We will continue with five questions for Farmer John. The Farmer is a philosopher by nature and it is said that love is best understood by poets and philosophers. I would also add the essence of Christianity is a life affirming love that is alien to members of the religion of submission or the acolytes of class genocide. I am an accountant by nature and love is one of those items not found on a speadsheet. Lets see I am giving 70% my significant other is giving her 80% but the IRS deducts 35% and the state takes another 25%. One does not hear of love songs and accountants.
While the subject of accountants and love is humorous Communists and love is like everything else about them evil. It takes a warped set of values to orphan your own kids for an idiotic cause like the Rosenbergs, Ducky's favorite Joooos. The essence of Communism is alienation and on the subject of love and humanity communists are clueless. They talk a great game in self righteous tones but Killing Fields, Gulags, Deliberate Starvationsand class genocide speak louder than absurd slogans. Communism is essentially theft and genocide with idiotic PR and the majority of its adherents are mental defectives like John Brown.
Regular readers are encouraged to answer these questions as well. The answers of genuine religious people like TMW, Rob Bayn and AOW will be appreciated.
1 Descibe the different types of love?
2 Is patriotism a type of love?
3 There is also a familial type of love that is well known to parents. Is this the ultimate example of a mature type of love.
4 Many societies do not have the same notion of romantic love. Marriages are created with an almost barter like system. Is romantic love as we understand it in our current culture a product of Western civ.
5 Do totalitarian governments have an anti love obsession. The mullahs of Iran spend a great amount of time ensuring young people have little or no contact. There was also the great Saudi Fire debacle where girls were sent back into a burning building until they got dressed properly or their parents recued them. Are totalitarians clueless about love and humanity.
6 Is a religion whose theme is submission compatable with love?
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Good questions, Beaker! And accountants and love do mix, how many married accountants do you know? A worse one is engineers and love! I know, I was married to one, and he could be quite romantic. Sometimes love isn't shown with flowery words and roses and chocolate. Instead it's getting up and going to a job because you love your spouse and children enough to sacrifice your own wants and desires for the good of the beloved! It's getting out and checking the gas and oil and tires of a vehicle your spouse is going to use at night because you are concerned. It's planting and caring for rose bushes everywhere you go so your wife will have roses more often! It is laying down your own life for someone elses good!
It is Ephesians 5:21, submitting to one another for the good of another!
It is an act of the will, it is not emotions it's a choice! It is voluntary, not forced. It keeps no accounts of wrong, but freely forgives. It is patient, kind, pure, noble, giving, it is all that is shining and good, it does not fail. But that is unconditional love, the no strings attatched, the no sacrifice too big, no task to small love!
There is submission and submission. Forced submission is degradation, slavery, and degenerate. Voluntary submission is a choice and can ennoble, inrich and bless.
I will take the voluntary kind, it is healthy!
Good morning, G*D bless and Maranatha!
tmw
ohhhhhhhhh, this is going to be schweeeeeeeeeeeeeet!
did you ever think of asking tmw the same questions from a christian perspective? i'm not studied up on the eros, agape and the rest - i only know when my heart meets my mind and it is nearly unexplainable.
Beak,
Accounting and love songs...How about
"One is the loneliest number that you ever knew..."
The Bible uses different words for love
agape - the unconditional love that G-d has for us and that we are encouraged to have for one another
philos - brotherly love, where we get the name Philadelphia
eros, sometimes pornea - erotic..pornographic
Elmer
You may have come up with an accounting love song. This is bookeeping simplicity in verse.
TMW
Accountants may be romantic in their private lives, but the art of accounting just isn't romantic.
EB-storge, the comfortable, "old shoe" type, elderly couples display this kind! The deep knowing and understanding.
tmw
Farmer
I find this amazing that this subject is harder to discuss than theology.
I would love to see Freedomnow or Mr Beamish tackle these questions.
not really, beak - true theology is born of love - think of the greatest commandment. philosophy appears to be an aspect of theology, though not fully. but this is a very tough subject. describing the sensory of love is not exactly like describing a smell or a sound.
hmmmmmmmmm...
Ahhh
But what does the acolyte of class genocide planned starvation and treason know about love or humanity. His creed is dedicated to the eradication of all those qualities that make us human. Social Justice is a code word for theft via Marx.
There is no humanity amongst the barbaric revolutionary bigoted couch potatoes of Marx.
if we all loved, there would be no ugliness. that much is simple. we would have NO need for social programs. there would be three and four generations living peacefully under one roof - and those would be only too happy to take care of a less fortunate neighbor.
farmer? a question:
is it easier to figure out what love ISN'T rather than what it IS?
Nanc
Do remember that there are those like the duck for whom love is a four letter word. Marxist are not human in any definition of the word and their actions speak louder than rhetoric.
beak? why would you imply that married love is a barter-type system? i've not had to trade anything to my spouse in my marriage. i give him everything i've got whether he wants it or not and likewise from him.
are you perhaps speaking about withholding something or another in order to get back at the other?
