Saturday, May 14, 2005

Special Ed on the War on Terror #1 Abu Nidal

Regular readers of this blog need no introduction to the cast of characters in the war on terror. Yet we do attract the mindless liberals whose lack of intelligence has reduced them to slogans. In fact I get more coverage from people who claim not read this blog then readers.

I will introduce a new series to the running specialties of this blog. We have the Electronic Bar where we discuss blog issues and introduce new bloggers to our small
community. We have Forgotten People of the Mideast for those mindless liberals who
suffer from Palestiniomania. This is the mental illness where fake indigenous people become cause celebre and real ones are ignored. There is the familiar Spanking the Recidivist . The constant humiliation of the blogospere's most ignorant and bigoted
blogger who claims to have an IQ 167. To the critics of that segment , I let a lot of
material go. I only post the most flagrant flubs ,lies and bigotry and there is plenty of material.

I try to use leftist sources whenever possible. Thus the leftist crybabies are given no wiggle room. The information for Abu Nidal Organization comes from the Council of Foreign Affairs.

http://ctrterrorism.org/groups/abunidal_print.html
http://library.nps.navy.mil/home/tgp/abu.htm the Navy's more concise version

" Abu Nidal ,which means father of our struggle in Arabic is the alias of Sabri al-Banna who was born in 1937 into a landowning family in British Ruled Palestine. During the 1948 Arab- Israeli War , bannock family fled ending up in the West Bank. In the 1950's , he joined the Arab Nationalist Ba'ath Party, and in 1967 he got involved with the PLO. Abu Nidal represented al- Fatah the dominant faction of the PLO, led by Yassir Arafat - in Sudan and later Iraq. He split with the PLO in 1974 after it proposed the creation of a National Authority in the West Bank and Gaza strip as a step towards Palestinian Statehood. Abu Nidal who continued to advocate
Israel's destruction, accused the PLO of selling out and set up his own organization,
the Fatah Revolutionary Council signifying that he saw his group as the true air to Arafat's Fatah movement."

".... Among the groups best known attacks

The 1994 assassination of senior Jordanian diplomat Naeb Imran Maaytah in Beirut

The January 1991 assassination of Abu Iyyad, The PLO's second in command after Arafat and another PLO official in Tunnis.

A September 1986 shooting at the Neve Shalom synagogue in Istanbul, Turkey that killed 22/

The December 1985 attempted hijacking of a Pan Am flight in Karachi Pakistan in which 22 people died.

The December 1985 attacks on the El Al counters in Rome and Vienna which 18 people were killed and 111 injured

The June 1982 attempt to assassinate Israeli ambassador Shlomo Argov in London which helped trigger Israel's invasion of London."

Has the Abu Nidal Organization received State Support
"Yes Iraq,Syria and Lybia have all harbored the group and given it training, logistical support and funding, often using the ANO as guns for hire . Abu Nidal began working with Iraqi intelligence while representing Fatah in Baghdad experts say. He formed his organization with Iraq's help and began by attacking the PLO and Syria. In 1983 Saddam Hussein expelled Abu Nidal and his group in an attempt to win US military support for Iraq's war with Iran. Once the war ended Iraq resumed its support for Abu Nidal.

After being expelled from Iraq the organization moved to Syria where it worked to undermine peace plans involving Jordan, PLO and Israel. In turn Syria expelled the ANO in 87, probably under US pressure to distance itself from terrorists at which point Lybia took it in. In 1999 in an attempt to rid itself of sanctions Lybia kicked out the ANO "

" It is now thought to be based in Iraq with cells in refugee camps in Lebanon. In 1999 Egypt and Lybia closed down the ANO offices in their countries."

The mystery of Abu Nidal's execution by Saddam is one of the areas most open to speculation.

From Laurie Mylroie The War against America pg 19

" The FRC became an instrument of Iraqi foreign policy.. In its first years ,the FRC's principal targets were Bagdad's Arab rivals. Only in the late 70's did Nidal begin to attack Israeli and Jewish targets. Like his mentors Abu Nidal is ruthless....

In 79 as Abu Nidal began to attack Jewish and Israeli targets,the FRC started to shift its focus from the Middle East to Western Europe where it established secret cells. The FRC controlled money for Scholarships for Palestinian students to attend schools in Europe. In return the students agreed to be sleepers for the organization. That is they would work for the FRC ,but they would not act immediately . They would establish themselves abroad . And when their services were needed, perhaps years later they would support whatever operation the FRC wanted to undertake".

