Monday, May 30, 2005

Another Mental Midget Robert Lindsay Arrives

The anti-semitic goons are getting desperate to try and divert the attention from the Ridicule we have subjected the Recididoofus. The latest knucle schraping Chimp is Robert Linsay who calls John Loftus a Jew and a Mossad agent. Loftus is an Irish Catholic but that would require basic litteracy. He also refers to the United States of America as the Jewnighted states of America.

His site has the category Jewish question a Nazi term used as a precursor to the Holocaust.

You can view his moronic comments in the May 14 post on Abu Nidal. He is hoping out dedicated readers will not find his filth and kick his tail.

Mr Lindsay show some courage and talk your trash at the top of the page. There are plenty of people waiting to smack you around. Bring all the antisemites you can find.
My readers love it when a genuine antisemite shows up. We take no prisoners and kick ass.

We have an opening for blog troll and you fit the bill. We treat people like you as entertainment.

One last thing if your friends are so brave and correct why do they ban comments. My site is more widely read then your three sites put together. At the time of the original Recididoofus spat I was an upstart. This site has grown exponentialy and any
one of my readers is capable of smaking any of you around with facts.

Jones and the Recididope ban my comments. Well if they were so brave you would think
they could stand a challenge. Guess not as they are not man enough to stand behind their material. We do that here each day . Courage and manliness is not the long suit of anti semites.

25 comments:

kajando said...

the issue is never the issue.
the revolution is the issue.
which is why you can never reason with a communist, socialist, or any other member of the left wing moonbat alliance

Robert Lindsay said...

My comment policy is here for all to see. I have a pretty restrictive policy, but critical commenters are allowed and do come. However, they must follow the rules. One of the rules is that your comments will be deleted if you accuse me of racism or anti-Semitism. That is because I am neither. Also you cannot insult me in any way.

However, your blog has no rules, invites trolls, and specifically invited Simon's friends. Therefore, I availed.

As far as how many hits you get, ask me if I give a flying F, you arrogant Jew. I don't care, and it's mostly unseemly to brag, although your tribe makes a whole culture out of bragging, which, incidentally, is a significant cause of anti-Semitism.

My artiles on Jews are here, here, a very popular and controversial one, here, I think here here here, a guest column by Wendy Campbell and Mark Green, highly controversial, and here, a guest column by Simon Jones, an interview with Mordecai Vanunu.

I think that is about it. There may be some other anti-Israeli comments sprinkled here and there throughout the blog, especially in the Terror War and Iraq War Reports.

Responses: Clearly, there is no point arguing with a stupid Jew who accuses you of anti-Semitism, since there is no defense against the charge, according to Jews. You are simply convicted, end of argument, convicted in their Jewish Kangaroo Court of Anti-Semitism, LOL.

Anyway, just for the Hell of it.

"The Jewish Question" is a reference to the traditional socialist and even Jewish phrase in dealing with the question of the Jews in modern society, their integration and assimilation and anti-Semitism. What it means is, "The Question of Jews in Modern Society". In fact, the term is widely used amongst Jews also. It comes from the Far Left, and is based on Marx's "On the Jewish Question". If you see the links there, many of them are Marxist analyses of the Jewish Question. We also use terms like "The Woman Question", "The Kurdish Question", "The Religion Question", "The Minorities Question", etc.

I am aware that the Nazis co-opted this phrase and used it to mean, how to deal with the question of Jews in society, which is what it always means. However, their solution was to throw them out or kill them all. Nevertheless, the term, "the Jewish question" is still widely used in Leftist and Marxist circles, and we don't have any relation to the Nazis' use of that phrase. Anyone can use any word or phrase they want. Just cuz Nazi scum used some phrase or word, does not mean it has to be abandoned, no matter what a bunch of totalitarian Jewish bullies like you think.

Yes, the US, in terms of Mideast foreign policy, is certainly the JEWnited States at the moment. In terms of media too. In fact, the Jewish neocons have basically infiltrated and taken over the entire foreign policy sector of the Executive Branch. Looks like Congress is Kosher Territory too. The US Congress is definitely one of Israel's Occupied Territories.

I have no idea if John Loftus is Jewish or not. I thought he was. He certainly is an extremely strong supporter of Israel and he does in fact have deep longstanding ties to the Israeli military and also Israeli intelligence (Mossad). However, he may be a Gentile. Does it matter? A Gentile Zionist kook is just as insane and evil as a Jewish one. That's my point, and that's why being Jewish in itself is not necessarily important.