'splain yourself.
Love is a feeble little word to carry so great a burden!
Sometimes love is expressed by what it isn't, feelings come and go, but real love abides. All I can give is examples of what love my late and I shared. He showed love by acts and gifts of service. He did for me and I learned to tell him, "I love you." by acts and gifts of service! He used to say that physical love SHOULD be the culmination of and expression of the; spiritual bond, the emotional tie, and the choice(act of the will to choose love), the physical was merelly the tying together of emotions, spirit, will and body. Too often physical is the only expression involved, therefore it is temporary, and in the end never satisfies!
tmw
p.s. - i don't think western civilization invented any sort of love - it was love that created western civilization!
"...and to summarize from my perspective... love is the means of accounting for the Good. It's a single set of books in a double entry system that for most people, largely ignores (voluntarily or involuntarily) the good in that which causes pain."
Leave it to fj to find a way to combine accounting and love. Very impressive.
Now if you can find a way to include the IRS........
beak..I see that you brought up the topic that led to your post at my site.
That societies differ on the notion of romantic love.
Although I agree that different cultures might view love/marriage differently, I believe that when he gets down to the individuals there isn't much difference. Especially when dealing with young people.
History is replete with stories of young lovers defying the cultural and parental expectations for romantic love. I don't believe it is a product of Western civilization.
Nanc
In non Western Civ there is indeed a barter type of negotiation for marriage. As your marriage is one created in Western Civ of course there was no livestock or money exchanged in your marriage.
Ducky life isn't film and we could go into Pasternak for an attempt at love to thrive in spite of Marx. Flowery rhetoric should not be confused with class genocide and Gulags. Marx and love are not compatable.
as with G-d, farmer - for every blessing there is conversely a curse. i suppose this is where we should be well-versed in what our adversaries intend us?
Duck
Over the last hundred or so years arranged marriages in Western Civ are rare. They would tend to involve a matchmaker in a back water.
However, being that Marxists think they are god no doubt the evil far left will be trying to claim first nights rights for commies ala marriage of Figaro.
plucky? is everything about an obscure movie only a handful of people have seen or much less cared about? i will give you this - you are in a class by yourself. everything is a study done by a bunch of elitist snobs for you.
shrek - now there's a movie about LOVE!
farmer?
will love eventually evolve into what it SHOULD be?
Nanc-Because of the Fall in the Garden, love and everything else is devolving and degenerating. Only where G*D's Grace is welcome will there be love as the Creator intended!
tmw
AHA! tmw and farmer - you caught my trick question!
dayam, you two are good!
Love'll make you share french fries.
but what about fried okra, beamish?
Mr Beamish
Will you give the woman you love the last beer? This is easy for me to say as I do not drink. Northwind
would probably kill me to get the last Budwieser.
o.t. - who got the 40,000? if i'm figuring it correctly - it's farmer.
p.s. - i have somewhat challenged fern to do an interview on the subject matter. let's see if he's up to it.
Nanc,
Fried okra is what you cook when you want to tell a man born in Alabama from parents born of the South that you love him dearly. And if that's the case, you were thoughtful enough to cook some for yourself, and wouldn't dare expect him to share his. There are some things that just are that way. I suppose Yankee women feel the same way about diamonds.
Beak,
I'm not much of a drinker either, although I play one on the internet.
Love made me switch brands of cigarettes though.
AC - love and the IRS?
What's love got to do with it? - Tina Turner
I understand the Biblical submission to be mutual between a man and a wife.
still working on your divinity degree I see Mr. Feather...you wouldn't know bunco from a crap game
try again lame *ss
FJ,
No no, I used to smoke Kamel Red Lights (in the nifty orange pack) but my love smokes Camel Lights, so now we smoke from the same carton.
I still occasionally smoke my beloved Kamel Red Lights though, when I want to spend the extra 50 cents for a pack.
And now for the 64 hunnert doller question:
What brand does Nanc smoke?
the New Testament say a man is to love his wife more than himself and be willing to lay down his life as Christ did
how much more loving can that be Cardinal Duhkkky?
save it for the sermon on the mount there Duhkkky...even then you don't know jack
Heh.
I remember staying in a hotel while a Promise Keepers convention was in town.
Hadn't smelled marijuana that... um... tasty... since high school.
misty menthol light 120's. about a half pack everyday, when i feel like it.
an occasional cherry swisher in the evening with nancpop.
I think Duhkky was trolling the PK looking for Ted Haggard.
Oh snap my bad what would duhkky know about loving a woman.
I was 40,001 this morning by the way. dangit
I realize this will be wasted on Duhkkky but oh well
v 21
Submit to one another out of reverence for Christ.
the Greek word for submit in Eph. means to "yield" followed by the admonition for men to love their wives as Christ loved the Church.
This was a radical concept at the time. Jewish law at the time permitted husbands to divorce their wives very easily and the Greeks traded partners more often than Duhkkky. Paul essentially tells husbands to treat their wives as equals.
