Thursday, June 01, 2006

Are we dealing with Mental illness ?

I am seriously wondering if there is a mental health component that is behind the ramblings of familiar far left types. Part of the problem with modern education is that people have a hard time telling stupid people they are stupid. We do not have any qualms about telling Ducky that he is a moron. The Duck may be stupid but he is light years ahead of John Brown and Weasie.

Most far left types feel a need to brag of credentials. However, these credentials are obiously unrelated to the areas they post in or imaginary. Let us take the Marxist Malard as an example.

On a recent post at AOW he praised the poetry of the Koran. Gangsta rap about hos and killing cops is also a form of poetry but still vulgar and decidedly low class. However if Ducky knew the basics of semitic language he would understand that even a conversation about auto parts in a semitic language sounds poetic. Moreover the Duck seems unaware that the Torah is sung with musical notes. In fact every single work of the Old Testament has these notes but Daffy either has no working knowledge or is clueless. I guess Ducky will add musical notes to his favorite Marxist tracts next.

Ducky has an odd obsession with Jews and the Ukrainian Holocaust engineered by the very group he agitates for. Communist create a famine and starve the whole country side and Ducky does not blame the actual culprits. He does have this insane belief that I am covering up the Ukranian genocide. Why a life long anti Communist would want to cover up a Communist crime remains unknown. Why this same anti communist whose family is very familiar with this crime would seek to surpress it is unknown.

Another Ducky classic is the famous whine about people like myself exploiting the victims of the gulag to discredit Marxism. I wonder if he would extend that illogic to Nazism and the Holocaust. Lets see the people who were reduced to slavery and died in the Gulag were obviously sent there by martians.

We could write an entire book on the bird brained duck but he centuries ahead of John Brown and the even more demented Weasie.

Indigenous people are not indigenous when they are Jews. How do people colonize an area that they are indigenous to. This is as insane as calling Native Americans colonialists . The fact that Arabs invaded the area treated a range of indigenous people to Jim Crowe, Slavery and sometimes genocide is just an inconvenient detail.
What constitutes this new ethnicity also remains unknown as language, religion and history are not the basis. In fact the residents of Broklyn NY have a greater claim to a unique culture then the Palestinians who are in fact generic Arabs.

There are the plethora of conspiracies that both knuckleheads advocate including 9-11
nonsense. Brown seems to be the Sam's club of nutty conspiracy theories. He is a vulgar far left version of Dale from King of the Hill mumbling about the latest plot.
Everyone is fooled by these plots and the entire international press is part of the conspiracy. Brown must think that we live in a police state like Cuba with State controlled media. Weasie is even more incoherent and will probably look to Popular musicians for wisdom.

Then there is Uptown everyone is racist except me. He is the only known " strong black man " that has spent not one nanosecond helping genuine black people. He may live like the Fresh Prince of but claims the suffering of Black people is all a product of white racism. How Uptown does not know a thing about the ten percenters or Black Hebrews is unknown. Maybe our friend Uptown has spent little time in the real Uptown as even casual visitors like myself encountered both groups.

There are many good people who suffer in the inner city. The plight of those in the inner city is a serious topic. However, the problem black or white starts off with personal responsability. Do not have kids out of wedlock, stay in school and keep away from drugs. There are plenty of strong people of all colors dealing with these problems. Police, Clergymen, Educators and Health Care professionals man the front lines each and every day. Yet their savior is Uptown who spends all his time in Cyberspace denying their plight and speaking on their behalf.

Employment is a serious problem for people without HS diplomas. Jobs are being outsourced to illegal aliens. I went to a home improvement project next door and found zero blacks. I guess outsourcing is only a problem in the IT industry. The Union masons and carpenters sit in a hall while work is done on the cheap and of often dubious quality. Yet it is only White people who are xenophobic and are upset about illegal imigration. Uptown's words must sound odd to an old coworker I visited in NJ. Jerome has three kids and the oldest can not get a job at a factory. His son is a well mannered HS graduate but employers will not even give his son a chance. These sentiments were echoed by other coworkers I visited with. Yet Uptown has blinders on to all realities except his own household.

There are obvious mental health issues behind the incoherent posts. Oddly, the mental defectives like Brown have zero comment on historic abuse of mental health facilities under communist regimes. This is just one of a plethora of abuses commited under the banner of Marx. Marxists do not belong in higher ed except as subjects in an abnormal Psych class. Someday Weasie will have an entire mental illness named after him.

I want to salute my friend Freedom Now on his elevation to contributor on the Autonomist. His posts are superior in quality and deserve a wider audience.

Mr Beamish in 08, Ducky to be medicated, 167 with zero readers and still incoherent
and Socrasleaze aborted.

190 comments:

Always On Watch said...

Beak,
This will bring them running. Prepare for a deluge of comments.

the merry widow said...

AoW- Isn't that the truth! They seem to have sensors out and if they are mentioned, even obliquely, they know. But, Beaker, is correct, it appears to be a form of self induced, delusional, paranoia. That's the sad part, so much is denial by choice! The worst kind, if it is biochemical the imbalance can be addressed and the sufferer can work towards a normal thought pattern. When it is imposed by the self, you have a real problem. It usually takes a major traumatic life event to crack the wall and that can destroy a person! Pitiful.

tmw

Storm said...

What I find amazing is how these liberal folks create these elaborate conspiracy theories to explain any behavior especially behavior by Demos. And if you do not believe their elaborate conspiracy then they conclude you are a dounce.

I am all for evaluating people's motives but the theory that Johnson is innocent of his role in Vietnam because it was a vast right wing conspiracy makes about as much sense as the current theory in some Arab areas that the 9/11 attack was actually a vast right wing conspiracy. Yes and we engineering the Arabs cheering in the streets after 9/11. Please take a pill preferrably cyanide.

John Brown said...

No conspiracy is nuttier, Toady, than the silly one about 19 EVIL MUSLIM GOBLINS who stole a couple planes, forced Uncle Sam's Air Force to stand down, crashed 1 disappearing plane in Pennsylvania, another at the Pentagon, and one into each of the Twin Towers.

Since steel buildings don't collapse due to fire - never have, never will because it violates too many principles of physics - then have to explain how 250 stories of building collapsed straight to the ground into a powder.

Finally, your EVIL MUSLIM GOBLIN conspiracy has to account how Uncle Sam trained the EVIL MUSLIM GOBLIN pilots while other 'terrorists' lived to tell about it afterwards.

Your creative theories like 'panacking' steel towers fly in the face of basic physics, so your only recourse is to the vast proliferation of smoke.

And those Smoke Signals explain why Sambo Warren the Injun Killer felt the needed to inveigh his 'wisdom' on ius in the disguise as a petty attack against me the last time you had this go round.

And incidentally, how's the serialization of your little Nazi Screed coming along? We're a month and counting, Toady, for you to do what you said you would. To think of how you talked so much smack about how you were going to do it at the time, it's odd that now you're totally cowed.

uptownseteve said...

beaker

My point is simple.

Most African-Americans, by far, are law abiding, middle classed citizens.

Do you deny this?

And if so, do you have any data to prove your assertion?

That goes for zionist, elmer and anyone else as well.

Mr. Ducky said...

Let's go through a couple things Beak. I have been to a few Bar Mitzvah's and I am aware that Hebrew can be very melodic. Not so much that it will cover for a bad cantor but neither will Arabic.

However, you seem interested in denying the level of poesy in the Quran. The idea that something semitic but not jewish is superior really gets your hackles up. Why?

The quality of the poesy in the Quran is one reason it is thought to be divinely inspired. End of story.

Once again you won'y come to grips with shoa business and deny that the Ukrainian famine was the worst ethnic genocide in history. I have told you the back story. I worked on the Harvest of Hunger documentary of the famine and we had to fight for several years to get it aired because of objections from the shoa crowd. We could only get it aired with a panel discusiion afterwards. I see know reason why I have to ask a jew for permission to air my people's history.

It was similar to the time that Kitty Dukakis decided to have a genocide rememberance. Since it was becoming unfashionable not to acknowledge that other peoples have seen trouble in human history other than jews she invited Armenians and Cambodians. She would not invite Ukrainians because she said it would be embarrassing. Ok f**k the jew bitch. Got it, Beak?

Exploiting the victims of the Gulag to discredit Marxism? I have no idea why you pulled that out of your ass but lets review. The gulag victims (3 family members were on the gulag, my uncle tunneled out) wer victims of Communism, a political system. Marxism is an economic theory that deals primarily with the well demonstrated structurally problems of capitalism. Now that's clear enough so that even Jason Papoose can understand it. Got it?

Don't go through life stupid, Beak. There's no need for it.

uptownseteve said...

ouch ducky!

Ease up on him.

After all it is HIS blog.

tee hee

John Brown said...

Ducky,

You may be intersted to know that Uncle Sam's great ally, Mr. Orange Revolution is a raging anti-Semite.

I wonder why Toady and others don't rant and rave about him.

uptownseteve said...

beaker sez

"Jerome has three kids and the oldest can not get a job at a factory. His son is a well mannered HS graduate but employers will not even give his son a chance."

Beaker, give me the name of factory who will refuse to employ a perfectly qualified applicant because of their race and I will make sure there is an investigation and ultimately a lawsuit.

That's if you didn't make the whole thing up.

John Brown said...

And nobody is better at creating famine than global capitalism. Check out Mike Davis's book, Late Victorian Holocausts for a mind-boggling (though far too complex for Toady or Censorman, for sure) read.

the merry widow said...

As my Mother slways said,"The truth will always out!" One day the truth will be known to everyone, I don't think some people will be happy. they may gloat now...

tmw

Mr. Ducky said...

Uptown, I think Beak should put on a Snoop Dog disc and chill. Or he could go retro and grab James Brown at the Apollo. Do himself some good.

Why are why conservatives so obsessed with rap?

Elmer's Brother said...

hey uppity can you show me where I said middle class African Americans are not law abiding?

John Brown said...

All fascists hate art. Meanwhile, all of them think they're artists. Hitler thought himself a painter while Himmler and Ashcroft think they're singers.

They hate rap because of people like Public Enemy, Tupac, Paris, dead prez, and Nas.

Rap has a latent revolutionary impulse the compels people to reject authority figures.

That's why they hate it.