Warren said...

What a long winded piece of tripe!

"Let us consider the actual, worldly Jew -- not the Sabbath Jew, as Bauer does, but the everyday Jew. Let us not look for the secret of the Jew in his religion, but let us look for the secret of his religion in the real Jew. What is the secular basis of Judaism? Practical need, self-interest. What is the worldly religion of the Jew? Huckstering. What is his worldly God? Money. Very well then! Emancipation from huckstering and money, consequently from practical, real Jewry, would be the self-emancipation of our time.... We recognize in Jewry, therefore, a general present-time-oriented anti-social element, an element which through historical development -- to which in this harmful respect the Jews have zealously contributed -- has been brought to its present high level, at which it must necessarily dissolve itself. In the final analysis, the emancipation of the Jews is the emancipation of mankind from Jewry".~~Karl Marx~~

Lindsey said:
""the Jewish question" is still widely used in Leftist and Marxist circles, and we don't have any relation to the Nazis' use of that phrase."

"True, it is a fixed idea with the French that the Rhine is their property, but to this arrogant demand the only reply worthy of the German nation is Arndt's: "Give back Alsace and Lorraine". For I am of the opinion, perhaps in contrast to many whose standpoint I share in other respects, that the reconquest of the German-speaking left bank of the Rhine is a matter of national honour, and that the Germanisation of a disloyal Holland and of Belgium is a political necessity for us. Shall we let the German nationality be completely suppressed in these countries, while the Slavs are rising ever more powerfully in the East?"

"This is our calling, that we shall become the templars of this Grail, gird the sword round our loins for its sake and stake our lives joyfully in the last, holy war which will be followed by the thousand-year reign of freedom."


You might think those quotes are from Hitler, you would be wrong! They are from Friedrich Engels, Karl Marx's co-author. You're all a bunch of Nazi's, Mr Lindsey. The only difference is your armband is red!

Robert Lindsay said:
"One of the rules is that your comments will be deleted if you accuse me of racism or anti-Semitism. That is because I am neither. Also you cannot insult me in any way."

LOL!
To paraphrase Mr Lindsey: 'Jew this, Jew that, I didn't know if he was a Jew or not but he acted like one. I'm not an anti-Semite you arrogant Jew, Jew braggart, its all your fault. It doesn't really matter if he's a Jew or not because he acts like a Jew.'

Oh please, I'm laughing so hard my sides hurt. I've never seen so much denial all in one place. I know its not nice to laugh at the afflicted But this is just too much.

Are you going to resort to the lame excuse that you're not anti-Semitic because you don't hate Arabs? Anti-Semitism has always been used as a term that means anti-Jewish and never been used as a term meaning anti-Arab. That peice of rationalization has firmly been disproven time and again.

Your comments are an insult to my sanity and intelligence.

And BTW, I'm going to save your post in case you have second thoughts and delete it.

beakerkin said...

Mr Lindsay

Thamk you for proving my point about the basic stupidity of anti-semites. You are frothing with Anti- Semitism and stupid enough to
spout it in the open.

John Loftus is one of many authors
who have answered my questions. Only a moron assumes someone is a
jooooooo because they support Israel. Loftus is an American patriot. That is more then I can say say for you.

Let us I identify the Joooos who comment here. Esther is a Jew but too much of a lady to beat you around. Pam is a stunning woman and
consider yourself lucky she has not seen your garbage. Felis is also a Jew but is gentlemamly and all have major sites.

Warren, Kajando, Big Bubba, Jason
Always on the Watch , Always Sourced , Neptune, Farmer John are not Jews but will use you as target practice.

Courage is a quality you lack as I
take on even the most personal of attacks. I may decide to link in Bad Eagle and let Native Americans
see your kind up close.

If I were you (not likely as I have a brain) I would run and head for whatever cave or outhouse you call home.

Always On Watch said...