This next part is confusing . El Sayeed Nossair was linked to the WTC 93 attack. The Mahmud Atta that is being discussed is not Mohammed Atta . Mahmud Atta is a Jordanian
member of FRC. If one needs more information Snopes has the full version. Journalists
get confused over this. My hunch is that some of the intelligence reports linking Mohamed Atta to Iraqi intelligence may refer to the Jordanian Mahmud Atta.If you are confused about two Attas you are in good company. The Australian,San Francisco Chronicle and Boston Globe all made the same mistake.

Http://snopes.com/rumors/ata.htm

" What is puzzling to us is why newspapers - much less the US authorities- should have been confused whether the two Attas were the same man ( especially since one was 14 years older....)

What we have here appears to be a case of mistaken identity. The mystery we can't solve is why the mistake was made in the first place."

Now when reading the next section Mahmood Atta is NOT Mohammed Atta.

Mylroie Page 20

" was there some link between Nossair and the FRC, or at least one of its members ? In April 1986 a Palestinian with US citizenship, along with two other Palestinians ,
both cousins attacked an Israeli bus on the West Bank . The driver was killed and a passenger seriously wounded. The two cousins were arrested but Mahmood Atta fled.

One of the two me arrested for the bus attack broke and confessed to Israeli authorities that Atta was a member of FRC. US investigators subsequently identified Atta as chief of Abu Nidal's operations in the US and Latin America.

Israeli and US authorities ,working together,monitored a meetin in April 1987 in Mexico City betwee Atta and four Palestinian - Americans from several Midwestern states. Atta instructed them on how to raise money in the US to be sent to Abu Nidal overseas and gave them a variety of other tasks. After the meeting Atta returned to Venezuela and the others to the Unites States.

Atta was seized in Venezuela and sent to the US to NY.He was to be extradite to Israel and he appealed the extradition order.On 08/31/90 a Court of Appeals rejected his final bid. The FRC warned of retaliation if he were extradited. Indeed five days before his 10/30/90 extradition the US State Dept issued a warning of a possible Abu Nidal attack in the Middle East.

Two days after Atta's extradition the FRC issued a statement denouncing the move claiming Atta was a political prisoner,while asserting that intl. Conventions prohibit the extradition of political prisoners. The FRC again threatened retaliation warning that it would hold the US responsible for Atta's safety.

Fourdays later Nossair shot Kahane. Among Nossairs possessions was found a list of five Jewish names scrawled in his address book.....Investigators concluded it was a hit list"

The next part on page 21 becomes unbeleivable. The FBI allowed the cell to opperate because it was gleaning information. However the daughter of a suspect was honor killed to prevent her from talking.The incedent was wiretapped by the FBI yet the other members of the cells were picked up only after WTC93 and it became too dangerous to have terrorists on the loose in the USA.

Mylroie explains that circumstantial evidence is often examined . Yet the FBI did not pursue the links between Mahmud Atta and the Kahane killing. The dominant theory at the time was El Sayeed Nossair. Yet as Mylroie pointed out the cast of characters
from WTC93 form their plot in the aftermath of the Kahane Killing.

Mylroie makes the case that Baghdad was involved in chapter 3. She shows the phone records of the conspirator Muhammed Salameh made to Iraq. The records were extensive
and the plot picks up after the FBI drops Egyptian double agent Emad Salem. Salem discussed bombing plots with Nossair in prison. This is the summation of the chapter.

" The origins of the WTC bombing 93 would thus seem to lie with El Sayeed Nossair in Attica in May and June of 92 and in that conspiracy that arose with Emad Salem's help. Baghdad seems to have learned of the plot through Salameh's call to his Uncle.And Baghdad apparently decided to help out. Abdul Rahmin Yasin was sent to Jordan to pick up a passport at the US embassy there.From the speed of its reaction it would seem that Iraqi intelligence was already planning such an operation. But the specific means to carry it out fell into their laps through Salameh's calls to his uncle."

Part two in the top. Bodansky on the mysterious Killing of Abu Nidal.

15 comments:

Always On Watch said...

I have no proof, of course, but I think that your last sentence is correct. I know that I have a terrible time keeping the names straight, in spite of my foreign-language. It's as if my brain can hold only so many of these compound names, and, to top it all off, these shape-shifters have aliases.
Anyway, and good riddance, Abu Nidal is dead now. But his mission has been picked up by others, and intelligence experts don't know the restructure. There is no end to the hatred these terrorists harbor, is there? They thrive on it.

beakerkin said...