Mr. Ducky said...

Fascist hate art. Yeah, i think the denizens of Beak's and AOW's board demonstrate that.

They present themselves as thinkers but run if there is a challenge to the status quo.

John Brown said...

Rap is also mainly a Black thing, and there's always the strong element of White Supremacacy in all of Vanilla Sam's little Amerikaners.

uptownseteve said...

elmer

Stop trying to be slick.

You don't have it in you.

Just answer the question. PLEASE?

Do you deny that most African-Americans are law abdinbg and middle classed?

YES OR NO?

And if no, can you prove it with evidence?

Real simple elmer.

Elmer's Brother said...

wow all that from some movie quotes.

Yes I believe most african americans are lay abiding.

NOW

answer my question Conspiracy Brother:

can I get a list of words that trigger these fits?

Elmer's Brother said...

and you did not provide a quote so who is assuming now Mfume?

uptownseteve said...

ducky, jb

You both nailed it.

If today's righties were around in 1920 they would have said that Louis Armstrong was destroying American music.

If they were alive in 1945, they would have railed against bebop.

Were the able in 1955, they would have been right there with the White Citizen's Council claiming that rock n rock was reducing white people "to the level of the nigger".

All seminal changes in American music came from the young poor black and defiant and it scared the bejuzus out of the racists and reactionaries.

Elmer's Brother said...

I love Louis Armstrong, I have his greatest hits.

Elmer's Brother said...

that's law abiding

Elmer's Brother said...

no guts huh?

Jason_Pappas said...

Actually the original Fascists were supporters of and supported by artists. But since, as we've pointed out before, fascism is just a variant of socialism, you won't find many fascists here except waterfowl.

Mr. Ducky said...

No question that they can't deal with the origins of hip-hop. Completely fresh and completely black. Bugs the hell out of them.

Now it is a matter of record that Elmer considers "Sweet Home Alabama" to be a major piece of music. He likes that stuff that is Bam-bam-bam-bam right square on the beat every time.

Ask these guys to play off the beat and they get lost. Ask them to swing and they have no idea what you're talking about.

If Elmer had been around in the 50's he would have been screaming to have Billie Holiday's cabaret card pulled because she was a "bad influence".

uptownseteve said...

ducky

What I don't understand is how they can decry the so-called "depravity" of hip hop and then turn right around and praise "The Sopranos" or the work of Quentin Tarantino.

Don't get me wrong.

I enjoy Tarantino and the Sopranos but don't tell me that there isn't an abundance of violence, murder, racism, indiscriminate sex and depravity in both.

The attacks on hiphop are primarily race-based.

Just like most everything in America.

Mr. Ducky said...

Hip-hop holds a lot of stuff. It's convenient to focus on the "gangsta' side if you want to start bashing.

Funny you should bring up Tarantino. He is a nearly complete ripoff of Seijun Suzuki who started making those out of control spoofs back in the early 60's. The Japanese studios told him to play it straight and then fired him. Tokyo Drifter, Youth of the Beast....stuff is great tongue in cheek.

Republican America has shut itself off from the rest of the world and simply doesn't want to take a wider world view.

John Brown said...

When things are looking bad for the fascists, look to people like Pappas to run out the canard about fascism and socialism.

It betrays the same categorical refusal to look at the facts - to look at material reality.

It's not that they don't want to know the truth. It's that they simply are unwilling to open their eyes and look at the facts - in this case the fact that Mussolini threw Gramsci in prison and the Nazi's first purges were against Communists - staring them in the face.

Jason_Pappas said...

Republican America has shut itself off from the rest of the world and simply doesn't want to take a wider world view.

It’s the left that whitewashes the rest of the world, in particular Islam, and thus can’t see the reality beyond our borders. The average conservative Republican is almost as blind but they’re waking up. After 9/11, I wondered who would be shocked into an awareness of the threat: the secular left or the conservative right. In theory it was a toss-up. But in reality the left, after a short period of being shocked, found reasons to white-wash the enemy and blame America. I gave up on the left (once again) after their willful blindness has reached absurd proportions.

Jason_Pappas said...

Oh, c’mon, Brown. You know that leftists always fight among themselves. Stalin and Trotsky had a falling out just as Mussolini and Lenin did a generation before. So Il Duce threw Gramsci in jail! That proves nothing.

uptownseteve said...

ducky

Last night while I was on the computer doing some work, I had the TV in my basement office tuned to the "Old School Rap" channel on Comcast Cable.

I didn't even know the channel existed until my 10 year old showed me.

For about 2 hours I grooved to the Fat Boys, Dana Dane, Dougie Fresh, Joeski Love, the Furious Five etc....

The first hiphop records as well as the entire genre was party music.

The lyrics were all about fun, dancing, good natured ranking and sexual bragadoccio ("I'm Kid Dynamite, the women fight for my delight")

Gangsta rap only became a factor when, IN 1988, an LA producer Jerry Heller, realized there was a big market for promoting LA gangsters as hiphop chroniclers.

Mr. Ducky said...

...and you might add Uptown that gangsta has a strong white audience.

uptownseteve said...

jason pappas

Prior to 9/11, who committed the previous two terrorists acts on American soil?

Hint:

They weren't Muslims.

Jason_Pappas said...

So?

Jason_Pappas said...

Here's the overwhelming chronology of the key Arab/Islamic terrorist attacks (and a few other key events) of the last 40 years. We have an enemy that has attacked the West for decades. They aren’t the only evil in the world but they are the main threat today. Most Americans can only remember a few of these events because, as Ducky notes, Americans don’t care to follow events abroad. But the Islamic Revival is a serious threat that pre-dates 9/11 by decades.

uptownseteve said...

SO?

So what about THAT threat?

Mr. Beamish the Instablepundit said...

I guess I should stand up and be counted, since the leftists are trying to construct the most shallow stereotype.

I am a long-haired white-skinned libertarian conservative, and I like hip-hop and well as rock music. There was a time when Public Enemy and Paris were staples in my CD changer. Musically, they're the bomb. I don't really care for the Black Panther / Nation of Islam message of either, but the beats were hot. I used to make rap and techno track music in my basement studio. I slipped one of my small drum and bass loops in the background music on my blog a few weeks back and told no one what it was. I usually play other people's stuff, and mostly metal on my blog.

uptownseteve said...

jason pappas

And the Islamic colonies and military bases in the West are where?

uptownseteve said...

beaker

Actually Chuck D of Public Enemy is neither a Panther nor from the NOI but from the post modern urban black nationalist mindset.

But what's that to you.

He's just another loudmouth ungrateful nigga, right?

What is it about his message that bothers you so much?

And if you attempt to attribute a thought to Chuck, please provide a quote as evidence.

Jason_Pappas said...

Huh? Don’t be silly Steve, they prefer covert means like those used in the Islamic attacks of 9/11. Look at the chronology above and you’ll see a preference for covert means. With the spread of WMDs you will see attacks killing 100,000s. But just keep your head in the sand, that way so that you’ll be discredited when the USA or our allies are attacked again.

Mr. Beamish the Instablepundit said...

Prior to 9/11, who committed the previous two terrorists acts on American soil?

The previous two on American soil?

All US Navy ships are considered American soil, so you've got the USS Cole attack of October 12, 2000, commited by Al Qaeda.

All US Embassy compounds are considered American soil, so you've got the Al Qaeda attacks on the Embassies in Tanzania and Kenya on August 7, 1998.

Hint:

They weren't Muslims.


Yes they were.

Mr. Beamish the Instablepundit said...

What is it about his message that bothers you so much?

And if you attempt to attribute a thought to Chuck, please provide a quote as evidence.



Yes
Was the start of my last jam
So here it is again, another def jam
But since I gave you all a little something
That we knew you lacked
They still consider me a new jack
All the critics you can hang'em
I'll hold the rope
But they hope to the pope
And pray it ain't dope
The follower of Farrakhan
Don't tell me that you understand
Until you hear the man
The book of the new school rap game
Writers treat me like Coltrane, insane
Yes to them, but to me I'm a different kind
We're brothers of the same mind, unblind
Caught in the middle and
Not surrenderin'
I don't rhyme for the sake of of riddlin'
Some claim that I'm a smuggler
Some say I never heard of 'ya
A rap burgler, false media
We don't need it do we?
It's fake that's what it be to 'ya, dig me?
Don't believe the hype...

uptownseteve said...

beamish

So I guess Oklahoma City and the 96 Atlanta Olympics don't count, right?

Sheesh.

I'll ask again, what is it about Chuck's message that bothers you?

Mr. Ducky said...

Now that's interesting beamish. Hip-hop had to go gangsta to get on your player?

I've always felt that some very bright black promoters figured out that a violent message was the only thing that was going to appeal to white america so they went that way. And then you blame black america for giving you what you want.

Mr. Beamish the Instablepundit said...

So I guess Oklahoma City and the 96 Atlanta Olympics don't count, right?

You asked for the previous two on American soil.

Mr. Beamish the Instablepundit said...

Now that's interesting beamish. Hip-hop had to go gangsta to get on your player?

They didn't have CD players when George Clinton and the P-Funk All Stars were in my 8-track player.

Mr. Ducky said...

Jason, don't you and your kahanist homeboy Beak ever laugh at the irony of Israel being born from terrorism. Terroism was essential to the birth of the state, absolutely essential.

Do you ever accept the fact that Hamas did not go after civilian targets until the kahanist butt nugget gunned down hundreds of innocent civilians at prayer?

What "allies" are you talking about.?

Beak denies being a kahanist but his trashtalk about Palestinians is straight out of the kahanist playbook. You run around spouting of about how much you hate muslims. So what?

Mr. Beamish the Instablepundit said...

I'll ask again, what is it about Chuck's message that bothers you?

Let's just say I'm still waiting for the summer of 1996.

uptownseteve said...

Yup you sure got me there beamish.

And once again, what is it about Chuck's message that bothers you so much?

John Brown said...

Uncle Sam has committed plenty of terrorism on its own soil.

How about the murder of Orlando Letelier in 1976.

Henry Kissinger's boys did that.

Or the bombing of Philadelphia's MOVE headquarters.

Or using the death penalty on framed-up people like Tookie Williams.

All are terrorism.

Mr. Beamish the Instablepundit said...