I couldn't believe my eyes when I read this one!

http://www.wnd.com/news/article.asp?ARTICLE_ID=44501 :

'Mexican Nazis' in L.A.
Geo-political analyst decries anti-Semitic Hispanic radicals
Posted: May 28, 2005
1:00 a.m. Eastern

The anti-American, anti-Jewish rhetoric coming from the Hispanic separatist movement in the southwest U.S. threatens to spark a second civil war, says geopolitical analysts Jack Wheeler. In a column on his intelligence website, To the Point, Wheeler covers the implication of a recent rally in Baldwin Park, Calif.... "The rally was met by a far larger, violent counter-demonstration led by an organization of Mexican Nazis who call themselves Reconquistas," writes Wheeler. "These are people who want to 'reconquer' the entire American Southwest ceded to the U.S. in 1848 and have it become part of Mexico again. What makes them Nazis is their pathological anti-Semitism. Their hatred for America is equaled only by their hatred of Jews." Continues Wheeler: "One of them yelled at a television cameraman at the Baldwin Park fracas: 'Too bad Osama Bin Laden didn't drop a hydrogen bomb on that Jewish s--thole town Manhattan.'"...

beakerkin said...

Always on the Watch

If you look up the subject CrytoJews many of these idiots are in for a surprise. Jews were among
the original spanish settlers of Mexico. They were conversos and it is probable that most of them have Jewish blood.

Esther said...

Boy, Beak, you weren't kidding, were you... A real unapologetic (tho in denial for some reason, not sure why) Jew hater.

Mr. Lindsay, look at your comment. If that's not Jew-hating venom, what is? Does talk like that really pass as civil discourse when used in your neighborhood? If so, please tell us where that neighborhood is. I will be sure not to pass through it without a police escort.

beakerkin said...

Esther

The funny part is he swears this is rational dicourse. As I told you
Warren Kicks tail. 147 should consider himself lucky Pam did not see this as she is tough.

Always On Watch said...

Beak,
Thank you for reminding me of the conversos. I'd forgotten that little gem.

Robert Lindsay said...

What a long winded piece of tripe!

Yes Marx is pretty hard to understand but he was one smart Jew, lemme tell ya. Anyway, ppl like me with AN IQ OF 147 can pretty much handle him, though even I have a hard time sometimes.

You might think those quotes are from Hitler, you would be wrong! They are from Friedrich Engels, Karl Marx's co-author. You're all a bunch of Nazi's, Mr Lindsey. The only difference is your armband is red!

Wow, where do I start? So it turns out that Mr. Engels was a German nationalist, as were so many Germans in that period. Indeed, the majority of the population held such views, strongly. German nationalism and iddedentism has nothing necessarily to do with Nazism, though Nazis also were German nationalists and irridentists. For instance, the German nationalism and irridentism of WW1 was harldy anti-Semitic at all. In fact, many German Jews fought for Germany in WW1, and fought very bravely. Many Jews in the Diaspora supported Germany in WW1, including big Jewish bankers like Warburg, the founder of the Federal Reserve.

No reputable political scientist would think that that sentence links Engels with Nazism. In fact, Nazis and Communists were total enemies. Hitlers whole project was against Judeo-Bolshevism and he killed Leftists like he killed Jews.




To paraphrase Mr Lindsey: 'Jew this, Jew that, I didn't know if he was a Jew or not but he acted like one. I'm not an anti-Semite you arrogant Jew, Jew braggart, its all your fault. It doesn't really matter if he's a Jew or not because he acts like a Jew.'

I never said Jew this and Jew that. I do not use "Jew" as an adjective, because that is anti-Semitic and hurtful to Jews. I never said Loftus "acted like a Jew". I said he acted like a Zionist, which he is. He is in fact a very passionate Zionist. Most very passionate Zionists are Jewish, but not all of them. I don't know if Loftus "acts like a Jew" or not. Speaking of stereotypical Jewish traits, he does not act like a Jew.

Arrogant Jew is a comment towards beakerkin, who is in fact a stereotypical arrogant Jew. Arrogance is a deeply-ingrained trait of Jewish culture and is a major cause of anti-Semitism.

I never called beakerkin a "Jew braggart", as I do not use that term. He is a sterotypical Jewish braggart though and this is a cause of anti-Semitism.

I never said "it's all your fault".


Are you going to resort to the lame excuse that you're not anti-Semitic because you don't hate Arabs? Anti-Semitism has always been used as a term that means anti-Jewish and never been used as a term meaning anti-Arab. That peice of rationalization has firmly been disproven time and again.

No that is dumb.

I am critical-Semitic but not anti-Semitic cuz I don't hate Jews per se as a group, advocate their harm as a group, or harm them as a group.

Mr. Lindsay, look at your comment. If that's not Jew-hating venom, what is?