Husbands, love your wives, just as Christ loved the church and gave himself up for her 26to make her holy, cleansing[b] her by the washing with water through the word, 27and to present her to himself as a radiant church, without stain or wrinkle or any other blemish, but holy and blameless. 28In this same way, husbands ought to love their wives as their own bodies. He who loves his wife loves himself. 29After all, no one ever hated his own body, but he feeds and cares for it, just as Christ does the church— 30for we are members of his body. 31"For this reason a man will leave his father and mother and be united to his wife, and the two will become one flesh."[c] 32This is a profound mystery—but I am talking about Christ and the church. 33However, each one of you also must love his wife as he loves himself, and the wife must respect her husband.
It must be lonely for you Duhkkky.
duhkky I think you should pick up the unleashed lapel pin you'd just ignore the WWJD bracelet and besides it wouldn't go well with your t-shirt
EB-OUCH! Plucky doesn't know how to love in the Scriptural sense. And Plucky, check my site, I went through ALL 3 CHAPTERS of the Sermon on the Mount. I don't think I blew it in talking about it either!
tmw
I see that I missed out completely on this discussion. I spent the day doing up letters of recommendation for my seniors. Tedious work, at best.
Nanc,
Misty Menthol Light 120s? Those are those little skinny cigs you can tear the filter off of, twist up the ends and sell to Catholic school kids as a doob, isn't it?
Don't laugh, it's how I made my first million.
yeah, beamish - the first one of the day usually gets me high too!
this is too funny - the farmer has only answered the first question! isn't he the best?!?!?
he'd make a good cop.
Since I have been drafted I will answer Beaks's questions.
1. Describe the different types of love?
Since every person is a unique individual, love has a different meaning to each of us. With every person you love it is a different experience. There are over 6.5 billion types of love.
2. Is patriotism a type of love?
I suppose it is. My greatest love is for humanity and I dont believe too much in patriotism. However, I respect the traditions of my society and honor them in accordance to their worth. And the US is worth a hell of a lot more than Communist Cuba or authoritarian Russia.
3. There is also a familial type of love that is well known to parents. Is this the ultimate example of a mature type of love.
I'm not a parent and wouldnt know. Perhaps I've never known the ultimate love, sigh... But then again I've never had to change a diaper or put up with a 20+ year old freeloading hellspawn ;-)
4. Many societies do not have the same notion of romantic love. Marriages are created with an almost barter like system. Is romantic love as we understand it in our current culture a product of Western civ.
Love is a survival instinct that humans have expanded upon far beyond its purpose. Perhaps it will evolve until we have developed the global orgasm of peace , or maybe not... If anyone wants to barter their wife for beer please email me some pictures.
5. Do totalitarian governments have an anti love obsession?
Most totalitarian governments try to foster an Orwellian love for itself or its religion so they just have another approach to love. In these cases the state is obsessed with controlling its citizens and is the ultimate jealous lover.
6. Is a religion whose theme is submission compatible with love?
In practice Fundamental Islam teaches men to hate women and women to fear themselves. It would be a great religion for homosexuals if the Koran didn’t advocate execution as punishment for such behavior. Those who are moderate and don’t interpret the Koran literally can truly love while maintaining their piety to such a twisted religion.
Once again, like totalitarian governments, Islamist fundamentalism seeks to make love of the religion the highest form of love, even above the family.
There are a few moderate Muslims out there. The American Islamic Forum for Democracy is a fantastic example. I’m sure they have satisfying sex lives.
Farmer John is off his meds as usual.
I would demand nothing less!!!!!
are you going to post fern's findings? just curious - he did answer ALL the questions...
I did post Freedomnows findings
Now dont fight over me kids...
But if you do have to fight over me, could you use swords? Fencing deuls are really cool!!!!!!!!
For those about to die, we salute you.
i see that - i meant as a segment! perhaps no one will see them here - that's what i meant.
Random thoughts about love:
To paraphrase, I don't know what it is but I know it when I feel it.
Marriage and love aren't necessarily synomyous.
Greater love has no man than this, that he lay down his life for his friends (John 15:13).
Whoever is without love does not know God, for God is love. (1 John 4:8)
As regard to totalitarian states, socialism, Communism, Islamic Theocracies et al; they seek to replace God and love by either claiming they speak for God, portray their tyrants as gods or replace God with a state from which all good things come as well as punishment for blasphemy against the state.
Narcissism, the love not mentioned, the destructive love of self.
love and marriage SHOULD be synonymous, warren. i don't think a good marriage could survive without it. and i'm not necessarily speaking of that first-year, feel good, romantic-type love. it's the kind of love that has no language - just a look and you just know that you know.
why, i cannot even imagine staying with someone just out of spite~! fun as it may be...
beak
love and accounting?
"Love me two times baby...love me twice tomorrow...
competitive accounting and music
musical chairs
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