Sunday, May 08, 2005

David Irving and Crank Dot Net

The previous discussion on this blog concerned David Irving. The Institue For Historical Review is listed on Crank Dot Net. Crank Dot Net lists notorious loons and crackpots on the web. Cranks are rated from Crank to illucid. Thus people who deny the Holocaust are listed as cranks by the webs leading source on cranks.

Rather then rely on Right Wing or Jewish sources I chose the BBC and World Socialist Web. Thus the standard cry from the left will not work in this case. Anyone who associates with this kind of revisionism is a crank.

http://www.wsws.org/articles/2000/apr2000/irvi-a12-prn.shtml
http://news.bbc.couk/1/hi/uk/612336.stm
There is an extensive list of articles I could also place from another left wing source as well the UK Gaurdian.

Justice Gray said of Irving " was a racist anti-semite,an active Holocaust denier who
associates with right wing extreemists." The Judge added " Irving for his own ideological reasons persistently and deliberately misrepresented and manipulated historical evidence . For the same reasons he has portrayed Hitler in an unwarrantedly favourable light, princippally in relation to his attitude and responsibility for the treatment of the Jews. " He also added that Irving had "treated the historical evidence in a manner that fell far short of the standard
to be expected of a conscientous historian "

Thus it comes as no surprise the the man with the 167 IQ and Irving both have the same favorite Joooo , Norman Finklestein. The fact that Finklestein's work has been compared to the Protocols of the Elders of Zion by the NY Times is revealing. The fact is the NY Times has never been Pro Israel in its coverage.

This question arose from my exposure of the Recididope who has an IQ of 167 from using a source directly linked to Irving . The Reporters notebook is linked to far left sources.The fact that he uses sources linked to Irving for his attacks on Zionism is not an accident. The new game that the far left plays is Holocaust minimization. The other game the left plays is that the Zionists stole the Holocaust.
This is a sick and deranged point that we see quite often . Most Israel critics steer far away from the Holocaust. Yet the man with the 167 IQ goes out of his way to
trample the memory of 6,000,000 dead.

His question of who stole the Holocaust becomes comedic. I have never seen Jews wear a yellow staras a protest. Yet during the AIDS crisis the ever present Pink Triangle
was every where. There is no known number of Homsexual victims of the Holocaust. It is true that about 15,000 were sent to Concentration camps. Yet the presence of the pink triangle from a group that may had a comparitivly low number and percentage killed makes the answer obvious.

13 comments:

bum from jersey said...

wait, wait, wait. i am confused (and it maybe because i was gone for sometime due to finals) but are you trying to argue that the left is anti-jew? if so, are you from britian or the us because if i had to decide which side was anti-jew it certainly wouldn't be the left. oh btw, i am the leading source of who is a crank on the internet until i say otherwise.


yeah...i don't have anything of substance to say today, i just wanted to comment (but i do stand by this comment).

beakerkin said...

Bum from Jersey

I hope your finals went well.

The leading authority on who is a Crank is Crank Dot Net. They have a whole web site dedicated to Cranks . They have 44 9-11 conpiracies alone. Sorry to let you in on that . I visit that site
for laughs and it is a great resource.

I am a Native NY and have a respect for the UK unlike the Recidivist who lives there. The left is decidedly anti - jewish and anti - Christian. Seriously go to a peace rally and listen for the term Zionist Media. In fact just listen and you will be surprised at what you hear.

I have never heard anti Jewish statements from Conservatives or in a church. I have heard plenty at peace rallies.

Warren said...

Bum from jersey,

To do this justice, I'd have to give you a history lesson that I have neither the time or inclination to do.

So in lieu of that:

The left, the far left is indeed anti-Jewish.

The Communists did everything in their power to get rid of any Jew that didn't toe the party line. It should be obvious that any religious Jew was persecuted and could not become a member of the Party.

Although people go to great extremes to place Communism and Socialism on opposite ends of that whole left right scale from Fascism and the Nazis, they are actually side by side.

Fascism is the bastard child of Marxism. Nazi is the German acronym for National Socialist German Workers Party.

To give some examples:

In Mein Kampf, Hitler said that National Socialism was a derivative of Marxism.

Goebbels, five days before the German invasion of the Soviet Union, wrote in his diary that "real socialism" would be established in that Russia after a Nazi victory, in place of Bolshevism and Czarism.

Rudolf Hess in his memoir Kommandant in Auschwitz, detailed how reports of the Soviet camp system were circulated to Nazi camp commandants as a model to emulate and an example to follow.

A passage from Marx:

"Let us consider the actual, worldly Jew -- not the Sabbath Jew, as Bauer does, but the everyday Jew. Let us not look for the secret of the Jew in his religion, but let us look for the secret of his religion in the real Jew. What is the secular basis of Judaism? Practical need, self-interest. What is the worldly religion of the Jew? Huckstering. What is his worldly God? Money. Very well then! Emancipation from huckstering and money, consequently from practical, real Jewry, would be the self-emancipation of our time.... We recognize in Jewry, therefore, a general present-time-oriented anti-social element, an element which through historical development -- to which in this harmful respect the Jews have zealously contributed -- has been brought to its present high level, at which it must necessarily dissolve itself. In the final analysis, the emancipation of the Jews is the emancipation of mankind from Jewry".

Nazism was nothing more than a racist form of Leftism. Nazism might be to the right of Communism, but if those are the marker posts then black might as well be white.

The left advocates collectivism and conservatives advocate individualism. Conservatives are not Rightists, Authoritarians are.

Warren said...