I don't see any "Jew-hating venom" in what I wrote. It's not Jew-hating to criticize Jews for behaviors they engage in, such as Zionism and the stereotypical behaviors of culture. However, it is Jew-hating to attack Jews simply for being Jews. We can critique or attack Jewish behaviors all we want, that's not racism. My basic point is that Jews should assimilate. They should be humanistic Jews, not tribalistic Jews. I have no problem with humanistic Jews, but I don't like tribalistic Jewish behavior much. Jews need to be humans first and Jews second, not the other way around. That's the cause of anti-Semitism right there, Jewish tribalism. The cure for anti-Semitism is assimilation.

Does talk like that really pass as civil discourse when used in your neighborhood? If so, please tell us where that neighborhood is.

Well, ppl don't talk like that around here, but why should I be "civil". You haven't been civil to me, so why should I be with you? Typical Jewish tribal double-standards. You get to be shitty to me, but if I'm shitty back, I am "uncivil".

Robert Lindsay said...

It's true, the Hispanics referenced in that piece are notorious anti-Semites. They are more within the tradition of Catholic anti-semitism versus Nazi anti-Semitism. Nazi anti-Semitism is racial anti-Semitism, not Catholic A-S. Pls get your A-S's straight. As far as a majority of US Hispanics being converso crypto-Jews I find that really hard to believe. Some of them are, though. I had a Spanish teacher who thought he had some Jewish blood.

Esther said...

Jews need to be humans first and Jews second, not the other way around. That's the cause of anti-Semitism

Actually, ignorance is probably the biggest reason for anti-Semitism. Kind of ironic, since you have such a high IQ.

beakerkin said...

Esther

Robert Linday does not have an IQ of that number and neither does the Recidivist. People who do have numbers in that range including myself do not go around telling people what their scores were.

Warren and I regularly correspond with Dr David Yeagley. He doesn't post his IQ or brag about his acheivements. Among the numerous authors I correspond with David Horowitz, John Loftus, Julius Lester, Dr Monica Crowley, Richard Poe , Stephen Schwartz none has ever posted an IQ score.

The reason that 167 and 147 post their numbers is that they are routinely called ignorant. They are
urban red rednecks who display their lack of learning each and every day.

Richard Poe looked at 167's blog and laughed . The blog is unintelligble.

Robert Lindsay said...

Robert Linday does not have an IQ of that number and neither does the Recidivist.

That's not my name, #1. #2, at age 15, that was indeed my IQ. I know because I asked my high school counselor, Mr. Stafford, to show it to me. He showed it to me and I also saw a friend's, Craig, and his was the same. The # was 147 in 1973. I was also in the Honors program in high school, and that was only open if you had an IQ of 132 or more (top 2%). It may have gone down; who knows. The drugs may have taken their toll, LOL. However, I was tested by a neuropsychologist in 1988, and he said the score was "Very very very very high." He had been testing for 20 years and had tested over 600 people, and mine was in the top 20 or so. As far as Recid, I do not know.

People who do have numbers in that range including myself do not go around telling people what their scores were.

Take that theorem to a Logic Professor and see if it passes. Logical fallacy - unprovable and evidence suggests it is untrue.

The reason that 167 and 147 post their numbers is that they are routinely called ignorant.

Well it is certainly a nice comeback, eh?

They are urban red rednecks who display their lack of learning each and every day.

Actually, I live in a small town of 15,000 in the California mountains. And it is a redneck town, I assure you!

Actually, ignorance is probably the biggest reason for anti-Semitism. Kind of ironic, since you have such a high IQ.

Esther, that is simply a Jewish self-deception. Like ppl who always blame others for all their problems, the Jewish theory of A-S is simply a defense mechanism. It utilizes denial, projection, rationalization and probably some others. Kind of like the individual who is widely hated, yet insists that all these ppl hate him for absolutely no reason at all, or out of jealousy. The Jewish mystification of A-S is demonstrably false, and we can prove it.

However, it does have elements of truth. Sure, ignorance can play a role in A-S. Sure, Jews are at times picked on for no reason, or scapegoated, or are attacked for being different, or are the subject of envy and jealousy. Bigots also project their complexes onto Jews. However, it is also true that Jews play a role in A-S, and that A-S follows Jews like day follows night, and that A-S has had often the same complaints for 2000 years all ove the world. That right there suggests that there are constant factors in Jewish culture that lead to A-S. The other side of A-S is Jewish chauvinism. Until Jews start dealing with Jewish chauvinism, they will not have much luck reducing A-S.

beakerkin said...