Always on the Watch I post in stages. There is much confusion over Mahmud Atta and Mohammed Atta.
Even regular media got confused as the names are close.

Terrorists use slight variations of the spelling of their names to confuse authorities . El Sayeed Nossair the killer of Kahane had three drivers licences with three
spelling Variations.

I will have to include the Snopes
bit as apparently this is not common Knowledge.

Mr. Beamish the Instablepundit said...

Google "Nazi Banna"

(put your seatbelt on first)

beakerkin said...

Mr Beamish

That is an eye opener and that would explain the Muslim Brotherhood. The Muslim brotherhood
was the precursor to Al Queda . The
influence of the Nazi party on the Muslim Brotherhood is facinating.

There is some question as to what the Baath party of Abu Nidal is.
There are some that place it as a cross between Nazi and Communist. Others describe them as Nationalists. That would make an excellent blog.

I don't think that Sabri Al Banna could be related to Hossan Al Banna
but wackier things have occured.

Warren said...

Essentially, any name you hear that begins with Abu, is not a real name.

Abu, means "father of", and is the common way a nickname is prefixed.

It can be used as praise or ridicule. So Abu Nidal becomes the father of revolution and Abu Ali is the father of thieves, (see, Ali Baba and the 40 thieves).

Since the Arabic languages use a non-Roman script, there is no standardized English spelling and the different dialects allow, (Qwat), to be pronounced as, Cue eight, Ku wait, Cue wat, Coo wait, all being acceptable within their respective dialects.

Add to all of that, intentional disinformation, and you can see where the problem is.

Beak, do you remember a month or so ago when a supposed muslim accused you of lying? (I think it was you).

I addressed him as, "Abu Gar'bi", (= father of garbage or, at least, that's the way one translation gives it).

beakerkin said...

Warren I remember that was on Jason's blog . The guy spoke about dogs and the great caravan of Islam. If I remember correctly one of us leveled the guy. His tittle was very very very proud Muslim.

Abu Nidal is a stage name for Sabri Al Banna . The person that was a key founder of the Muslim brotherhood was Hossan Al Banna.
The tie may not be as odd as it appears. Abu Nidal was from Jaffa and the people there were Egyptian Arabs labeled as Palestinians. It is a longshot but not doubful .

The two Attas being confused is more amazing .

Jason_Pappas said...

Ah, yes. Abu Nidal was just one of the many pieces of evidence that Saddam was a supporter of terrorism. But the leftists don't care about evidence. They think a response to 9/11 should have been like a response to a domestic crime: arrest bin Laden and call it quits.

Saddam had a role in a host of terrorist ventures.

Always On Watch said...

warren,
Points well taken about the difficulty with Arabic. I read a bit about similar linguistic problems in Raphael Patai's book, The Arab Mind.

So, aspiring Presidential assassin Ahmed Abu Ali = Ahmed Son of Thieves. The name fits, no doubt, in many respects, too numerous to delineate here.

jason,
Ignoring the evidence is inherent in leftism. Leftists scream, "Show me the evidence!" then ignore it when presented, thus evincing multiple fallacies in logic.

beakerkin said...

One of the most mysterious sidebars is why Saddam killed Abu Nidal. Perhaps at the trial the truth will emerge. I will post Bodansky version.

There are also connections of Arafat and Hamas to the early part
of the current Iraq war. That is the subject for another post.

Jason_Pappas said...

By the way, I agree with "always on watch." I highly recommend, Raphael Patai's book, The Arab Mind. Several decades ago, before the Edward Said propaganda, Patai's book was standard reading for students of the Middle East includeing members of the State Department before it became PC. Patai studied Arab culture for over 40 years. You can learn so much from his book.

For example, I wasn't at all surprised at Baghdad Bob's obvious posturing - the Arabs loved it, even knowing it was mere posturing. Nor is it too surprising that Saddam's scientists would lie to him about WMD programs. Patai has similar examples where lying ... I mean posturing ... is accepted and expected.

Patai has loads of details that help you decode and explain some of the mindset of the Arab culture.

I could give other examples but read the book. It's in many libraries - even the New York Public Library system.

beakerkin said...

Jason

I am not so certain that the scientist were lying about WMD. Bodansky writes that they were moved to Syria. Syria has had Chemical weapons since the 70's.

Egypt has had them at least from the 60's . According to author John Loftus Egypt used them in the Yemen Civil war.There is speculation as to the Israeli nuclear program being a response to
the chemical weapons program of Egypt.