Just an addendum, regarding, "The Communists did everything in their power to get rid of any Jew that didn't toe the party line. It should be obvious that any religious Jew was persecuted and could not become a member of the Party."

Thus we see the beginnings of 'good Jew vrs bad Joo'

Mr. Beamish the Instablepundit said...

I would clarify and say the only difference between Nazi Germany and the Soviet Union's versions of international socialism ideas was that Germany was all for international socialism, as long as Germans were in charge of it.


"We are socialists, we are enemies of today's capitalistic economic system for the exploitation of the economically weak, with its unfair salaries, with its unseemly evaluation of a human being according to wealth and property instead of responsibility and performance, and we are all determined to destroy this system under all conditions." --Adolf Hitler (Speech of May 1, 1927. Quoted by Toland, 1976, p. 306)


Hitler was right-wing like oatmeal is a pizza topping.

Mr. Beamish the Instablepundit said...

Most Israel critics steer far away from the Holocaust. Yet the man with the 167 IQ goes out of his way to
trample the memory of 6,000,000 dead.

His question of who stole the Holocaust becomes comedic. I have never seen Jews wear a yellow staras a protest. Yet during the AIDS crisis the ever present Pink Triangle
was every where. There is no known number of Homsexual victims of the Holocaust. It is true that about 15,000 were sent to Concentration camps. Yet the presence of the pink triangle from a group that may had a comparitivly low number and percentage killed makes the answer obvious.


Maybe they're crying for Ernst Rohm and all the other flamers purged from the SA when Hitler got on his blond beast ubermensch homoerotic kick.

Yes, I said it. Hitler was queer.

beakerkin said...

Mr Beamish

You got me on this one because I am
aware of Rohm's proclivities and that of the SA. Still I chose to leave that part out but survivors
have sworn to me that many of the Brown shirts were gay.

I ducked this one as it is difficult to adress. I do not think that Gays bear a special responsibility for the Holocaust.
However when they try to proclaim special victim status the low numbers and story of Rohm become an issue.

Mr. Beamish the Instablepundit said...

Beak -

Rohm is but one fudgepacker in the original Nazi party hierarchy. There was also Rudolph Hess and, well, Adolf Hitler.

Check out this. Also peruse that site. You won't come away from that site comfortable with labeling the very historically left-wing Nazi Party as "right-wing." One of the greatest political slanders in history has been the ongoing effort by communists to call their fellow genocidalists "right-wing."

Lots of ammo there to shove back at the Leftzis.

Warren said...

Want to hear something funny?

I work with Ernst Roehm's great nephew. He always says "Yea, Ernst was a queer, but he was a tough queer!".

They were going to give him a gun and let him shoot himself but they were afraid that he would shoot one of them instead. So they shot him through the hole in his cell door. Hitler had him murdered because he saw Roehm as a potential threat if the Sturm Abteilung absorbed the smaller German Army, Ernst would have been its commander.

Supposedly, a lot of the upper echelons of the SA were homosexual.

beakerkin said...

Mr Beamish

I did notice the book the Pink Triangle but there is a whole website dedicated to debunking that book on Crank Dot Net.

The question of Rohm and the SA is very real . This comes into play when people like the Recidivist Proclaim Gays as special victims to denigrate Jews. There are researchers who can not find more then 500 gay victims. Even if his source is right 25,000 is a low number compared to 6,000,000.

Mr. Beamish the Instablepundit said...

What is the URL for Crank Dot Net?

The problem is not that so many homosexuals perished in Nazi death camps, as it is clearly demonstrable that many of those Nazis who were running those death death camps were themselves homosexuals. Rather that of the relatively small number of people rounded up as "homosexuals" and placed in labor camps in Nazi Germany, many weren't gay, but rather political opponents of Nazism.

The Holocaust was a "butch" gay leftist ideology inspired by gays (Nietzsche), preached by gays (Rohm, Hess, Goebbels), initiated by gays (Heydrich) and carried out by gays (Hitler, ad naseum). If you removed every gay man from the Nazi German leadership hierarchy, you'd be left with a handful of heterosexuals who had no power.

This is historical fact. To a great degree, when you call someone a Nazi, you're calling them a gay sadist.

beakerkin said...

Mr Beamish

Crank Dot Net is http://wwwcrank.net/

The book the Pink Triangle has largely been debunked. There is a long article there debunking the book at length.

The proclivities of Rohm and the SA were widely known. To have a discussion of Homosexuality and
the Holocaust one faces some obstacles .

Number 1 There are no Known figures
for gay victims of the Holocaust.
One reasearcher had difficulty finding 500 names but this may have been due to other reasons.

Number 2 There has to be some mention of Rohm and much of the SA.
There were plenty of Gays in the SA and they were dealt with in the
Night of the Long Knives. However
this is more akin to a mafia hit then persecution

Number 3 There is plenty of speculation about Hitler. We know every odd detail of his life including his love for Bowery Boys
Movies. Most of these facts are poorly studied and largely irrelevant to the evil that followed.

The exception to this is there is a book that claims Hitler had Syphilis and he was certainly drugged. This does not excuse or mitigate the evil the Nazis produced.

Mr. Beamish the Instablepundit said...

Thanks for the info on crank.net. It seems the main beef that the article on there purporting to be a refutation of "The Pink Swastika" is long on "right wing extremists distribute this book" and short on actually disproving the fact that the overwhelming bulk of the top of the Nazi leadership hierarchy, even after the Rohm Purge, was comprised of homosexuals.

Isn't it even just a little bit odd to hear an indictment of the Nazi regime's most murderous and culpable leadership being "debunked" as "extreme right-wing" propaganda?

Who's the crank? Historians, or homo-holocaust revisionists?