Lindsay Loopy

Your IQ was never near that number
and people with IQ's in that range
do not need to quote numbers. The reason people like you and the Recididoofus bandy those numbers is you are called a moron daily.
In fact I understand you answer to
moron at home.

The question of if your town was a Redneck town before you got there
is open to debate. Real rednecks are patriotic a term that does not apply to you. You are a red redneck
a rather poor imitation of a bad model.

Your comments about Esther demonstrates your primitive and bigoted thinking. All Jooos do this
and typical Joooooish behavior.

How did they teach an eathworm to use the computer.

Warren said...

Well Mr Lindsay, Lets just say you have a comprehension problem.

Paraphrase does not mean, 'to quote'. I said "To paraphrase...". You will also note that quotations marks were not used.

If you meant to imply that I misunderstood your intentions, then we will have to chalk it up to your sloppy use of language. It seems that others here understood in in the same fashion as I. If they do not, I wish they would speak up!

Marx, is not hard to understand unless you think that unnecessary verbiage and inflammatory rhetoric is the equivalent of intellectual complexity.

I read, "The Communist Manifesto", when I was twelve. Having read the footnotes by Engels, I had no need to look up words like bourgeois and proletariat. I didn't find it difficult to understand at all.

Its a load of crap that appeals to the weak minded and ignorant. The same weak minded people that think they are intellectually superior.

Even if you didn't understand the point I made with the Engels quote, I'm sure others did.

Nazism is the child of Marxism.

Many of Engels and Marx's ideas were adopted by the National Socialists, (Nazis).

Your pitiful apologist attitude not withstanding, Engels, advocated the very dogma used by the Nazis.

Beak said: "People who do have numbers in that range...",

He should have added, unless they have an ego problem.

People with a high IQ, have no need to brag. Its evident.

beakerkin said...

Warren

I stand corrected but I doubt there
is an ego problem here. In the case of 167 and 147 they are trying to deflect daily stupidity remarks. They keep trying to convince themselves but run closed
blogs .

147 also loves to count Jooos at Harry's Place a popular UK blog. He is an industrial stregth idiot of epic proportions.

Esther said...

Beak, I don't think Mr. Lindsay was saying that about me specifically but rather addressing my answer, which I appreciate. I think it was a crock of baloney, but still. You like to blame the victim, they asked for it, blah blah blah? You seem oblivious to the fact that the things you spout truly are classic canards/cliches, things known as being anti-Semitic.

I'm curious if you've had any positive experiences (in real life, not on the net) with people who are Jewish?

Robert Lindsay said...

Nazism is the child of Marxism.

Virtually no reputable political scientists, and zero of the major theorists of fascism and Nazism concur with this new theory, which is just some Extreme Rightwing theory that showed up lately and is ridiculed by all reputable scholars of Marxism, fascism and Nazism. It's just rightwing dogma and nonsense, IOW, it's not political science.

Many of Engels and Marx's ideas were adopted by the National Socialists, (Nazis).

This is simply not the case at all, otherwise, why was the whole raison de etre of Nazism's existence to be in extreme opposition to, and even to advocate the total destruction of, Judeo-Bolshevism? The Nazis were all about extreme hatred of the Left, Communism, Marxism, Socialism and liberalism. After a while they declared all out homicidal war on all of these groups, along with Jews. Their basic complaint against Jews was that they were a bunch of Commies.

The Nazis killed liberals and Leftists with the same gusto that they killed Jews. The name "National Socialists" was chosen by the German fascists in order to co-opt and destroy the socialist movement in Germany, which had tremendous support with the working classes. Fascists call themselves anything they want, they are chameleons, they call themselves this, that, or anything at all. Usually it is all just part of the fascist con. There was a Nazi Left for a while, but in 1933, Hitler wiped them all out in the Night of the Long Knives, which he had been plotting all along.

Your pitiful apologist attitude not withstanding, Engels, advocated the very dogma used by the Nazis.

As I said, this "theory" is ridiculed by all reputable scholars of Marxism and fascism. It is just ultraright dogma from reactionary ideologues, it's not political science.

Both systems were totalitarian police states and both killed people, but the similarity basically ends there.

Robert Lindsay said...