Hamas is an acronym of the Arabic phrase حركة المقاومة الاسلامية, or Harakat al-Muqawama al-Islamiyya or "Islamic Resistance Movement". The word formed by the acronym corresponds to an Arabic word meaning "enthusiasm, fire, ardor, fervor, zeal, fanaticism". The name has bad connotations to Jews and Israelis, because in Hebrew it means "violence, injustice, harsh wrong" (Oxford University Press Hebrew-English dictionary). This word is quite common in the Hebrew Bible, such as in Genesis 6:11, "...the earth was filled with violence". (from Wikipedia)

Do you ever accept the fact that Hamas did not go after civilian targets until the kahanist butt nugget gunned down hundreds of innocent civilians at prayer?

The "Kahanist" attack at the Cave of the Patriarchs took place on February 25th, 1994.

The Hamas Covenant calling for the eradication of the state of Israel through violent jihad was presented in 1988. The first Hamas attack on civilians took place December 2, 1990, a knife attack where 3 Hamas terrorists stabbed 4 people, killing 1, on a bus between Petach Tikva and Tel Aviv.

Ducky, are all stupid leftists horrible at historical analysis, reading a calendar, and basic math?

Or just the stupid leftists that post on the internet?

uptownseteve said...

Kent State, Jackson State, the 68 Democratic Convention in Chicago.

The police ambush and murder of Fred Hampton.

Amadou Diallo.

Mr. Ducky said...

One simple assault beamish? Stop.
Hamas did not begin a programmatic targeting of civilians till after the kahanist slaughter of civilians at prayer.

Mr. Beamish the Instablepundit said...

Uptownseteve,

And once again, what is it about Chuck's message that bothers you so much?

He seemed pretty giddy for a race war in '96, but that may have just been silly record promotion. Haven't heard nuthin' from him since. Flavor Flav hosts a "reality TV" show now. So, I'd have to ask, what message?

I outgrew Public Enemy and Paris. There's only so much bullshittin' I can tolerate. I can get about the same listening to a Markos Moulitsas speech.

John Brown said...

Obviously CENSORMAN has no concern for the thousands and thousands of innocent Palestinians massacred over the last 58 years. Because of his fanatic racism, those people are dead to him anyway.

He can cry all he wants about the Hamas charter, which doesn't recognize his European colonial settler state. But he couldn't care a whit that Apartheid Israel refuses to recognize Palestine or demarcate its borders.

Here's more of those damned FACTS that people like CENSORMAN hate so much: Since the 2nd Intifada began on 29 September 2000, 3,895 Palestinians and 1,084 Israelis have been killed. Among those dead include 121 Israeli children 722 Palestinian children. Over the same period, 7,633 Israelis and 29,865 Palestinians have been injured; more than 4000 Palestinian homes have been destroyed and more than 60 Israeli-only settlements created.

Facts can be dismissed easily by people who simply don't care about them.

John Brown said...

PE's latest album, Rebirth of a Nation, was produced by Paris and released on the Guerrilla Funk label earlier this year.

It's a prize.

John Brown said...

Uptown:

I did a Savage Pigwatch post about Hampton a while ago.

Jason_Pappas said...

Look at the chronology, Ducky, the Arab/Islamist deliberate targeting of civilized people predates, by decades, the religious nut who shot-up a mosque. (Or see Beamish’s quick fact reply.)

I like John Brown’s mention of Phily’s Democratic-leftist mayor’s attack on Move. This is the bleeding-heart mayor that replaced the crusty old Republican cop, Frank Rizzo?

But leftists just don’t get the phrase deliberate-targeting for death. It’s part of Islam and the example of Mohammad, not a accidental by-product. Arabs have been trying for 50 years to kill the Jews and destroy Israel while Israelis only want a sliver of that vast tract of Islamic land that stretches from the Atlantic to the Hindu Kush on which they created the only civil society in the Middle East.

Israel has been able to maintain a 20% population of Arabs who live better than in any Arab country. But the 1 million Jews who lived in Islamic lands have to flee for their lives (most are refuges living in Israel.) Jews have created a just society as Palestinian Arabs, like all Arabs, have created repressive fascist states.

But as I said before, fascism and socialism are variations on a theme. It’s no surprise that the socialist here find the Arabs soul mates and hate Israel. QED.

uptownseteve said...

john brown,

YOU ROCK!

uptownseteve said...

jason pappas

Actually Philly's mayor at the time of the MOVE bombing, Wilson Goode, was hardly a leftist but a wishy washy milquetoast who was totally controlled by the scores of Rizzo leftovers in his administration.

Particularly Police Commissioner Grigiore who was the MOVE bomnbing mastermind.

Jason_Pappas said...

Sure, sure, the mayor was a pawn. But that’s beside the point. Pulling a Janet Reno is worthy of criticism but it doesn’t rank with the deliberate targeting of teens dancing at a Disco.

Mr. Beamish the Instablepundit said...

One simple assault beamish? Stop. Hamas did not begin a programmatic targeting of civilians till after the kahanist slaughter of civilians at prayer.

Again, the "Kahanist" assault you reference took place on Feb. 25, 1994. By then, Hamas had since 1988 killed 19 civilians and injured 9 civilians, in 16 separate shooting, knife, or bombing attacks specifically targeted at civilians. (This does not count the 14 attacks on military and police targets between Hamas' founding in 1998 and the Cave of the Patriarchs massacre.) Note that even prior to the "Kahanist" Cave of the Patriarchs massacre, Hamas was specifically targeting civilians more frequently than military / police targets.

Again I ask you Ducky, are all ill-informed stupid leftists horrible at historical analysis, reading a calendar, and basic math?

Or just the ill-informed stupid leftists that post on the internet?

Mr. Ducky said...

Rizzo, now there's a blast from the past.

Robert Bayn said...

It's the dumbing down of America, and it's not just a leftist thing, you can see it on both sides.

Mr. Beamish the Instablepundit said...

correction of typo above - should read:

Again, the "Kahanist" assault you reference took place on Feb. 25, 1994. By then, Hamas had since 1988 killed 19 civilians and injured 9 civilians, in 16 separate shooting, knife, or bombing attacks specifically targeted at civilians. (This does not count the 14 attacks on military and police targets between Hamas' founding in 1988 and the Cave of the Patriarchs massacre.) Note that even prior to the "Kahanist" Cave of the Patriarchs massacre, Hamas was specifically targeting civilians more frequently than military / police targets.

Freedomnow said...

Leftists are so ill-informed because they shun accepted history and substitute their own politically influenced revisionism.

In the fine tradition of Stalin they change history to fit their political ambitions.

Mr. Ducky said...

Beamish get down the street. I'm not talking about property squabbles or individual assaults. In a charged environment like the West Bank there are going to be murders and assaults.

The numbers you quote hardly constitute an organized terrorist effort.Three deaths a year by assault in a war zone is not a terrorist effort.

uptownseteve said...

Ducky

What a guy, that Rizzo.

High school dropout.

Carried a nightstick in his tuzedo cumberbund at formal affairs.

Promised, upon his election as Mayor, to make "Attila the Hun look like a faggot."

Jason_Pappas said...

Leftists seem to assign different weights to events. Thus, deliberate systematic targeting and killing of Jews going about their daily business gets assigned a low weight. One lone deranged “Kahanist” shooting spree is assigned 100 times the weight. Thus, on the leftist scale of “justice” the Jews always lose. One can’t help but suspect that the left is anti-Semitic.

I’m sure most leftists don’t think of themselves as anti-Semitic. Still the coincidence is too much. The connection? Leftism is based on envy as is anti-Semitism (I grew up around anti-Semitism but fortunately not my parents.) I think it was Marx who said that anti-Semitism is the poor man’s socialism. Does anyone have that quote?

John Brown said...

Nor does it rise to the level of murdering of a pregnant woman in cold blood on her way to the hospital, does it Jason?

"US forces on Wednesday killed two Iraqi women - one of them pregnant - who were en route to hospital, as President George W. Bush threatened punishment if an investigation implicates the Marines in the killings of civilians last November. Meanwhile, Iraq's new prime minister declared a one-month state of emergency in the city of Basra on Wednesday."

Democrat... Republican: Same game. Both racist exploiters of labor for their own enrichment.

Mr. Beamish the Instablepundit said...

Obviously CENSORMAN has no concern for the thousands and thousands of innocent Palestinians massacred over the last 58 years.

I happen to have a world atlas printed in 1931. Where exactly is Palestine?

Jason_Pappas said...

If you guys remember Rizzo, you must be as old as I am!

John Brown said...

Sure thing, FreedomNow:

Care to comment on the statistics I cited above about Apartheid Israel's barbarity?

Or would you prefer to ignore them?

Jason_Pappas said...

Sure, Brown, I’ll get my news from you … not!

John Brown said...

Perhaps you should find a map of the Middle East, CENSORMAN.

You can find it on this map, crafted after the "Mandate for British control of PALESTINE" came to be. During this time, a few thousand Jews lived there. The Europeans didn't really start pouring in until the UN gave them the right to steal Arab land. You know how racist the UN can be in support of Apartheid Israel.

Anyway, I don't see anyplace called 'Israel' on this map. Was it wiped off?

John Brown said...

That's right, Jason. If facts don't conform to your racist worldview, ignore the facts.

To someone so sick with racism, it's the only way out. Because you don't really want to know what's going on. You want to be lied to and deluded.

That's why you're a soldier for Rummy.

Jason_Pappas said...

Soldier for Rummy? I would be honored if I had deserved this appellation.

uptownseteve said...

jason pappaas

I'm 44 and my paternal grandparents lived four blocks from Rizzo's home in the Mt Airy section of Philadelphia during the early 70's.

Of course when the complexion of the neighborhood started to change, Rizzo moved to lilly white Roxborough, but I remember as a kid when I visited my grandparents, Rizzo's police bodyguards would stop and/or detour any blacks who tried to either drive or walk through his block.

Mr. Ducky said...

Come on Jason, you kahanist nimrod. There was not an equivalent number of murders of Palestinians just going about there business in that period.

Get a clue.

John Brown said...

But you're a chickenhawk, right Pappas? So eager to send others to die and get stuffed into HEAD COFFINS; so unwilling to fight.

