Sunday, August 15, 2010

The Mosque Bit Shows Why Obama fails as a leader

I want to point to the difference between a real leader I disagree with Michael Bloomberg and an incompetent I agree with Barak Obama

Points one

The Mosque is 100% legal. It is not as bad as advertised as I actually went to the area and toured the site. It is in the middle of the block and 13 stories is smaller than the buildings in the area. Unlike many experts I work in the area and am familiar with the site in question.

Point Two

A Mosque so close to Ground Zero is in dreadful taste. It is an affront to many who consider the
area special.

Bloomberg is 100% correct in pointing out the above. For him it is unthinkable to violate the concept of religious freedom because many think this mosque is in very poor taste. Where Bloomberg goes off track is the flip comments he does not care how this project was funded. For him this is no different than a rich foreign investor buying a townhouse. The foreign investors will pay property tax unlike this house of worship. Moreover, NYC should know exactly who the funders of this project are and check for possible terror ties.

Obama takes a stand on principle, but then waffles at the reaction and concedes point two when
the public is furious. Of course Obama could ask the builders of the Mosque to understand the anger they are creating needlessly. Obama could demand the project be halted immediately pending an investigation of the funding. He could negotiate concessions about size of the project
or arrange a deal to move this project slightly North Of Chambers Street to a more suitable location for all.

Obama fails on all counts because he is a mindless University hack leftists and has never been able to much beyond slogans and had no real vision. He got elected by hiding who he is and was aided by a cabal of Journolist cronies.

Bloomberg is a decisive leader who built things. He is a man of convictions and action and a natural leader. I may disagree with his views but still respect him for standing on principle. Obama takes a stand looks at the polls and comments and runs for cover with a remark that tries to please everyone. Obama has no clue about leadership because he has no spine and has no
aptitude for leadership.

Of course if he wanted to show America he is a real leader he can come to NYC and rent Madison
Square Garden

1) Bring the Mosque builders, Mayor Bloomberg, David Patterson, Pam Geller, Robert Spencer, Newt Gingrich, Stephen Schwartz to a Kool-Aide summit. (Beer is Haram). All of the victims families are accommodated.

Place everyone together in MSG with mediocre food until a deal is reached.

While Obama is in NYC meddling he can praise Charley Rangel's service and ask him to retire.
He can also ask the Dolans to rid NYC of Isiah Thomas.


Always On Watch said...

Although I'm not a New Yorker, I oppose the building of the mosque in that particular location.

BHO's backpedaling and "qualifying" now, after his statement alarmed Dems running for re-election in November, makes BHO look like a fool. I'm sure that CAIR, which praised him for his Friday statements, is pissed off now that BHO is trying to backpedal. LOL.

And, actually, BHO is a liar too -- particular his statement about Thomas Jefferson holding the first Ramadan dinner in the White House. Jefferson served an after-sunset dinner to the envoy out of courtesy and respect. Then he turned around and went to war with the Barbary pirates (Moslems).

Always On Watch said...

Bring the Mosque builders, Mayor Bloomberg, David Patterson, Pam Geller, Robert Spencer, Newt Gingrich, Stephen Schwartz to a Kool-Aide summit. (Beer is Haram). All of the victims families are accommodated.

At the least, fisicuffs would ensue. LOL.

Always On Watch said...

I may disagree with his views but still respect him for standing on principle.


I think that he's missing a very important principle about the mosque.

Anonymous said...

Your bias in favor of Bloomberg in this is uncalled for, Beak. Obama's words in support of the mosque are no more out of line that Bloomberg's were.


beakerkin said...


Mayor Bloomberg showed he is a man. He took an unpopular stand and took the heat with no wavering. Obama waited and then took a stand and backed away from it. Bloomberg is a
man and Obama is a jellyfish.

I do not agree with Bloomberg but respect his conviction. Obama is not

Anonymous said...

Beak, come on, man! There's actually nothing all that noble about Bloomberg's stance. This mosque is obviously a case of Muslim machismo. What sickens me is that the "white" left in this country pays almost zero attention to the lack of respect, from a constitutional perspective, Native people's relations and access to their sacred sites receive. Mato Tipila (Devils Tower) Paha Sapa (Black Hills), and the high country in northern CA are just a few sites that the supreme court has routinely ignored or ruled against in terms of Native peoples enjoying access in a way that doesn't have to compete with rock climbing, skiing, or bike riding interference. Yeah, I know, spirituality out in "nature" is recreation, while religion in man-made buildings represents the highest form of communication between humans and the creator.

Getting back to the scum-suckery on the white left, let a religion with 1.5 billion devotees shed a few tears about being persecuted, and watch whitey leftist scramble at light speed to defend this "poor, oppressed people."

Yes, the mosque should be allowed to be built. I think it's in poor taste, but, that's the price of "religious freedom." That said, I'm waiting for the day when the Supreme Court decides to stop viewing cases involving religion through an exclusively Abrahamic lens. The fact that any place that's convenient (or in this case, provocative) for human beings is suitable to build a religious building, says something about how these people view God (or whatever you call the creator). The earth is merely an object from this viewpoint.