You like to blame the victim, they asked for it, blah blah blah?

I won't go that far, but actions do have consequences, behaviors do cause reactions, it takes 2 to tango and it takes 2 hands to clap. The Jews won't recognize their role in this mess, hence it goes on and Jews suffer, are harassed, killed, etc. It's really tragic. I think most of the Jews targeted by anti-Semitism in the past 200 years were pretty much innocent of anything. The anti-Semitic reactions aren't necessarily justified, but you can see why the Jews understandably pissed ppl off.

You seem oblivious to the fact that the things you spout truly are classic canards/cliches, things known as being anti-Semitic.

Of course I am aware of that. Jews have decided that almost all A-S critique of Jews is based on lies, canards and cliches. They have published a huge volume of books, articles, etc. to prove their case. In reality, this whole enterprise has failed because it is fraudulent. It's just Jews trying to shut up their critics. Many of the classic anti-Semitic complaints, including the so-called canards, indeed have a basis in fact, and that is provable, IMO. Just cuz Jews say something is a canard, a cliche or a lie does not mean it is so.

I'm curious if you've had any positive experiences (in real life, not on the net) with people who are Jewish?

Sure. Actually, the vast majority of my experiences with Jews in RL were positive, and continue to be. I have had some isolated negative experiences with Jews, and one Jewish friend ripped me off (and ripped all of his other friends too - cocaine abuser). I don't know many anymore but there is one in town I know well (He's one of the most honest businessmen in town - a sad statement!), and I now know a medical assistant at the doctor's who is a Hindu Jew. I just went to a Jewish seder at my church that the local Jewish community put on; it was a real blast.

Actually, I have probably had a greater percentage of positive experiences with Jews than with nonJews (just guessing). That said, there is one Jew in town who I utterly despise. He is a classical tribal stereotypical Jew and I really do hate his guts. I almost never see him though (haven't seen him in maybe 2 years). My experiences with Jews in R/L have been maybe 95%+ positive, I don't know. Actually, 3 Jewish friends of my family are some of the coolest ppl I have ever met. I mean, I could give em $100,000 to hold and trust them totally. Totally outside the stereotype.

My experiences on the Net, of course, have been overwhelmingly negative. It's on the Net that I started getting critical-Semitic.

beakerkin said...

More blather from the dumbass.

Lets see Jews shouldn't have been persecuted but they pissed people off. If this were a reason to kill
people you would have been dead ages ago.

Lets follow this one stereotypes are valid only when Joooos are concerned. The books that jooooos publish refuting anti-semitism are
invalid because all Jews are liars.
You are clearly in need of medication or more drugs.

The line and logic about your interaction with Jews is standard rationalization from a bigot 101.
I can't be a bigot I went to a seder at a Church. You are a bigot and a moron,case closed.

Your reactions on the net from Jews is due to your stereotyping and your stupidity. I am not inclined to coddle or play nice with your kind Communist appologists or anti-semites.

Just an aside to point out. I have zero need to censor you or any other moron. I am confident in my material that I say bring it on. My confidence is not matched by Jones , the Recididoofus and yourself. Kindly do not tell me about courage as you and your friends are cowards. You talk about freedom but fail to practice it on your own blogs.

Warren said...

147, I don't care what Marxist historians and revisionist have to say about Marxism. The evidence is there for all to see.

Yes, Hitler turned on the Communists, as he did every other faction or person which threatened his power. So did Stalin, what do you think happened to the Trotskites or during the different puschts.

Communists in the USA supported Hitler until he invaded Russia.

There is no right wing/left wing scale as you would like to imagine. Both, left/right occupy a position on the same end of the scale. If Nazis and Commies hold positions on different ends of your scale, then black might as well be white.

"Revolution is certainly the most authoritarian thing there is; it is the act whereby one part of the population imposes its will upon the other part by means of rifles, bayonets and cannon" (Friedrich Engels -- from his controversy with the Anarchists).


The theoretical convolutions required for your separation of Communism from fascism and Nazism are nonsensical.

Hitler was a socialist rather than a conservative and Mussolini was a prominent Marxist theoretician. Stalin had been a willing ally of Hitler as long as Hitler wanted him and Hitler's most unrelenting enemy was, arch-Conservative, Winston Churchill.

