebrew word messiah which means the annointed of G*D.
They would also be suprised to find out that Jesus told his desciples not to take his message to the gentiles because it was for the fallen house of Israel.
Again Anon, I apologize for naming you in that thread. I will follow my own rule of not posting in anger or haste in the future.
Mr. Beamish,
What can you a self avowed insignifigant biggot offer the world aside from the bigotry and the vile venom you spew out of that sewer you call a brain.
You are a insignificant, vile, little creature whose importance is only in your own mind. But you wont run me off because you remind me so much of your brother Ducky.
Have a wonderful evening wallowing in your sty :)
Justin,
"They would also be suprised to find out that Jesus told his desciples not to take his message to the gentiles because it was for the fallen house of Israel."
I have heard this before and don't have a reference. Could you provide it??
How do you say "Vicar of Christ" in New Testament Greek?
A...n...t....i...c...h...
you get the picture.
Justin,
They would also be suprised to find out that Jesus told his desciples not to take his message to the gentiles because it was for the fallen house of Israel.
Huh?
"Then the eleven disciples went away into Galilee, into a mountain where Jesus had appointed them. And when they saw him, they worshipped him: but some doubted.
And Jesus came and spake unto them, saying, All power is given unto me in heaven and in earth.
Go ye therefore, and teach all nations, baptizing them in the name of the Father, and of the Son, and of the Holy Ghost:
Teaching them to observe all things whatsoever I have commanded you: and, lo, I am with you always, even unto the end of the world. Amen." - Matthew 28:16-20
"Afterward he appeared unto the eleven as they sat at meat, and upbraided them with their unbelief and hardness of heart, because they believed not them which had seen him after he was risen.
And he said unto them, Go ye into all the world, and preach the gospel to every creature. He that believeth and is baptized shall be saved; but he that believeth not shall be damned. And these signs shall follow them that believe; In my name shall they cast out devils; they shall speak with new tongues; They shall take up serpents; and if they drink any deadly thing, it shall not hurt them; they shall lay hands on the sick, and they shall recover." - Mark 16:14-18
"And he said unto them, These are the words which I spake unto you, while I was yet with you, that all things must be fulfilled, which were written in the law of Moses, and in the prophets, and in the psalms, concerning me. Then opened he their understanding, that they might understand the scriptures,
And said unto them, Thus it is written, and thus it behooved Christ to suffer, and to rise from the dead the third day: And that repentance and remission of sins should be preached in his name among all nations, beginning at Jerusalem.
And ye are witnesses of these things. And, behold, I send the promise of my Father upon you: but tarry ye in the city of Jerusalem, until ye be endued with power from on high." - Luke 24:44-49
"And, being assembled together with them, commanded them that they should not depart from Jerusalem, but wait for the promise of the Father, which, saith he, ye have heard of me. For John truly baptized with water; but ye shall be baptized with the Holy Ghost not many days hence. When they therefore were come together, they asked of him, saying, Lord, wilt thou at this time restore again the kingdom to Israel? And he said unto them, It is not for you to know the times or the seasons, which the Father hath put in his own power. But ye shall receive power, after that the Holy Ghost is come upon you: and ye shall be witnesses unto me both in Jerusalem, and in all Judaea, and in Samaria, and unto the uttermost part of the earth." - Acts 1:4-8
Please stop calling yourself a Christian. You're not fooling anyone.
Beamish said:
"Please stop calling yourself a Christian. You're not fooling anyone."
Your right you should quit calling yourself a christian because your not fooling anyone. :)
Anonymous:
Here is the scripture but let me warn you ahead of time. This verse is taken out of total context much as "SOME PEOPLE" do to make themselves feel superior to others or try to put others down. They try to use scripture to spread their bigotry and hatred.
And not unlike 167 when they are challenged they resort to vile insults to try and make themselves look bigger.
"But, what, pray tell, can you, a self-avowed polesmoking fecal ferret,"
Anyway back to the story and the scripture you asked for.