The fact that you're a lackey for Rummy only proves that you actually LOVE being lied to. You need it and enjoy it because it diverts you from reality.

Mr. Beamish the Instablepundit said...

Beamish get down the street. I'm not talking about property squabbles or individual assaults.

Neither am I, you fucking moron.

I'm talking about when 3 Hamas terrorists stabbed and killed an Israeli, wounding 3 others, on a bus between Petach Tikva and Tel Aviv on December 2, 1990.

I'm talking about when 2 Hamas terrorists killed 3 employees, one female, in a Jaffa metal works factory on December 14, 1990.

I'm talking about when a resident of Moshav Te'ashur, David Cohen, was shot and killed by members of the Izz al-Din al-Qassam squad in Bet Le'he'ya in the Gaza District on May 17, 1992.

I'm talking about when the rabbi of Darom village, in Gush Katif, Shimon Biran, was stabbed to death by a Hamas activist from Dir el-Balah, Gaza District on May 27, 1992.

I'm talking about when Moshe Bino from Ashkelon and Ami Zaltzman from Nes Ziona were stabbed to death in their packing-house near the Saja'i'a neighborhood in the Gaza District by Hamas terrorists on June 25, 1992.

I'm talking about when a resident of Ma'ale Levona was injured while travelling with his family to Jerusalem by an axe-wielding Hamas terrorist from the village of Sanjiel, also on June 25, 1992.

I'm talking about when a Hamas terrorist killed 2 women and wounded one man in a knife attack in central Israel on July 1, 1993.

I'm talking about when Yigal Vaknin was stabbed to death in an orchard near the trailer home where he lived near the village of Basra on September 24, 1993.

I'm talking about when Efraim Ayubi of Kfar Darom, Rabbi Chaim Druckman's personal driver, was shot to death by terrorists near Hebron on November 7, 1993.

I'm talking about when Shalva Ozana, age 23, and Yitzhak Weinstock, age 19, were shot to death by terrorists from a moving vehicle, while parked on the side of the road to Ramallah because of engine trouble on December 1, 1993. Weinstock died of his wounds the following morning. Iz a-Din al Kassam claimed responbility for the attack, stating that it was carried out in retaliation for the killing by Israeli forces of Imad Akel, a wanted Hamas leader in Gaza.

I'm talking about when Mordechai Lapid and his son Shalom Lapid, age 19, were shot to death by Hamas terrorists near Hebron on December 6, 1993.

I'm talking about when Eliahu Levin and Meir Mendelovitch were killed by shots fired at their car from a passing vehicle in the Ramallah area and Hamas claiming responsibility on December 22, 1993.

I'm talking about when Grigory Ivanov was stabbed to death by a Hamas terrorist in the industrial zone at the Erez junction, near the Gaza Strip, on January 14, 1994.

I'm talking about when Noam Cohen, age 28, member of the General Security Service, was shot and killed in a Hamas terrorist ambush on his car on February 13, 1994. Two of his colleagues who were also in the vehicle suffered moderate injuries.

I'm talking about when Zipora Sasson, resident of Ariel and five months pregnant, was killed on the trans-Samaria highway in an ambush by shots fired at her car by Hamas terrorists, on February 19, 1994.

In other words, I've destroyed your "Hamas didn't target civilians until after the Cave of the Patriarchs massacre," while simultaneously demonstrating, once again, that you're just another idiot leftist.

Go find meaning in a Genesis P-Orridge paint enema. You're way out of your league here.

Jason_Pappas said...

I’m "only" a decade older.

At the time I worked for a fellow who grew up in Philly and I used to hear about the local politics. It’s been awhile but while I don’t remember the details of Rizzo and Goode; I do remember the days when MOVE was surrounded Waco-style. And I remember feeling unsatisfied with the official story. But it’s been a long time.
--------------------
On my Soldier for Rummy status:
I guess my not being a cop but wanting murders and rapists caught makes me a domestic chicken hawk, too. Are you saying I should ask the police to catch rapists if I'm not willing to do it? Or are you saying only the police and military should be allowed to decide on criminal and war policy respectively?

Mr. Beamish the Instablepundit said...

LoBrow,

So basically what you're saying is prior to ceding of territory from the Ottoman Empire at the end of World War One, "Palestine" didn't exist?

Palestine was created by the British?

Mr. Beamish the Instablepundit said...

I guess my not being a cop but wanting murders and rapists caught makes me a domestic chicken hawk, too. Are you saying I should ask the police to catch rapists if I'm not willing to do it? Or are you saying only the police and military should be allowed to decide on criminal and war policy respectively?

Jason,

LoBrow is a chickendove. So willing to cheer on the terrorists getting scattered by 30mm chain gun fire on the desert sand from a mile away (their torn bodies really light up the area on infra-red) but oh so unwilling to join them.

Jason_Pappas said...

LoBrow is a chickendove.

Or a chickenjihadist! Actually, most of the Arab world cynically uses the West Bank Arabs (the moderates have fled long ago) to become human fodder, literally. The leftists are right there cheering them on.

It’s absurd how the leftists, with this chickenhawk crap, all of a sudden want us to believe they care about the troops. But they cry most about the poor dead insurgents … I mean jihadists; and call our troops deliberate killers of pregnant women.

John Brown said...

Censorman,

I'm saying you were a liar when you said an atlas printed in 1931 didn't mention Palestine. Since it did, the fact remains that you are, indeed, a liar. Either that or you cannot read.

And CENSORMAN, what do you have to say about the fact that the imperialist European colony of Aparthied Israel has killed thousands upon thousands of Palestinian civilians - far more than the handful of Zionist settler you name above?

Are these just more inconvienient facts you will try to duck, dodge, and lie your way around?

That seems to be your game, after all. Between the ubiquitous lying and censoring, you've got quite a lot to do, I imagine.

John Brown said...

Sure thing, Pappas.

The numbers don't lie. You support a genoicdal government committing ethnic cleansing and deceive yourself by relying only on known liars for your information.

Uncle Sam is a ruthless killer - everyone knows that it will savagely butcher anyone who stands in its way. The Iraqi resistance has kicked those same killers in the teeth - a blow from which the ruthless barbarians you worship can never recover.

So yeah, the blood of martyrs is being spilled because of your savage barbarians all over the world. I applaud their bravery and resistance. They are heroes.

And they are victorious in Iraq. It's all over but the shouting, and all that remains to be seen now is how many pregnant women each little GI Joe will murder before finding a custom-made HEAD COFFIN for his little Amerikaner head.

That you're an ignorant hack perfectly willing to be lied to over and over again by shameless, delusional hacks like Sambo Rice and MafiaDon is your problem.

John Brown said...

I don't claim to care about the toops as a whole, Pappas. I respect Uncle Sam's GI Joes if they shoot their officers - fragging, Vietnam style.

The Iraqi Resistance is heroic and brave because they've stood up to killers stealing their resources.

You support the very theft and murder they oppose, making you a servile Haliburton hack.

Mr. Ducky said...

Well, that is a fact Jason. I'll agree with you there that dictatorial Arab regimes are using the Palestinians as pawns.

So they have the israelis steling their land and water and the mubarak's and saudi royal family members keeping them stuffed in a combat zone.

You wonder why they blow things up once in a while. There's no way out for the poor bastards.

Jason_Pappas said...

So John Brown is on the side of Islamo-fascist and against America. Yes, we kill fascists and Nazis just as we did in WWII. It's interesting how some on the left have gone over to the Islamo-Nazi side now that the Berlin Wall has fallen.

But that's how Fascism was born ... when Il Duce abandoned international socialism for national socialism. History repeats itself. Who are some of your favorite political authors?

Mr. Ducky said...

Jason, our troops apparently did shoot unarmed civilians for no cause. I feel for that poor son of a bitch who was yelling "The little girl's on my boots". He's going to carry that forever. Probably just a bunch of guys on speed and antidepressants trying to get through that bullshit mission.

Yeah, we did kill an unarmed pregnant woman at a checkpoint but her child would have been a muslim so it's cool. Is that correct you kahanist bigot?

There is a reolution to this. Bush gets on national American TV and apologizes for thinking that Dirty Harry trash talk would get him through this fiasco, he resigns and he leaves for The Hague. Repeat for Rummy and Condominium Rice.

Jason, here's a clue. We got beat like a freakin' baby seal. Shooting pregnant women may be acceptable to the IDF but we still have morals in America and it isn't going to play well.

Mr. Beamish the Instablepundit said...

LoBrow,

I've never censored anyone. I do delete stupid people who do not identify themselves as morons when they post. Ducky is allowed to post because he at least identifies himself as a leftist sometimes, which is near-perfectly synonymous with stupidity enough to not quibble over my strict rule that morons must label themselves as such. You on the other hand were specifically asked to provide the disclaimer with your posts. You will find that as soon as you abide by my few rules, you can continue to convince people of your utter stupidity on my blog as much as Ducky does.

I mean come on, let's be realistic. It just isn't possible to stretch the boundaries of human imagination to include the possibility of a leftist having something intelligent to say.

Besides that, you deleted at least 2 of my posts from your own blog. That's your right as a blog administrator and your prerogative as a leftist, hellbent as all leftists are on convincing others of their "free speech" hypocrisy and feeble intellect.

Drug abuse, brain damage, bell curve education grading, or whatever tragedy it is that put you on the road to leftist stupidity, you make me laugh whenever you cry about being "censored."

A lot.

Jason_Pappas said...

Ducky, the level of collateral damage is low (most civilian deaths are due to jihadist attacks and they are deliberate!) The number of criminal rogue elements in the military is extremely low. It is lower than WWII where civilians also were killed. The French, in the years of occupation of the French sector of Germany, systematically raped and savagely occupied their zone. The Russians were far worse. (Read, I believe, “August 1945”) Our standards have been historically high and remain high. But that takes an honest look at the whole picture and an honest comparison to history.

John Brown said...

CENSORMAN,

Predictably, you've spun one lie after another and called it writing. Perhaps you should run back and delete all of your silly little embarrasing posts here just like you say that you've done (but didn't really do, since all your posts remain) on my blog.

You lied about the map... because you're a liar.

You've lied about not censoring me... because you're a liar.

You've lied about the fact that Apartheid Israel has killed thousands and thousands more Palestinians than the reverse... because you're a liar.

