I seldom do this type of post as only my dedicated core readers will enjoy this post.
I try to stick with serialized books and current events and a rare comedy bit. However, I am sometimes wrong about the readers intrest. The post on Bad Eagle was a cutting room post but ran well there. The Straus and Rand posts also proved better then I guessed. Mr Beamish proved me 100% wrong and knows his stuff and then some.
While researching the Ward Churchill post a substory is the perversion of Civil Rights by the followers of Marcuse. Traditionalist like 90% ofthe readers here accept individual rights as the basis of Civil Rights. Our Constitutional Rights are individual rights . Liberty is the right of every citizen until it infringes on someone else. However one does not have the right to Sedition, Treason or to communicate with terrorists to facilitate criminal acts.
Marcuse or Folk Marxism replaced the worker with scores of disgruntled minorities. Thus we have the absurdities of entire world views focusing on opressed vs the opressors. The USA is the largest Capatalist country and the Jew is the symbol of Capitalism. Thus via the Marcuse based Marxist idiocy the USA and Israel are subjected to standards of behavior applied no where else. Jews are no longer victims so Marxists play word games and substitute Zionist and Neocon for Jooooo. How a religion whose people have opressed more people then anyother except Marxism itself got to the top of the victims list is astonishing.
The Marcusian Marxist insist upon anti American concept as group rights. Rights do not belong to groups and the litany of groups is endless. We should strive for equality of opportunity. This does not mean in any definition equality of outcomes.
We should not gerrymander results to fit a social engineers mathamatical formulas. New discrimination does not reward victims of previous wrongs.
Mr Beamish in 08, Ducky to the down factory and 167 Hasta La Vista and do not write.
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Well, the Strauss thread turned into Farmer John schooling me on a different point of view on Machiavelli. Not one I'm ready to adopt, but definitely a tenable view. So FJ gets props for giving me food for thought.
Wow, thanks beak, my own "special" on a topic near and dear to my heart. Yes the Western concept of rights were meant to apply to the individual, for "justice" was once defined (by Plato/Kant) as "every man doing his best WITHOUT interference from others. (Everyman an end unto himself, and NOT a means to an end)
Then the Marxists got into the moral grievance industry in a fight for "workers" rights (as a group) and as you stated, the Marcusians morphed that into generic "minority" rights in the mid-fifties/early sixties.
Then John Rawls went out and created his "Theory of Justice" turning all standards of "justice" on their head by redefining it to be "social justice" and basing its' measurement and results not by what the "every man" was empowered to accomplish with his life, but on the results experienced by the "lowest" man on the totem pole and what he might potentially achieve with the "help" of all others.
And so the "justness" of a society was to be measured from that time on by its success in making sure drug addicts and winos became self-actualized, evryone else be damned.
The hoi kokoi (dregs) were made into societies new "privledged class" and the hoi polloi (commons) were tossed to the wolves. The hoi agathoi (best) of course, became the red "meat" for the kokoi feast.
And so instead of everyman doing his best WITHOUT the interference of others, justice was now redefined as the lowest man doing his best through societies' interference with all others. All men became the "means" for societies newly favored "ends", to serve the incapable and/or unambitious.
...and mr. beamish, sorry I wasn't able to sway your opinion as to whether Machiavelli was "serious" or simply "satirizing" the agents of power in his own day. Perhaps we can agree that Petronius Arbiter WAS making fun of Roman society when he wrote his "Satyricon". Hmmm, I went to a Superbowl party the other day that contained modern elements reminiscent of that story... but we'll save that for some later post. ;-)
-FJ
I always wanted to do this topic in some format. Rights belong to individuals. Liberty is inalienable right. The Government should serve the people . Marxist spin all these axioms on their head.
Case 69
The Communo Wahabi Waterfowl
69 fails to not that in Islam under Sharia rights are also held by the failthful. Thus Islam and Communism both focus on group rights.
Sorry mr. ducky,
But equality and justice are incompatible values. They aren't "mates", they're closer to an opposing dualism. There is nothing in this universe that has an exact equal in it. ALL material things are inherently "unequal" and in a state of "constant" flux.