Jason_Pappas said...

I don't disagree with that, beak. There were more than one type of WMD that we were rightfully worried about. And in each type of WMD, there were sub-programs. Plus, we did find WMDs - not in the quantities we expected - but they were dangerous amounts in any case.

I suspect some WMDs were shipped out - perhaps most.

But there were also some WMD programs that Saddam thought he still had but his scientists were lying to him and he wanted to believe them. Also, Saddam wanted to posture to gain regional respect from the Arabs and keep the Iranians worried.

However, as I said to the leftists I know, I don't care if Saddam was in essense waving an unload gun. Given his history and intensions, you have to take him out.

It's too bad we wasted all the effort with the UN dog & pony show before the Iraq War. It only gave the critics something to harp about. Not that they wouldn't find something else to complain about. Ah, screw 'em. They don't care about honest debate anyway.

Always On Watch said...

According to Mahdi Obeidi, author of "The Bomb in My Garden," [I persoanlly went to hear him speak last March at the local public library] with the snap of his fingers Saddam could have ordered the production of WMD's. Obeidi also pointed out that many nuclear scientists are "on the loose," as are the materials. One chilling comment from him: "Your [meaning the borders of the United States] borders are porous." He fears a nuclear event in the continental United States.

Robert Lindsay said...

Oh boy, a clown festival! Hahaha. Recidivist and Simon are 2 fine fellows. I don't know whether they are anti-Semites or not. I am sure Recidivist is not. Simon is a good friend of mine actually, and Simon, well, he refuses to use the word anti-Semite or anti-Semitic. He is always getting on my case for using that word.

Now, onto the fun. Oh, where do we start? Nossair was a good man, and killing the pig Kahane was a great act. I supported that killing 100%! What in the HELL does Nazi Banna (links about the connection between the Nazis and the Muslim Brotherhood) have to do with Abu Nidal, for Chrissake?

The Muslim brotherhood was the precursor to Al Queda

That's not precisely true but it has elements of truth in it. AQ is a product of the marriage of MB members fleeing Syria and Egypt after crackdowns in their countries to Saudi Arabia, where they fell in with the Wahhabis. It's Saudi Wahhabis plus mostly Egyptian and Syrian MB members who fled to Arabia. Mix well and stir.

There is some question as to what the Baath party of Abu Nidal is.

Look man if you are going to write your Jewish Zionist subversive neocon garbage, and least source it right, ok? FYI, there is no such thing as "the Baath party of Abu Nidal". Ok? Nor was it a "cross between Nazism and Communism" though I am not an expert on the ANO. The organization was called the Abu Nidal Organization and it had no organic relations with any Baath Parties. Surely, the ANO were very very very hardline Arab nationalists, I assure you of that.

I don't think that Sabri Al Banna could be related to Hossan Al Banna

Hahahaha! I don't think so either! Crack those books, boy.

Post about Arab Abu names is correct.

Abu Nidal is a stage name for Sabri Al Banna.

Huh? Stage name? Come on man. The guy was not an actor! The phrase to use is "nom de guerre".

The person that was a key founder of the Muslim brotherhood was Hossan Al Banna.

Yepp.

Abu Nidal was from Jaffa and the people there were Egyptian Arabs labeled as Palestinians.

What????? What the Hell are you talking about?! For Chrissake man. Put that question to Walid Khalidi or even Dr. Yehoshua Porath at Hebrew University and see what they say? Porath is a Jew, just like you, and a Zionist, too. I'll be surprised if he doesn't laugh in your face. The people of Jaffa were Palestinians, you Zionist Jew lying clown.

It is a longshot but not doubful

Lissen up ignoramus. It's about as doubtful as you changing your name to Xavier, converting to Catholicism, enrolling in a seminary to be a priest, and heading off to Rome to talk to the Pope! Listen closely. Hossan Al Banna was a very pious fundamentalist Muslim from Egypt, ok? Sabri Al Banna was an ORTHODOX CHRISTIAN Palestinian from Jaffa whose family were wealthy merchants and who owned 10% of the land in Palestine. They lost all that land. That's why Abu Nidal turned into such a homicidal maniac, ok? No, they are clearly NOT related.

While you are at it, you can now go edit all of these many sections of your blog, dealing with Abu Nidal, radical MUSLIM terrorist maniac psycho. He was a radical CHRISTIAN terrorist maniac psycho, ok? Now, what does that do to your Muslim = terrorist meme you are lamely constructing here? Smash it to bits?