"Once, when Jesus sent his disciples out, he advised them, "Do not go among the Gentiles, or enter any town of the Samaritans. Go rather to the lost sheep of Israel" (Matthew 10:5-6). In another place we find Jesus said to a woman of Canaan, "I was sent only to the lost sheep of the house of Israel" (Matthew 15:24)."
As you will find Anonymous if you read the whole of the Gospels you will find 4 differing stories of Jesus's mission.
Justin,
Whatever, arsenokoitos.
Justin,
and don't forget Mathew 10:34:
"Do not think that I have come to bring peace upon the earth. I have come to bring not peace but the sword."
and 10:36:
"For I came to (BA)SET A MAN AGAINST HIS FATHER, AND A DAUGHTER AGAINST HER MOTHER, AND A DAUGHTER-IN-LAW AGAINST HER MOTHER-IN-LAW;
Kinda blows up the peace and love and "respect your parents" when he preaches the revolution.
It is very interesting the different interpretations from the Apostles in their writings. I think I will need to start to actually take time to STUDY the Bible.
What I have seen is that Jesus WAS sent to the Jews, but, did not turn away those who came to him believing in him who were NOT.
There are also numerous passages such as Isaiah 49:5,6 Acts 3:25,26 Acts 13:46,47 Mathew 28:18,19... that would seem to include all mankind on earth after he is risen.
Justin,
and don't forget Mathew 10:34:
"Do not think that I have come to bring peace upon the earth. I have come to bring not peace but the sword."
and 10:36:
"For I came to (BA)SET A MAN AGAINST HIS FATHER, AND A DAUGHTER AGAINST HER MOTHER, AND A DAUGHTER-IN-LAW AGAINST HER MOTHER-IN-LAW;
Kinda blows up the peace and love and "respect your parents" when he preaches the revolution.
It is very interesting the different interpretations from the Apostles in their writings. I think I will need to start to actually take time to STUDY the Bible.
What I have seen is that Jesus WAS sent to the Jews, but, did not turn away those who came to him believing in him who were NOT.
There are also numerous passages such as Isaiah 49:5,6 Acts 3:25,26 Acts 13:46,47 Mathew 28:18,19... that would seem to include all mankind on earth after he is risen.
Anonymous:
Great post. This is why I say we cannot just take some scripture and use it to judge others.
Jesus's message was for the entire world but just as some do one can take things out of context and make it seem to say what they wish it to say to support their own beliefs.
The best message for those who are christians to follow starts with the 1st verse of Matthew Chapter 5 and runs through the last verse of chapter 7. "And the multitude was amazed at his doctrine and authority.
Those two chapters sum up the whole of Jesus's ministry on earth and how we should follow him if we are Christian.
One has to remember his message was first and foremost to the lost house of Israel (perhaps some time we can discuss what the means) and secondly to the rest of the world.
Do not use the scripture to Judge any because as you judge so are you judged.
"Do not use the scripture to Judge any because as you judge so are you judged."
HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA
Spoken like a true lefty. This has become the lefties rallying cry when they can come up with no other way to undermine the Law!!!
That is NOT what Jesus meant, although many want it interpreted that way.
I would point out that he immediately turned to the woman and told her to (paraphrased) GO NOW AND SIN NO MORE!!!!
So, pointing out the fact that someone is a sinner isn't alowed??
Doesn't this statement simply mean that if we judge others, others will be judging us???
And what is wrong with others judging us by the LAW!!!!
HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA
Sorry, the pure CYA and hubris amongst the LEFTY MINDED never ceases to amaze me!!!
How about Judge OTHERS SO THAT THEY WILL JUDGE ME, waking my sorry @ss up to those things I ignore about myself!!!!!
That's right, Judge OTHERS so Others will JUDGE US!!!!! This is healthy. THIS IS WHAT WE SHOULD DO!!
Interpreting the other direction just insures no one is going to say squat about anyone else so they can continue their preferred SIN!!!!!
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