You're truing to pound a round peg into a square hole. Actually, I'd probably be more accurate in stating that you're trying to pound both a circular (equality) AND an eliptical (justice) peg into a single square (reality) hole.
You'd have Einstein sweeping the streets and Forest Gump designing the a-bomb. If you really think you can make that society "viable", please either buy a one-way plane ticket to Hugo Chavez's Carribean paradise or check yourself into Bellvue for observation.
-FJ
The "Great Books" thinkers were all "geometrical" thinkers. And "circles" and "squares" were their "specialities".
I don't suppose you've ever tried to square the circle with compass and straight edge? I thought not.
-FJ
It's obvious you're from the school of "No Books" emoters.
And the reason why the "great books" crowd dosn't do much heavy lifting is that they use their brains and let brainless muscle bound emoters make them useful and do the heavy lifting for them. That keeps you emoters from starving to death every winter.
-FJ
I wonder if the author of "Devil's Game" has never played any actual strategic games? I wonder if he's ever actually conducted any real foreign policy? I wonder if he ever heard of a "Balance of Power" strategy? A tit-for-tat strategy? Prisober's Dilemna?
I wonder if all he's ever played in his life is a sheepish moral "let the other guy go first and then do the same thing wrong over and over and lose strategy". I wonder if the author is related to Jimmy Carter... the dictator's of the world's best friend. "Yes Kim Il... I trust you... you AREN'T developing nuclear weapons...here are those dual use centrifuges you asked for". That and, "Yes Hugo, those WERE fair and honest elections". LOL!
-FJ
Just as I thought... Dreyfuss is a "journalist". I guess that makes him a real expert.
-FJ
I figure drunks and drug addicts are about as "self-realized" as they are capable of ever becoming already. I don't have to try and "others-realize" them in the name of social justice.
-FJ
Duncy
You seem to forget the Commie Role.
Kindly open the Black Book and see who trained the PLO and others. The Muslim Brotherhood was a Nazi group. It grew in Egypt as a reaction to Islamo Socialism. The role of the Afghan Arabs was due to the fact Commies tried to impose Marxism on indigenous people and commited mass genocide.
Thus there would be no Afghan Arabs if Commies did not invade countries and impose their warped vision and genocide on indigenous people.
So, we bring out a serious discussion about group rights versa individual rights and Daffy drags out another stupid conspiracy theory.
And just guess who the bad guy is! (And from such a great font of intellectuality too).
What next, a quotation from Mad Magazine?
Group rights are special rights and grossly inequitable to any non-member of that group.
Social Justice is social bullshit for that very reason!
"The USA is the largest Capatalist country and the Jew is the symbol of Capitalism."
Talking about this U$rael image - can anybody tell me if this website is Neo-Nazi or Neo-Commie?
http://globalfire.tv/nj/04en/globalism/usbroke.htm
Elijah
All who know you know that your heart is in the right place.
Felis
I will look into that site tommorow. The quote was me paraphrasing Flynn and he is 100% correct.
Warren
69 seems to forget the role of Commies in anything. I am waiting for his explanation of how prisoners in Gulags do not constitute slavery.
By the way, Beak, that was a excellent essay on Bad Eagle on Ward, etc. I didn't have time to post a comment there (nor read every one else's comments) but I hope to return and learn more. David has an interesting and thoughtful viewpoint. Academia (and the students) are the big losers. They could have had a great teacher and scholar.
Beak, said:
"I am waiting for his explanation of how prisoners in Gulags do not constitute slavery."
Why Beak, isn't it obvious???
They were resisting "Social Justice"!
LOL
Ducky,
Your bloviated pontifications miss the mark because you still fail to take into account the documented fact that no leftist in the span of human history has ever demonstrated the capability of thinking rationally. Leftism is in fact anti-rational. Your slip-shod definition of "equality" is proof enough of this.
Jason
Dr Yeagley is looking for talented writers and I mentioned you to him.
You should seriously consider submitting some classic posts. AOW should also consider likewise. However, I joked that if I wanted a surge in ratings a guest post at AOW would produce better results.
Mr Beamish
Social Justice is a fantasy concocted by the left to excuse its failures and lapses of judgement.
Preach on Brother Beakerkin!
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