In 1944, Ludwig von Mises wrote: "The Nazis have not only imitated the Bolshevist tactics of seizing power. They have copied much more. They have imported from Russia the one-party system and the privileged role of this party and its members in public life; the paramount position of the secret police; the organization of affiliated parties abroad which are employed in fighting their domestic governments and in sabotage and espionage, assisted by public funds and the protection of the diplomatic and consular service; the administrative execution and imprisonment of political adversaries; concentration camps; the punishment inflicted on the families of exiles; the methods of propaganda. They have borrowed from the Marxians even such absurdities as the mode of address, party comrade (Parteigenosse), derived from the Marxian comrade (Genosse), and the use of a military terminology for all items of civil and economic life. The question is not in which respects both systems are alike but in which they differ..."

F. A. Hayek's "The Road to Serfdom", deals with the contradictions of your absurd viewpoint. He pointed out that Nazism was not an aberrant rightwing perversion growing out of the "contradictions" of capitalism. Instead, the Nazi movement had developed out of the "enlightened" and "progressive" socialist and collectivist ideas of Communism and Socialism.

Haven't you ever wondered about the revisionism that becomes necessary to support Communism? I doubt it, it becomes necessary for the ideologue to twist history and ignore fact to support a twisted world view.

So we can see, you are wrong again. Its not an "Extreme Rightwing theory that showed up lately", and there are no "reputable scholars of Marxism" except for people like David Horowitz and Ronald Radosh.

Esther said...

While I can't say I like what Mr. Lindsay is saying, he's doing it sort of calmly and dispassionately, which is how you argue things. If we're ruled by our emotions, we won't make sense. And by reacting as we are, we're only proving his points to him, and I don't want us doing that.

He is a classical tribal stereotypical Jew and I really do hate his guts.

I have a question about this guy you don't like. Why don't you like him? Cause he acts, in your opinion, in-your-face Jewish, or is there another reason? Because if there's another reason, that has nothing to do with his being Jewish, then the fact that you feel the need to mention that he's Jewish as you did above it why what you're saying is anti-Semitic. Does that make any sense?

Robert Lindsay said...

I have a question about this guy you don't like. Why don't you like him?

I pretty much hated him from the moment I met him. And apparently, he never liked me at all. His name is Reimer. I made a joke out of his name and said "What the Hell kind of name is that?" He got all freaked out about it I guess cuz he is a paranoid Jew. I tried to make friends with him over and over but he just treated me like crap. Basically, he won't even talk to me, won't respond if I say hi, etc. That's pretty unusual in this town. I mean, if someone says Hello, you DO NOT refuse to respond unless you are actively feuding with them or something. It's just not done here, this is small town rural America.

Cause he acts, in your opinion, in-your-face Jewish, or is there another reason?

To tell the truth, I totally hated this idiot for a long time, like years. After maybe 3 years of hating him, I finally started wondering if he was Jewish, cuz of the name. I looked it up and it's a Jewish name. Then all of a sudden all the pieces flew together. His outrageous arrogance, his extreme materialism and preoccupation with money and status, his outrageously superior, chauvinist and supremacist attitude, even his looks, dark, curly hair. He even looks Jewish. His behavior does represent a good conpendium of many anti-Semitic stereotypes, but he's also just about the biggest asshole in town, you don't have to be a Jew to be an asshole!

Because if there's another reason, that has nothing to do with his being Jewish, then the fact that you feel the need to mention that he's Jewish as you did above it why what you're saying is anti-Semitic. Does that make any sense?

It's not anti-Semitic. In addition to being Jewish (I assume - I can't even prove that yet) he is also just a total complete narcissistic, egotistical, condescending, smug, superior, status-obsessed piece of crap. A bunch of qualities that are NOT welcome in this small rural town. He needs to go move to Frisco or LA or New York, someplace we can get in touch with his nasty inner Jew and be considered totally normal.

I really don't care that he's Jewish, otherwise I would hate Joe and Dave too, they are Jews. His Jewishness just kind of explains why he acts the way that he does.

Robert Lindsay said...

Lets see Jews shouldn't have been persecuted but they pissed people off.

Right, pretty much. Although I am going to argue, outrageously, that the adult Jews killed during the Polish peasant pogroms often got what they deserved! As far as Hitler, I think he could have confiscated a lot of the excess property of the Jews, while still leaving them enough, or more than enough, to live on. The Jews that did not have excess property should have been left alone. It sounds nasty, but the German people WERE going to do something about that situation, and it would have been better than killing them.