Ah, yes. Abu Nidal was just one of the many pieces of evidence that Saddam was a supporter of terrorism.

LOL! And he hadn't done anything since 1994, either. And what did he ever do against the United States? Not the JEWnited States that we live in now - I mean the *real country* we used to have before Beakerkin and his dual loyalist traitor crowd infiltrated our government and subverted it for their shitty little country.

I read a bit about similar linguistic problems in Raphael Patai's book, The Arab Mind.

Raphael Patai is a dirty Zionist Jew Israeli dog, but the book is actually quite good.

One of the most mysterious sidebars is why Saddam killed Abu Nidal.

I don't know, maybe to get him out of Saddam's hair, so the JEWnited States could not use his presence in Iraq as an excuse for the Judeo-American War on Iraq?

I will post Bodansky version.

LOL!! That filthy lying dog? LOL, I will post the dirty lying Israeli Jewish piece of dogshit version.

There are also connections of Arafat and Hamas to the early part
of the current Iraq war.


Yeah they helped fight against US forces in March and April 2003. Next question. I have details if you wish.

Re: Arabs lie. Yeah of course they lie, they are some of the biggest liars around, but then, hey, so are JEWS. Hahahahahaha! Maybe it is a regionalism? Wink.

Bodansky writes that they were moved to Syria.

Bwhahahahahaha! Let's all listen to the lying Israeli pig! LOL.

Syria has had Chemical weapons since the 70's.

This is a fact. Indeed, they have 100-200 VX gas-tipped Scud missiles, all aimed right at Israel. Haha! I hope if the Jewish neocons ever invade Syria, Syria lets every one of those suckers fly!

Egypt has had them at least from the 60's.

Fact.

According to author John Loftus Egypt used them in the Yemen Civil war.

No need to quote the lying Zionist Jew and ?former? Mossad agent Loftus. It's well-known.

There is speculation as to the Israeli nuclear program being a response to
the chemical weapons program of Egypt.


Bwahhahahahahaha! What's this, the latest Israeli lie? What a joke. Israel was working on that bomb in the 1950's. GMAB!

Plus, we did find WMDs - not in the quantities we expected - but they were dangerous amounts in any case.

You lying ignoramus nutcase reactionary. They didn't find a goddamn thing you lying bastard.

I suspect some WMDs were shipped out - perhaps most.

You would. I bet you also believe in the tooth fairy, huh?

According to Mahdi Obeidi, author of "The Bomb in My Garden," [I persoanlly went to hear him speak last March at the local public library] with the snap of his fingers Saddam could have ordered the production of WMD's.

Well tell you what. I know a fellow who was a former nuclear weapons scientist for Saddam. He and all the others contradict everything Obeidi says.

Obeidi also pointed out that many nuclear scientists are "on the loose,"

So? Is that illegal or what?

as are the materials.

Prove it! My friend worked in that program, and I assure you, the whole thing was taken down. Obeidi is an idiot.

beakerkin said...

Robert

The Recidivist , Simon Jones and yourself are pathological anti-semites. You lack the courage to
post on the top of the page.

Jones's work is posted on the virulently anti-semitic site Jewish tribal review.

Your post is an antisemitic diatribe. Kindly post it at the top
and I will be happy to kick your ass.

The Recidivist and Jones are cowards and liars. Nobody including
yourself has been censored for being an ignoramus.

1 Nossair commited a crime and Kahane who I do not support was an American Citizen.

2 Zawahiri and the Egyptian brotherhood are the precursor to Al Queda.

3There is no such thing as a Palestinian. Read the PLO charter
dumass.

4 Bodansky is a well respected writer and your dismissal of him as a source for being Israeli is part of your bigotry. He was a visiting Scholar at Johns Hopkins
and a congressional consultant,

5 Assad is not insane and if he launches those missles his country
will be atomized. This fact is also
conveniently ommited from the discussion of Israel's nuclear capability.

6 Loftus is an Irishman and never worked for the CIA. If you actualy read a book you would know he is one of the foremost intelligence authorities in the world and a democrat.

7 Israel had thee bombs in the 70
and now the number is 200. The exact date that Egypt and Syria acquired chemical weapons is unclear. Egypt may have had chemical weapons first.

As far as WMD chemical weapons were
most likely sent to Syria. If your sources are as accurate as your information on John Loftus it speaks vollumes.

Now run along to your Hitler youth meeting. FYI tell Jones to be a man
and comment on the top. We can use
a good ass kicking. Now kindly get a doctor to remove my boot from your ass.