And, can we once and for freakin' all cease acting as though Muslims are a minority? 1.5 billion strong have nothing to cry or complain about, in this country or any where else in Europe. Unless, of course, you're from a religion that is really just the latest expression of desert cult imperialism, and people are finally starting to tire of the creator being used as ideological cannon fodder for 7th century barbarism.

Ducky, I really could care less about your faith or lack of any sort of religion in your own life. But, as a white leftist, could you explain to me why you and your ilk continue to get boners over such a morally impotent and bankrupt religion as Islam?

I know the answer: you perceive Islam in terms of skin tone and ethnicity. Brown = minority = righteous victim in need of continual white defense, no matter the truth, right? Or, is it also a matter of verbally, in your face screaming how bad the U.S. is and how evil the West is as well? Would you and your kind actually speak of in defense of Native peoples with the same gusto you do Muslims if we began screaming for the destruction of Jews, the U.S., and Western Civilization?


Justin said...

Beak: I think this is worth reading every word. It is the most sensible debate I have heard on this whole mosque fiasco. I think Dr. Jasser pretty well explains many muslims feelings regarding this issue.

American Islamic Forum for Democracy

PHOENIX (August 15, 2010) - Dr. M. Zuhdi Jasser, a devout Muslim and the president and founder of the American Islamic Forum for Democracy issued the following statement regarding remarks from President Obama on the proposed mosque and Islamic Center at Ground Zero:

"As an American Muslim whose family fled persecution in Syria and as someone who has stood in the face of some resistance to the building of many of our houses of worship in the U.S., I fully understand the value of standing for religious freedom in America. But President Obama's statement about the Ground Zero mosque at last night's White House Iftar dinner is the latest example of political correctness gone awry.

The President commented that:

"Muslims have the same right to practice their religion as everyone else in this country. And that includes the right to build a place of worship and a community center on private property in Lower Manhattan, in accordance with local laws and ordinances. This is America."

Yes, Mr. President, this is America and you have fundamentally misunderstood the stakes in this discussion and the sentiments of the American people. Instead, you have focused on the very issue that the Islamist propagandists wish you to-- the narrative that Americans somehow need lectures about Islam, Muslims, and religious freedom.

Your message to Americans will be spun on Al Jazeera and by Islamists across the world that President Obama reassured a friendly global Muslim audience at the White House Ramadan dinner that he was going to remind Americans about the principles of religious freedom for Muslims since they seem to be trampling over those principles in the local dispute at Ground Zero in New York.

Mr. President this is not about religious freedom. It is about the importance of the World Trade Center site to the psyche of the American People. It is about a blatant attack on our sovereignty by people whose ideology ultimately demands the elimination of our way of life. While Imam Faisal Rauf may not share their violent tendencies he does seem to share a belief that Islamic structures are a political statement and even Ground Zero should be looked upon through the lens of political Islam and not a solely American one.

As a Muslim desperate to reform his faith, your remarks take us backwards from the day that my faith will come into modernity. I do not stand to eliminate Imam Rauf's religious freedom; I stand to make sure that my children's religious freedom will be determined by the liberty guaranteed in the American Constitution and not by clerics or leaders who are apologists for shar'iah law and will tell me what religious freedom is.

'Park 51', 'The Cordoba House' or whatever they are calling it today should not be built, not because it is not their right to do it - but because it is not right to do it." Mr. President, your involvement in this issue is divisive not uniting. Your follow-up stating that 'you will not speak to the wisdom of the construction of that mosque and center' indicates a passive-aggressive meddling on your part that only marginalizes those Muslim and non-Muslim voices against it while pretending to understand both sides of the debate.

Ducky's here said...

Ducky, I really could care less about your faith or lack of any sort of religion in your own life. But, as a white leftist, could you explain to me why you and your ilk continue to get boners over such a morally impotent and bankrupt religion as Islam?


I get boners about you getting into the fire water again and thinking you know jack shiite. Another one o those Islamic scholars jerking themselves off to

Go give GayEagle a big kiss along with the Beak.

Cateran said...

Islam Means the End of Religious Freedom

Ducky's here said...

Hey, Beak, you're attracting every right wing diaper pisser in town.

Now you've got, Ray, a GayEagle denizen who tries to pass himself off as an Islamic historian. The fact that he was a GayEagle fanboy indicates he probably doesn't even know his own history and might want to tone down the idiot wind.

Cateran said...

Awww diddums, someone's getting ready to throw his teddy bear on the floor.

Anonymous said...

I've already replied to Ducky. However, I forgot to ask where I stated that I was a historian of Islam? It seems that, rather than throw pathetically irrelevant insults at me about the fire water, you may want to stop check your facts there, little buddy.


Always On Watch said...

BHO is a pretender on a lot of issues.

The_Editrix said...

"insults ... about the fire water"

Well yes. That was the point where I decided I'd skip the Duck's comments for good from now on. As far as grunting moron value goes, it is unbeatable. He drew level with that Beamish Java applet thang stuck in an infinite loop in one single comment, and that is at least SOMETHING.