I realize that you lie because you've got no interest in telling the truth. To a racist smack-talking barbarian like yourself, you've got to focus on what's important: committing lies to memory and using them to pollute the world.

Nice to see you've taken your lessons from Sambo Rice, 5 Deferment Cheney and learned them well.

Jason_Pappas said...

C’mon, JB, what do you read for political insight? Is there a Journal of Islamo-Fascist Studies? Or is it the Protocols of Chomsky? Or perhaps the Socialism for Jihad Review? Do tell!

John Brown said...

Sure thing, Pappas.

The only thing Uncle Sam has done in Iraq is murder civilians and train death squads who run around bombing mosques and... surprise... torturing civilians with drill and murdering them in sectarian rampages.

Ever heard of the Salvador Option?

Not that you care, of course, since you really have no interest in the truth. Your only interest is in convincing yourself that you're justified in being an apologist for Empire, genocide, theft, and the murder of pregnant women.

Jason_Pappas said...

C’mon, JB, where are you reading this? What do you consider the ultimate political review?

John Brown said...

I read this blog, Papass.

That's why I'm so smart.

The level of Toady's intellectual sophistication - fart jokes, Adam Sandler movies, and Duke lacrosse team parties - has taught me so much.

John Brown said...

Ha'aretz, Pappas. That's where I get most of my material.

There and in the Jerusalem Post.

The Salvador Option stuff was all over the news when Negroponte took over. You just had to have something of an interest in what was happening at the time.

Jason_Pappas said...

You mean you’re making all this up? Even the Daily Kos does champion the jihadists as freedom fighters (last time I looked.) What’s the jihadist-sympathizing far Left’s journal of choice today?

Jason_Pappas said...

I read Ha'aretz from time to time and the J Post but I don’t read about how Jihadists are fighting for a liberal social order or even a socialist order. Nor do I hear about how we deliberately target civilians and systematically kill anyone. Seriously, these venues don't express your viewpoint. There must be a writer of choice, besides Michael Moore, who sees the Jihadists as true socialists.

John Brown said...

Capital, Pappas.

If you read Volume 1 along with Lenin's Imperialism: The Highest Stage of Capitalism and listen to Slave Revolt Radio, you'd go a long, long way to being a decent human being with a firm foot in reality.

Instead of a crank browbeaten with the propaganda of simpletons believing in your own lies out of convenience.

Mr. Beamish the Instablepundit said...

I'm saying you were a liar when you said an atlas printed in 1931 didn't mention Palestine.

My 1931 atlas calls the area "The British Mandate of Transjordan."

I challenge you to find any period of history where "Palestinians" ruled a nation anywhere and "Jews" took their lands from them.

Gaza was taken from Egyptians, not "Palestinians." The West Bank was taken from Jordanians, not "Palestinians." The Golan Heights were taken from Syrians, not "Palestinians." Israel proper was taken from Britain, who took it from Ottoman Turkey, who took it from the Byzantine Empire, who inherited it from the Romans, who got it from the Greeks, who tooks it from the Jews.

If Israel returned to its 67 borders, as in 67 AD, it would encompass all of Jordan and most of Iraq west of the Euphrates.

As a man of some Celtic bloodlines, I have ancient claim to Turkey, my people were driven out of Asia Minor by steppe Mongolians.

Irredential claims of "Palestinians" (whatever that means) lack the history other real ethnic groups have.

I'm not one for discussing pixies. Proof to me the existence of "Palestinians."

John Brown said...

My issue isn't with Jews.

My issue is with European colonialist settlers who came and stole Palestinian land in 1947 and have continued to steal land and murder Palestinians to the present.

Because you're a total bigot who cannot understand that non-White people are human beings, too, you refuse to engage the question of why you find it perfectly acceptable for these European settlers to exterminate and cleanse people from their ancestral homeland.

Jason_Pappas said...

Brown, you don’t seriously believe that Marx or Lenin would accept a nationalist or religious socialist movement in lieu of a workers’ international? You’re a long way from traditional internationalist socialism.

Now what’s this slave revolt radio?

John Brown said...

Why don't you take some of that pixie dust you've found, CENSORMAN, and see when your little colony of Israel existed.

John Brown said...

Marx and Lenin both believed in the right of poor and oppressed people to resist capitalism and imperialism (hence the titles). In fact, Lenin spoke extensively about the need and capacity of the revoltionary proletariat to transform nationalism and nationalist uprisings into socialist revolutions.

Which is precisely what happened throughout 1917, when a Nationalist bourgois government took over but was toppled for its ongoing participation in The Great War.

John Brown said...

Further, Trotsky underlines the same theme with his theory of Permanent Revolution.

All these things are available free online, by the way.

beakerkin said...

Remind me not to get sick. Lets see
in order of IQ. That would leave Duncy ahead of the two special ed refugees.

Number one if you knew the basics of semitic Language structure even a laundry list sounds poetic in a semitic language. The Old Testament is read in Hebrew with musical notes. You are obviously not informed about Middle Eastern customs it must not be in Fanon . You have no clue what so ever but being that you praise gangsta rap this tells us all we need to know about your alleged refined tastes. I guess you will put the writings of Mao and Pol Pot into musical verse next.

The attack of Baruch Goldstein was crtiticized by every major Jewish leader. The fact that you can name him is surprising because it is so out of charachter. The numerous provocations of the fake indigenous people make it surprising that this is not more common. A look at Chechnya and Kashmir show far harsher reaction to Muslim terrorism with less provocation.

Your post on the compartmentalization of the political and economic divisions of Marx is pure garbage. Nor have I ever denied the crimes caused by commies, my family was there.
Your entire train of thought is to cover up the crimes of Marxism and your own anti semitism. You did accuse me of exploiting the victims of the Gulag to discredit Marx. Gee the system creates the abuses and we are supose to ignore the carnage. This is as insane as Holocaust denial.

Lets see I seldom post about Israel unless I am dealing with Marxist morons like yourself or special ed refugees like Uptown Steve. Any atribution of Kahanist ideaology is projection. Moreover an actual Commie complaining about Zionism, Kahanism or any other ism is comedic in light of the carnage your world view has created.

Blaming Hamas on Goldstein is another example of the stairway not reaching the top of your bird brain. The Communists and Nazis were allies and the Commies commited their own massacres that were overshadowed by the Holocaust.
Katyn was by no means an isolated event.

In short you know zero except the standard Commie talking points

Jason_Pappas said...

… stole Palestinian land … -J Brown.

What kind of Marxist are you? Property right?

Marx and Lenin both believed in the right of poor and oppressed people to resist capitalism and imperialism

But the Arabs are not interested in transforming nationalism into internationalist socialism nor are the Islamists interested in dialectical materialism. These are typical fascists and theocratic throwbacks. Marxism is dead in Arab societies. Fascism, the nationalist form of socialism, has replaced it long ago.

You're on the side of the fascists today.

beakerkin said...

Next on the food chain is the demented John Brown. Evil Muslim Goblins is from Beaker of the Rings. Beamish Bagins does kill John Brownlum in the end after he gets sick and tired of hearing about headcoffins and incoherent dialouge.

Jason the Liberterian White Wizzard tries to explain basic history and markets to Brownlum but alas there is no special Ed classes in middle earth.

We covered the 9-11 conspiracy dementia on AC blog. You are still an ignoramus.

On to new territory Jews can not colonize a land that they and not Arabs are indigenous to. Arabs invaded and colonized the areaand subjected a whole range of indigenous people to Jim Crowe , ethnocide and sometimes genocide.

Your posts are incoherent and are more the product of a mental defect then coherent thought.

uptownseteve said...

beaker sez

"The Commies and the Nazis were allies".

THEY WERE??

I thought Russia was a US ally during WWII.

Did I miss something beak or are you just pulling smelling things out of your backside and tossing them around as usual?

John Brown said...

Pappas: the fascists are those who support Uncle Sam's genocidal campaign of global terrorism and slaughter. Support for European colonial settlers in the Middle East is simply an extension of this.

The revolutionaries stand alongside Venezuela, Palestine, and Iran to resist global terrorism and slaughter.

With whom do you stand?

John Brown said...

Toady,

Now you with the sorcery fairy tales and the hocus-pocus 'God hates Arabs and told the Jews to Cleanse Palestine' nonsense, too?

Let's stick to the real world, the material world, not your little fantasy land.

John Brown said...

Toady:

Like I said earlier - you can rip me, but you write and think at the level of fart jokes, Adam Sandler movies, and the Duke lacrosse team.

So fire away. It means less than zero coming from a barbaric fascist like you.

Mr. Beamish the Instablepundit said...

LoBrow,

Israel existed as a political entity / nation state from 1211 BC until the Assyrian invasions 721 BC. From that time until 1948 AD, the territorial area known as the State of Israel was under successive invasions and rule by Assyrians, Babylonians, Persians, Greeks, Romans, Byzantines, Sassanians, Crusader kingdoms, the Ottoman Empire, and Britain.

At no time from 1211 BC to the present have Jews been a minority in the land comprising the modern state of Israel.

"Palestinians," the self-named Arab expatriates from mid-20th Century Egypt, Syria, and Jordan, descend from Arabs that weren't in Israel until 638 AD, some 1850 years after Jews founded the Kingdom of Israel, and they came as invaders and, later under Ottoman Turk rule, as tenant farmers paying rent to the Sultanate.

There is no Palestine, and never was.

beakerkin said...

Uptown

This blog is not a special Ed class. Pick up a history book and read about the division of Central Europe following the so called Nazi Soviet Non Agression pact. The Nazis and Commies were allies until Hitler double crossed Stalin.

I do not have the time or inclination to constantly go over basic history . Educat yourself on your own dime.

John Brown.

Lets see I do not make potty jokes you must have me confused with poultry. I do not post about Adam Sandler films. Your mention of Sandler is probably due to your blatant Commie bigotries.

Mr. Beamish the Instablepundit said...

"The Commies and the Nazis were allies".

THEY WERE??

I thought Russia was a US ally during WWII.

Did I miss something beak or are you just pulling smelling things out of your backside and tossing them around as usual?


Holy shit. In the perennial competition between leftists to say the most historically ignorant statement in a conversation, Uptownseteve sets the bar higher than LoBrow did. I wonder if Ducky can top them.