The books that jooooos publish refuting anti-semitism are invalid because all Jews are liars.

Careful analysis will show that many of these arguments simply do not hold up. Jews aren't all liars, but due to ego-defensive reasons, most of them are going to want to blame others for anti-Semitism. It's just human nature.

I can't be a bigot I went to a seder at a Church.

I have known and dealt with many hardcore anti-Semites. I will venture to say that few, if any, of them, would be caught DEAD at ANY seder, ANYWHERE, ANYTIME. Trust me, I know these ppl. Even my Irish Catholic doctor thought it was bizarre I went to a seder. But anyway, there is no argument when one is accused of anti-Semitism. It's just Jewish Kangaroo Court in session.

Yes, Hitler turned on the Communists, as he did every other faction or person which threatened his power.

"Turned on" the Communists? You kook. You don't realize, the entire program of Nazism was all about anti-Communism, anti-socialism, anti-Leftism, anti-liberalism. That was an essential core Nazi philosophy, and it's so many ppl supported them in the beginning.

So did Stalin, what do you think happened to the Trotskites or during the different puschts.

HUH!? You don't get it. Nazism was, at it's core, a ferociously anti-Communist movement; that was one of its essential philosophies. Stalin was a Communist, not an anti-Communist.

There is no right wing/left wing scale as you would like to imagine.

Well I know what you mean, but there really is a scale. Anyway, folks who talk about "getting rid of the Left and the Right" "merging the Left and the Right" and "3rd way between Left and Right" are typically fascists. That talk makes me suspicious.

Both, left/right occupy a position on the same end of the scale.

Not really! At the far end, they tend to be fanatics, so both score high on that scale. Far Left and Far Right also tend to be totalitaritarian. Similarities essentially end there.

If Nazis and Commies hold positions on different ends of your scale, then black might as well be white.

They were, that's why the Nazis were the sworn, deadly enemies of the Communists and frankly vice versa.

"Revolution is certainly the most authoritarian thing there is; it is the act whereby one part of the population imposes its will upon the other part by means of rifles, bayonets and cannon" (Friedrich Engels -- from his controversy with the Anarchists).

Right, both Communism and fascism are authoritarian movements, hence the bitter dispute between Communists and Anarchists.

Hitler was a socialist rather than a conservative

I do not think that any reputable political scientist believes that. That's considered "kook theory". He named his party socialist to fool workers into voting for them. Hitler himself even mocked those who said the Nazis were socialists. In fact, Nazism was deeply conservative in most core ways, just like fascism always is.

Mussolini was a prominent Marxist theoretician.

Hahahahahahaha! Are you talking about pre-1920? It's true, I think Mussolini did start out on the Left 1910-1920, but that phase was pretty much over by 1920. Mussolini's fascist party had as its reason for being a war to death against Communism, socialism and liberalism.

Stalin had been a willing ally of Hitler as long as Hitler wanted him

I don't think any reputable historian believes that. Stalin was trying to buy time; he knew Hitler was an enemy but he would just as soon not have Hitler attack the Soviet Union. There is nothing wrong with keeping mad dogs at bay. It's doesn't mean you like them.

Hitler's most unrelenting enemy was, arch-Conservative, Winston Churchill.

For much of the 30's Churchill sympathized with Hitler and especially with Mussolini. After Hitler started getting aggressive, Churchill saw him as a threat. In general, conservatives supported Mussolini and even Hitler in the 30's.

Ludwig Von Mises is considered to be a complete kook as far as political theory goes, an extreme right libertarian whackjob. His economic theories, too, don't make any sense, but that doesn't mean they are not popular! None of the Chicago School's econ BS has held up, and they have repeatedly presented falsified theory that is simply not credible. The latest nonsense is that "anti-trust laws are not necessary" and "monopolies are not harmful". It's theory that is false on its face.

Frederick Hayek is considered to be like Mises, an extreme right libertarian nutcase. His "theories" about Nazism = socialism are considered laughable by almost all scholars of Nazism and fascism. He is a far right nutcase.

The notion that Mr. Horowitiz is any kind of a reputable scholar of anything, much less Communism, is extremely dubious. He is not regarded as a scholar of Communism by respectable political scientists. Ronald Radosh is pretty much of a nut, but I don't know how his scholarship holds up. Unfortunately, I can't tell you who the best scholars of Communism are, honestly!