Uptownseteve, when Nazi Germany invaded Poland and France, they were allies with their fellow leftists in the Soviet Union. At the beginning of the bombings of London in 1940, the leftist Nazis were hitting Britain with Soviet munitions. Soviet diesel fuel powered leftist Nazi tanks into Paris.

The Nazis and Soviet Communists were allies until the summer of 1941.

Jason_Pappas said...

No, Brown, the fascist are those who are fighting for a fascist or theocratic state in the Middle East … they are Arab and Islamists. Which side do you stand?

All of your “it’s their land” omits who they are: fascists. They seek to establish fascist societies and they have in virtually every Arab country that is not under US occupation. And when we leave Iraq, they most likely will establish another fascist regime.

It’s the regime that’s fascist regardless if people are “indigenous” or not. Mussolini’s regime was fascist even though he and his supporters were indigenous Italians. When we invaded Italy (they never attacked us), that didn’t make them freedom fighters and us fascists. When we invaded Germany (Germany never invaded America) and occupied Germany, that didn’t make the Nazis freedom fighters and us fascists.

To be consistant, you'd have to say you'd fight on the side of the Nazis once we cross the German border to invade and occupy Germany. Wouldn't you?

Mr. Ducky said...

That's right Beamish. Then the Red Army absorbed more casualties in a few years than we have absorbed in our entire military history, including the civil war.

It was over by the time we entered and the Brits still ask why it took us so long but you History Channel assracks still expect Europe to kiss our ass.

uptownseteve said...

beaker you idiot

If France and Great Britain had not declared war on Germany it is almost certain that Germany and Russia would have gone to war with each other. The Nazis HATED the Communists and the communists hated the Nazis. With his move into Eastern Europe, Hitler was clearly heading toward Russia.

And there also is ample evidence that Stalin was planning to attack Germany like "Icebreaker: Who Started the Second World War".

beakerkin said...

John Brown's dementia ctd.

I do not post on a variety of subjects . One of the subjects I have not posted of is the Duke case. Unlike Uptown and yourself I am not obsessed with race.

Uptown

Where did I ever write that the majority of blacks were criminal. Unlike you I do not begrudge a man like Jerome for working two low paying jobs to support his family.
Jerome unlike you defines class and courage . He does the best he can do and supports his household and does not point the finger at anyone else like you. His entire life is dedicated to his family and no burden is too great.

Your lame attempts at trying to point the fingers away from the Sons of Allah is amusing. However you are forgetting about a series of plots broken up and some shootings that clearly were terrorist.

The other culprits are the left eco and animal rights terrorists and the unibomber. Communists should be under constant government scrutiny and have long ago established probable cause.

beakerkin said...

Wrong Uptown

Try reading a genuine history of the event. What you have done is suposition and guess work.

The Commies had a treaty with the Nazis and invaded Western Poland.
You need to start reading books and in about six lifetimes you may be as bight as produce.

John Brown said...

Pappas: the people who occupy other's land and steal their resources, those who ship innocent citizens off to torture camps in their global gulags, shoot and massacre pregnant women and children in cold blood - they're the fascists.

"Islamofascism" is a meaningless term you've created to divert attention away from the fact that you support Uncle Sam's right to go wherever it pleases and, on the basis of cooked-facts and outright propaganda, main and murder and torture and kill anyone.

All your smack you talk about how awful and evil brown people are means nothing since you support the most rancid, foul barbarians on the planet and their campaigns of death and murder all over the globe.

uptownseteve said...

beaker

Still waiting on the name of the factory which refuses to hire on the basis of race.

THAT'S ILLEGAL.

Do you mind listing the acts of terrorism by the Sons of Allah?

Was it anything like the aborted plan of JDL butt nuggets Irv Rubin and Earl Krugel to bomb the office of California Congressman Darrell Issa?

You also seem to have forgetten the Christian right fanatics who bomb abortion clinics and murder doctors.

Freedomnow said...

JB,

You asked if I wanted to comment on your accusations of Israeli brutality.

The truth is that Palestinian strategy is based on the effort to provoke collateral damage for its propaganda value.

First off, most of the fighting takes place in the Palestinian territories because the Israelis have the best military in the Middle East. They have bested the Egyptians, Jordanians, Syrians, Lebanese, Iraqis, Saudis and practically every country in the Middle East.

Since most of the fighting occurs in the Palestinian territories there are bound to be innocents caught in the crossfire. As proof, in the recent fighting between the Fatah and Hamas a member of the Jordanian embassy, Khaled Radaida, was killed. It is believed that he was accidentally killed by a Hamas gunman. It was a mistake and because it wasn’t committed by Israel it was widely accepted as such. There has been quite a bit of fighting between the Israelis and the Palestinians so it is logical and unfortunate that there have been innocents caught in the crossfire.

This situation is complicated by the fact that many Palestinian gunmen do not wear uniforms making it difficult for the Israelis to determine who are actual combatants. The fact that Palestinians use family residences as safe houses and weapons stashes is criminal.

How in the world can Palestinian parents allow their children, who are often not much older than toddlers, throw stones and Molotov cocktails at Israeli soldiers in the middle of a war zone? Then gunmen have the nerve to use the kids as shields. It is despicable.

The Arab war of extermination in 1948 was a failure and all efforts since then have also failed. It was a miserable sequel to the holocaust. In recent years the Arab world has abandoned the Palestinians because they never really cared about them in the first place. They were just tools in their vendetta against the Jews.

As a test of Israeli brutality look at the Arab Muslims who stayed in Israel and didn’t flee during the war. They have equal rights and enjoy representation in the Israeli government. How have the Jews fared in Arab lands?

Freedomnow said...

Uptown,

When was the last abortion clinic bombing and name one active Christian terrorist group that performs such actions.

Most of those abortion clinic/gay night club bombers were Neo-Nazis and they are as anti-Bush and anti-American as you are...

Rev Fred Phelps is a descendant of such hatefulness...

John Brown said...

So Censorman: what you're saying is that White Europeans used a 3,000 year old land claim, the holocaust, and a UN mandate as a pretext to kill thousands and thousands of Semetic people and expel them from their land?

Is that basically the argument you're making? Doesn't that make you an anti-Semite?

I guess, to a genocidal maniac, there's nothing to be ashamed of in this. I mean, it's racist and vile - but no more so than your apologetics for Uncle Sam's genocide of those native to the Plantation, or slavery, or the use of nuclear and chemical weapons against the people of Iraq.

Jason_Pappas said...

the people who occupy other's land and steal their resources, those who ship innocent citizens off to torture camps in their global gulags, shoot and massacre pregnant women and children in cold blood - they're the fascists.

That’s all the Middle East rulers. Saddam did that as does the Syrian and Iranian tyrants (who you support.) The jihadists who fight us today in Iraq seek such a state. It doesn’t matter if they’re domestic (like Saddam and Mussolini) or foreign. Fascists are fascists. This is their principles and policy - not rare exceptions.

Once again, we’re fighting the fascists and Nazis. And you’re taking their side. True, we are once again fighting them in their country but so what? You go to the fascists instead of waiting for them to come to you as they did on 9/11. You are clearly on the side of fascists just as Stalin was on the side of the Nazis until they turned on him (and Stalin trusted them completely.)

John Brown said...

Freedomnow:

So you're saying the Palestinian strategy is to get killed by White Euroepean Apartheid Colonizers?

Ok. That's no different than saying Black people liked being slaves or Jews didn't mind going to Concentration Camps. It's so absurd, so based on racist, ignorant stereotypes as to not merit much comment.

John Brown said...

Pappas:

Uncle Sam is the world's worst at all those things. Bar none. Not even close.

And you're an apologist for it.

uptownseteve said...

freedomnow

I don't know what you are trying to get at here but Eric Rudolph, who was tried and convicted of bombing two abortion clinics, a gay nightclub and the Atlanta Olympics, was a member of a group called "Christian Identity".

Now they definitely were a white supremacist group but they also were motivated by so called Christian teachings and beliefs.

John Brown said...

And Uncle Sam did 911, not EVIL MUSLIM GOBLINS like you allude to without any proof.

John Brown said...

Hey Toady:

All of us - you and me both - are under constant government scrutiny. Because in Uncle Sam's little fascist paradise, everyone's phone's are always tapped.

beakerkin said...

Lets See Vegietown wants to lift poultries homo anal lines. He is devoid of any creativity .

Lets see the nuber of people killed by Hassan Ahkbar, Rasid Baz, The DC Sniper , El Al ticket counter and Uptown is sooo woried about a failed plot by two JDL kooks with zero support. Another example of why produce is smarter then Uptown.

Phelps is actually a democrat and has been for years.

Abortion clinics bombings are rare and not supported by a network of coconspirators like the Weatherpeople, Jihadists and Green Terrorists.

Maybe you should read a while and get a coherent thought.

beakerkin said...

Brown Your phone should be tapped as Communists are the enemy and have a history of espionage, treason and sedition in the USA.

beakerkin said...

Brown

Lets see Osama took credit and just in case you have forgotten the burden of proof falls upon the conspiracy crank not that of the mainstream opinion.

FLORIAN said...

Interesting how ignorance of history and leftism go hand in hand. I'm enjoying a nice chuckle. JB has no idea how the nation of Israel was founded, and uppy has no idea about WWII alliances and treaties.
Hey Uppy: BTW your hero Calypso Louis Farrakhan has said Hitler was a great man!
Hitler, like Stalin was a leftist--just like you.

Jason_Pappas said...

Brown you so out of contact with reality it's hard to believe. Now I know you didn't read all this in Marx or Lenin. So what do you read? The Nation? Is this their viewpoint? Who best expresses JB's worldview?

beakerkin said...

Brown

It is well known that terrorist purposely mingle with civilians to increase colateral damage. Any blame for the civilian casualties rests with the terrorists themselves and with the fake indigenous people for allowing them to run around knowing the consequences.

Mr. Beamish the Instablepundit said...

That's right Beamish. Then the Red Army absorbed more casualties in a few years than we have absorbed in our entire military history, including the civil war.

I've never said, and will never say that the Red Army was worth a damn against people who could shoot back.

It was over by the time we entered and the Brits still ask why it took us so long but you History Channel assracks still expect Europe to kiss our ass.

Winston Churchill, a conservative right-winger, did indeed plead long for America to involve itself in war against the leftist Nazis all the while the leftist Franklin Demento Roosevelt was selling Hitler steel for his Panzer divisions and the leftist Soviets were fueling and arming the same. You really ought to not attempt to camouflage the actions an inactions of your fellow leftists, Ducky. The history of the United States under the rule of various leftists is disgusting, whether you want to talk about the Palmer Raids, supplying Hitler, or deporting Elian Gonzales, whatever. Leftists traditionally and more importantly historically are and have all been fascist assholes.

You leftists really ought to develop a sense of proportion to your feeble rhetoric.

uptownseteve said...

beaker

The DC sniper was as much a "Muslim terrorist" as David Berkowitz was a "Jewish terrorist".

You are such pathetic fraud.

Mr. Beamish the Instablepundit said...

LoBrow,

what you're saying is that White Europeans used a 3,000 year old land claim, the holocaust, and a UN mandate as a pretext to kill thousands and thousands of Semetic people and expel them from their land?

Actually, I said what I said.

The land known as the modern State of Israel has and has had a indigenous Jewish population majority since 1211 BC, even with Assyrian and Babylonian exiles, Jews remained the majority ethic group in the land.

Even in the early 19th Century, before the Zionist movement was founded, the land known as the modern State of Israel had a Jewish majority, and then barely anyone, Jew, Turk, or Arab lived there.

It wasn't until the Zionist movement and Diaspora Jews returned to Israel and made land they BOUGHT from the Ottoman Empire prosperous - the desert bloom - that Arabs got it in their heads that they owned land they were renting from the Ottomans.

But Arabs have been slaughtering Jews and advocating the same since Muhammad's time.

Mr. Beamish the Instablepundit said...

All of us - you and me both - are under constant government scrutiny. Because in Uncle Sam's little fascist paradise, everyone's phone's are always tapped.

And yet, still no one takes seriously credible reports that the CIA kidnaps people and brainwashes them into believing they were abducted by aliens.

Speak truth to power, LoBrow!

LOL

Jason_Pappas said...

I’ve notice that none of this will matter to JB. He clearly has a conclusion and will dismiss anything that doesn’t support his conclusion. His conclusion is that America is the evil in the world and anyone who fights America is noble by that fact alone.

I still would like to know where people like him gather. What do they read? I like studying the perverse.

Mr. Ducky said...

Beaker, the communists were one of the first groups rounded up in germany. They were systematically slaughtered as a "tryout" for bigger things to come.

Hitler destroyed all communist organizations, all socialist organizations, all leftist publications, he banned trade unions but he is considered a "leftist".

You and the Florian dunce are like the Cheshire Cat ... "the word means exactly what you say it means". Stop being a dunce beak. You still have a chance. Leave dullards row to Beamish, Florian and Fredomnow. Save yourself.

Mr. Ducky said...

Beamish, can it. The British sold out Faisal. Arabs shed blood in the campaign with Lawrence and Lawrence promised them self determination.

Britain and France sold out the Arabs and occupied the Middle East while giving some of it to the European Zionists who had been sitting out World War I.

Mr. Beamish the Instablepundit said...

I wonder how the Jacobins of the French Revolution feel about Ducky's ahistorical "only Marxists can be leftists" mental dead end.

Ducky, please. Get an education.

Mr. Ducky said...

Supporting Hitler? Look into the Bush family history Beamish. They were very active in that area.

Elian Gonsalez. He was returned to his father. Are you a reaking idiot? A court of law determined that he should be returned to his father. Due process. Rule of law. Got it?

Mr. Beamish the Instablepundit said...

Supporting Hitler? Look into the Bush family history Beamish. They were very active in that

America was very active in that. Franklin Demento Roosevelt's economic policies made it possible as well as happen. And FDR wasn't exactly someone who would get worked up over a national leader publicly denouncing Jews and secretly exterminating them, except in the case he had to get his lame ass out of a wheelchair and stand up and pin a medal on him. It wasn't until Hitler turned on the Comintern that FDR understood what Winston Churchill was trying to tell him.


Due process. Rule of law. Got it?

Jews were sent to Auschwitz and put to death under "rule of law." So what?

MissingLink said...

Great, great rant Beak.
I feel like writing something on this topic myself.
You must've triggered something there.

Mad Zionist said...

Kahane was right: the vermin gotta go.

Elmer's Brother said...

hey all three of me is here today...JB do you like Wagner?

Elmer's Brother said...

And yet, still no one takes seriously credible reports that the CIA kidnaps people and brainwashes them into believing they were abducted by aliens.

Speak truth to power, LoBrow!


You slay me Beamish!

Mr. Beamish the Instablepundit said...

Elmer's Brother,

You do realize the Apollo moon landings were faked on television wirh technology stolen from the Roswell UFO crash, don't you?

FLORIAN said...

No Beamish...partly. They were filmed in the Nevada desert using those Roswell UFO's.

Elmer's Brother said...

Roswell! *hit...I guess I didn't get the memo...I thought the Apollo was in NY?

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Mr. Beamish the Instablepundit said...

Florian,

The state of Nevada is a UFO...

Elmer's Brother said...

Beamish speaking of conspiracy theories and the universe....

Doesn't JB remind you of Lord Dark Helmet in Spaceballs?


[upon going into "ludicrous speed"]
Dark Helmet: My brains are going into my feet

[Playing with his dolls]
Dark Helmet: [In Dark Helmet voice] And now Princess Vespa, I have you in my clutches, to have my wicked way with you, the way I want to.
[In Vespa voice]
Dark Helmet: No, no, go away, I hate you! And yet... I find you strangely attractive.
[In D.H. voice]
Dark Helmet: Of course you do! Druish princesses are often attracted to money and power, and I have both, and you *know* it!
[In V. voice]
Dark Helmet: No, no, leave me alone!
[In D.H. voice]
Dark Helmet: No, kiss me!
[V]
Dark Helmet: No! Stop!
[D.H]
Dark Helmet: Yes, yes!
[V]
Dark Helmet: Oh, oh, oh! Ohhhh, your helmet is so big!

MissingLink said...

Most of the German communists actually survived Nazi rules.
A lot of them were sent to concentration camps.
Many io those were used by SS as kapos together with German crims to control subhuman Slavs, Jews and such.

Most of the communists from Eastern European countries, who managed to 'escape' to Soviet Union prior to WWI and during the war were promptly executed on Stalin's orders.

beakerkin said...

Ducky

This is pure fantasy on your part. Nazis were Communists rivals and sometimes allies. The Communists were fellow leftists vermin and your contention that Communism was inherently any different from Nazism is laughable.

Lets see liberation via planned Starvation in the Ukraine, Eithiopia and China. I am not even certain that any clain that Communism did not slay people based upon ethnicity is false. This was certainly the case in the Soviet Union where whole ethnic groups were deported or starved.

Sadly, Felis who lived under communism could easily vouch for my assertion that Katyn was by no means isolated. The story of the Poles who fought the Communists in the West has also been purged from the memory of most.

If Kidst were here she would explain the ethnic component of the slaughter there. Everywhere Marx goes death follows. The role of the Commie nuts in aiding the Iranian revolution is not forgotten. The religious zealots quickly dispatched the Commies once in power in their only sane move to date. This is lost on 167 who still fawns on the Mullahocracy
today.

Ducky what you fail to note is that Freedom Now , Possum and myself are historic anti Communist liberals. Colaberation with known genocidal Utopians is abhorent to us.

The charges of the Bush family ties to the Nazis are your basic Commie connect the dots game. You decry this logic when a greater case for Communist subversion is made with an easier set of links at Code Pink, Answer and UPJ.

Mr Beamish, Jason and Florian do not represent any type of genocidal Utopianism. In fact Liberterians like Jason have the key to slaying the lazy Utopians in the state No more government Cheese for Commies in the USA. End subsidies for NPR , NEA and make College Professors work for a living. The vast preponderance of Commies, Greens and Anarchists on University faculty is also called adverse impact. The argument is used by the left when trying to add underqualified vegtables like Uptown.

Speaking of Uptown the DC Snipers last name was Greenberg and he claimed to be acting in concert with Jackie Mason. Get a grip Uptown the DC Sniper was indeed a Muslim terrorist and the younger part of the treasonous duo regularly praises Osama. Time for both to die.

Typical stupidity of John Brown claiming that the excecution of Tookie Williams is terrorism. That term may apply to Williams himself who killed Asians in Cold blood or Mummia who should die next.

Brown and Veggietown show little actual knowledge of Move. Move and not the Black Panthers was the group Mummia Abu Schlemiel belonged to. Move was despised by local Blacks in Philadelphia and the comedic attempts to absolve the Mayor for responsability for the bombing are comedic. The members of the insane cult MOVE also shot firefighters trying to put out the flames and caused a whole lower class locality to be burned to ashes.

Freedomnow said...

Uptown,

The point I was making is that these White Supremist/Christian Identity fuckers and all of their allies are the enemies of NeoCons.

The Christian Identity aligned Aryan Nations website has the below quotes,

1. They support the Iraqi insurgents against the US:

When speaking of Aryan Islam, I'm referring to the spiritual and intellectual movement of those idealistic Aryan youth who embrace the TRUE Islam of the Qur'an and Sunnah. They include those who join or support the honorable warriors of Islam, the Mujahideen. We are an increasing number and can't be dismissed as "race-traitors" or any other labels attached to us by those who don't practice the TRUE National Socialism of honor and nobility.


2. They despise Israel and hate Bush who they call the leader of the Zionist Occupied Government (ZOG)

...After reading this short history on ZOG's "Commander in Chief" his incompetence begins to make sense and it makes one wonder how any military man, or any man for that matter, can show him an ounce of respect. Just watch and listen to him on JEWVISION (tv) as he reads his script anytime he addresses John Q. Public and you can see how weak he truly is stammering most of the time...and, uh, and, uh, umm... Usually the result of outright lying and having to make things up. This is the individual we have leading our country? What a damn joke! No wonder Amerika has become so hated in the world with leadership such as this and the cronies he's brought into office with him.

(sounds like a Leftist rant doesnt it?)

These racists have learned from their Islamist allies that religion can legitimize their cause.

http://www.aryan-nations.org/

Freedomnow said...

JB,

You miss my point completely. Terrorists cause suffering to their own people in order to radicalize their base and justify their own brutality towards the civilians of the enemy population as "self-defense".

This is how the cult of martyrdom gets recruits. This is how they get sympathy from the media and western liberals. They are quite good at it.

Too bad they dont do as well when fighting an armed enemy.

Mr. Beamish the Instablepundit said...

Elmer's Brother,

LOL at the Spaceballs reference.

Actually, LoBrow reminds me of why it's more entertaining to read Anton LaVey's Satanic Bible with a Tommy Chong voice.

That's reeeaaal power, man!

Elmer's Brother said...

I could hear him talking to Uppity too man.

Uppity: Hey man I got the stuff?
It's me Uppity.

JB: Uppity's not here man.

Uppity: Come on man let me in.

JB: Who is it?

Uppity: It's me man I got the goods on them right wing racist.

JB: Uppity?

Uppity: yea (sigh of relief)

JB: Uppity's not here.

Uppity: arrrghhhh

MissingLink said...

Katyn became known because the area was taken by the Gerries in the first months of their campaign against Soviets.
Most od the places where KGB executed people of different ethnic background (it didn't have as much to do with ethinicity as with education, faith etc) are located in far away places.
Even now, Russia flatly refused to acknowledge the genocide by the Soviets of Polish Tatar, Kazach, Georgian, Ukrainian etc. people despite vast evidence.

A bit of trivia:
Hitler ordered to use red for NAZI banners and flags, and organized SA thugs copying the communist storm trooper units.
In fact election gains of NAZI party were directly related to the loses of Social Democrats and German Communist party.
I mean he had to get his new recruits from somewhere. :-)

Warren said...

"There is more that binds us to Bolshevism than separates us from it. There is, above all, genuine, revolutionary feeling, which is alive everywhere in Russia except where there are Jewish Marxists. I have always made allowance for this circumstance, and given orders that former Communists are to be admitted to the party at once. The petit bourgeois Social-Democrat and the trade-union boss will never make a National Socialist, but the Communists always will."

(Quoted in Hermann Rauschning, Hitler Speaks, London, T. Butterworth, 1940)

Warren said...

MARX SUPPORTED BLACK SLAVERY IN AMERICA

Letter from Marx to Pavel Vasilyevich Annenkov, 1846: "As for slavery, there is no need for me to speak of its bad aspects. The only thing requiring explanation is the good side of slavery. I do not mean indirect slavery, the slavery of proletariat; I mean direct slavery, the slavery of the Blacks in Surinam, in Brazil, in the southern regions of North America.

Direct slavery is as much the pivot upon which our present-day industrialism turns as are machinery, credit, etc. Without slavery there would be no cotton, without cotton there would be no modern industry. It is slavery which has given value to the colonies, it is the colonies which have created world trade, and world trade is the necessary condition for large-scale machine industry. Consequently, prior to the slave trade, the colonies sent very few products to the Old World, and did not noticeably change the face of the world. Slavery is therefore an economic category of paramount importance. Without slavery, North America, the most progressive nation, would he transformed into a patriarchal country. Only wipe North America off the map and you will get anarchy, the complete decay of trade and modern civilisation. But to do away with slavery would be to wipe America off the map. Being an economic category, slavery has existed in all nations since the beginning of the world. All that modern nations have achieved is to disguise slavery at home and import it openly into the New World"

Warren said...

MARX SUPPORTED BRITISH RULE OVER INDIA

Marx, New-York Daily Tribune, June 25, 1853: "England, it is true, in causing a social revolution in Hindoostan, was actuated only by the vilest interests, and was stupid in her manner of enforcing them. But that is not the question. The question is, can mankind fulfil its destiny without a fundamental revolution in the social state of Asia? If not, whatever may have been the crimes of England she was the unconscious tool of history in bringing about that revolution".

Warren said...

MARX: NEGROES A DEGENERATE TYPE

Marx-Engels Correspondence 1866: "For certain questions, such as nationality, etc., only here has a basis in nature been found. E.g., he [Tremaux] corrects the Pole Duchinski, whose version of the geological differences between Russia and the Western Slav lands he does incidentally confirm, by saying not that the Russians are Tartars rather than Slavs, etc., as the latter believes, but that on the surface-formation predominant in Russia the Slav has been tartarised and mongolised; likewise (he spent a long time in Africa) he shows that the common negro type is only a degeneration of a far higher one".

Jason_Pappas said...

John Brown, I was wondering if you were a lone unrepentant anti-American Marxist-Leninist or if there were more like you. That’s why I asked you where your viewpoint is commonly found. What magazines and writers? After all, if you’re a singularity, your view is irrelevant to today’s world.

I wasn’t trying to refute your view so much as to understand what makes you tick. You seem to ignore all the evidence that doesn’t fit your picture. I haven’t presented much but Beamish, FreedomNow, and Warren have done the heavy lifting. These guys present a picture in which they try to put everything in proportion. We can all disagree on exactly how to weigh the evidence and construct that picture but your not even in the realm of possibility.

The Left seems to seize on a singularity or alleged incident and say “see this is representative of America’s evil” without any attempt to integrate the totality by weighing things in proportion—in proportion to the totality of everything that happening, by applying historical standards, by appreciating the evolution of the problem, and by judging the options available to fallible human beings.

It is just baffling to me how anyone could champion the fascist-terrorists that we are fighting in Iraq or support the theocratic regime in Iran just because they are home-grown. And the Marxists that I remember see history as a process of progressing through stages. They don’t condemn capitalism so much as to say it is only one stage in the process to be superseded by communism. Many of the quotes Warren presented may be Marx’s way of accepting the stages of history as necessary. But what Marx would never do is to hold up a feudal society or theocracy as the next stage. He saw that as backsliding.

The Marxists I used to know would have seen support for such backwards movements as support for fascism—which it is. But today’s leftists are not so much Marxists as they are haters of America. And they find that even fascist movements that oppose America are preferable.

Elmer's Brother said...

More questions for JB:

Will the UFO pick you and Louis Farrakhan up at the same time or is this a separate incident?

Warren said...

Ducky believes that Marx was a "prophet".

holy, holy, holy
St Karl almighty
savior of the russians,
may he bless-ed be

holy, holy, holy
unabash-ed racist
moronic mis-an-thrope
and loved that slav-er-y

Elmer's Brother said...

Question for Uppity:

Assumption: Reincarnation is true
Fact: You are a moron

Question: What were you in your previous life..a dung beetle or a skid mark?

Just wondering.

Warren said...

EB,
Your question assumes he has a "life" now!

uptownseteve said...

warren

Weren't YOU the moron on here posting at 1:30 am?

LOL!!!

You clowns are priceless.

Freedomnow said...

Why in the world is it wrong to post at 1:30 in the morning?

What kind of conformist crap is that?

Elmer's Brother said...

second question:

Did you and JB join the Nation of Islam before or after you stint in prison and or the insane asylum?

West Coast time bright boy!

Warren said...

L'il steve said,

"Weren't YOU the moron on here posting at 1:30 am?

LOL!!!

You clowns are priceless.
"

If it were a moron, it must have been you or Juan Mancha de Mierda!

I was posting about 12:30 AM my time. I'd explain central standard time to you, if I thought you could read a clock with hands.

Of couse I don't know why that upsets you, you're the one with a mommy, I can't help it if you have a bed time.

Your laughter, tee hee, rings kind of hollow.

nanc said...

in the infamous words of chris rock upon learning that a black man admits having gone to college, working and taking care of his family, "that's what you sposed to do niggah! aaahh, you a smawtee niggah..."

um, beak - chris rock said that, not me.

this seems to be one of your longest posts - let's drag it on up over two hundred!

upset i wasn't here for history lessons with warren...

the merry widow said...

I love Chris Rock, he is such a very nice man with a great sense of humor and terrific delivery!

tmw

uptownseteve said...

nanc

The reason so many black men feel the need inform people about their accomplishments and committment to their families is because of the stereotype of the black male ne'er do well.

No matter how many white male wife abusers, pedophiles, rapist or child abandoners are out there, white men as a group are never stereotyped.

This isn't hard to understand.

nanc said...

funny how a black man had to point that out.

Elmer's Brother said...

it's called narcissism - uppity was doomed to fall in love with his own reflection in a pool of water

Warren said...

Stevie,
Cry me a river!

Nobody feels sorrier for you that you do yourself!

Your incessant whining is stomach churning.

Its the same ol song, whitey keep the brutha down, only we're sick of it. Get over it, live with it or blow your brains out. Its all the same to me!

Look who your allies are, a middle aged armchair Marxist and a self loathing white boy.

You sure got something to be proud of.

You lie your ass off, call everyone that doesn't think you are in possession of all your marbles a racist or a fascist, demand answers to questions that are stupid beyond belief and generally try to demand a respect which you don't deserve and most likely never will.

Be gone, most odious, foul spirit and don't let the door hit you in the ass on the way out!

nanc said...

the hand that rocks the cradle, uu is the one that rules the world. think about it before you come up with some dumbass retort.

uptownseteve said...

warren

"Its the same ol song, whitey keep the brutha down, only we're sick of it. Get over it, live with it or blow your brains out. Its all the same to me!"

You are such a pathetic fool.

You've NEVER heard or read anything from me about being kept "down"

I've been stompin racist goobers like you all my life.

"Look who your allies are, a middle aged armchair Marxist and a self loathing white boy."

ON THIS BOARD.

That's why you clons congregate on blogs.

Because you KNOW that you can't hang or debate with normal, intelligent people.

The right is all about ranting and one way conversations. Never DEBATE.

"You lie your ass off, call everyone that doesn't think you are in possession of all your marbles a racist or a fascist, demand answers to questions that are stupid beyond belief and generally try to demand a respect which you don't deserve and most likely never will."

PUH-LEEZE.

I've repeatedly caught you fools in lies and challenged you to prove your racist assertions with facts and you just attack and rant.

Your RESPECT isn't worth a rat turd because most of you are beneath contempt and are only worthy of ridicule and pity.

Check this out Warren.

Beaker said that he banned me, so why are you still directing remarks
TOWARD me?

Because you're a COWARD.

Elmer's Brother said...

So it was after the insane asylum that you joined Nation of Islam?