Tuesday, June 06, 2006

Why did the Soviet Union jail the Jehovas Witnesses

Our resident Commies have not come up with a basic excuse for whole series of behaviors. Yet placing Jehova's Witness in the gulag along with other Christians and scores of Jews remains a fact. Why were the Jehovas Witness sent to the Gulag ?

Among the more interesting relevations in Applebaum's Gulag is more proof of my contention that Communists treat workers worse then private owners. The gulag was a place of contradiction . People who were not political were labeled political prisoners. Moreover, people who were labeled criminal had commited offenses that would be laughed at anywhere else. The father of General Ledbed was sentenced to the gulag for being 20 minutes late to work. The book describes a woman who got sent to the Gulag for taking a pencil home from work.

Yet our resident Red Genocide Denier will come here and bore us with posts that are off topic and boring. Muslim goblins , Head Coffins and Iraq have zero to do with this post. Nor does any of his stupid rhetoric raise a point much less win a point.
What has happened is that good old Beakerkin has unhinged the Commies . They can not respond so they stray off topic.

Why did the Commies jail Jehova's Witnesses ? Why does China persecute practitioners of Falun Gong ? Is this an example of the freedom the Commies wax and spin ? Or is it the freedom to do as I tell you ? They talk about freedom of the press and back states that have state controlled media. They talk about workers rights and sentence people to jail for being late to work. Communism is a lie wrapped in sedition and treason.

129 comments:

John Brown said...

Toady wrote, "Communists treat workers worse then private owners".

And herein, Toady, crystalizes your stupidity and ignorance into a few words.

Communism is defined as the means of production in the hands of those who produce - the workers. Your above "thought" makes no sense.

While some self-proclaimed communists - like your buddy Stalin, for example - exploited workers, he ran the same sort of dictatorship as murderous, dictatorial corporations like Halliburton, Pfizer, Monsanto, and GE.

So just keep sputtering the same drivel about communism while demonstrating total and complete ignorance about it exposes you as a fool.

You're still a coward who won't serialize your little Nazi book and who feels the need to censor people because he can't take a punch.

By posting pure, unadulterated ignorance, you're trying (and failing) to distract from the fact that you sit there, on your knees, sucking off a Nazi-loving President, White European colonialists who were handed a bunch of land by the UN, and drugged-up, racists who run around Iraq in their little cowboy boots executing pregnant women, murdering the handicapped, and running torture gulags and concentration camps.

Justin said...

John Brown you have to be the most ignorant moron I have ever had the sad misfortune to read. Suffice it to say you have exceeded the moronic rants of 167 and believe me I never thought I would find any one who could top him. But, alas you have taken the prize.

So how come your not living in N. Korea or Fidel's little empire. Sounds like they were just made for someone as idiotic as you. Of course they would lop off your head in a heart beat if you opened your sewer riddled mouth.

And those drugged-up racists running around Iraq in their cowboy boots are 10 times the men you could ever hope to be. You continue to bend over spew out of your mouth the crap the commmunist's pump up your butt.

John Brown said...

Justin:

I've never killed a pregnant women. prima facie, that makes you look pretty absurd.

Maybe, instead of telling me to leave the Plantation, you should join up with Uncle Sam's little StormTroopers and prove how brave you are by massacring a handicapped man or two yourself.

Just do so before the heroic mujahideen find a HEAD COFFIN for you.

beakerkin said...

Brown

Why did the Commies jail the Jehovas Witnesses ? Private companies fire people they do not send them to gulags.

Any more spin ?

John Brown said...

Communism is an economic philosophy that puts the means of production in the hands of those who do the labor. And Uncle Sam has the largest prison gulag in the history of the world.

Perhaps you're asking the wrong question based on ignorance, so I'll give you the benefit of the doubt.

Capitalists and their little politicians are the ones with gulags. They exploit the workers and throw those they don't want around in prison on trumped-up charges.

Privatized dictatorships like DynCorp sell them into slavery. Halliburton sends them off to Iraq.

beakerkin said...

Still no response on the Jehova's witness.

Your response on jails and neoslavery in gulags under Marx is laughable.

Step One Why were the Johvas Witnessse jailed ?

John Brown said...

Marx ran a gulag where he kept Jehovas Witnesses? Interesting, Toady. Got a source on that?

Was that before or after he wrote The Grundrise?

I learn something new whenever I come to your site, Toady. Your wisdom serves as a beacon to us all.

Mr. Ducky said...

Beak, surely you know that Jehovah's Witnesses are considered a cult in Russia and are severely restricted even today with the help of the Orthodix Church.

Likewise Falun Gong is considered a moonie like group of loonies in China and suppressed.

Jehovah's Witnesses were unknown in Russia before WW II and the populace is not receptive. They are treated much like our Baptist Fundie brothers and sisters would like to treat muslims.

beakerkin said...

JB

So now we are into Word games the Gulags and Chinese prisons just spring up out of thin air.

Why is China persecuting practitioners of Falun Gong ? Where are your comments on Tibetian settlers ?

The Jehovas Witnesses in Gulags can be found in Applebaum's Gulag .

Why were the Jehova's witnesses placed in Gulags , They were placed there after Stalin's death as well.

John Brown said...

You'll have to ask the Chinese, Toady.

Meanwhile, I asked you for a citation proving that Marx ran JW gulags.

Using religious persecution as a tool to divide the working class is hardly uncommon among the bourgeoisie. It's a good way to keep labor cheap and unorganized, which is the ultimate aim of the capitalist classes in China.

That explains why it has a 10% growth rate, since growth is an expression of capitalist development.

John Brown said...

Wal-Mart exploits labor in China even worse than it does here on the Plantation.

beakerkin said...

Ducky

More rationalizations and bird brained fantasies of the Duck. There is no excuse for the abuses that accompany Marx . Falun Gong even if a cult is less dangerous then Marxists themselves.

Anyone ever see a Jehova's Witness shoot school kids in the back or set up Gulags or Killing Fields?
No excuses rationalization or fantasy for human rights abuses.

John Brown said...

Speaking of using gulags to divide the working class, any interest in explaining why Uncle Sam has the biggest gulag in the history of the world?

John Brown said...

Nobody does a better job of shooting school children than Apartheid Israel. Except, perhaps, Uncle Sam's little drug-headed StormTroopers rampaging throughout Iraq.

And, so far as killing fields go, Uncle Sam's 3,000,000 victims in Vietnam and their bombing and overthrow of the Cambodian government is legendary.

Were it not for Uncle Sam deciding to launch an undeclared war on Cambodia, Pol Pot could have never come to power.

John Brown said...

Good question, Steve,

Toady will do everything to distract people from TODAY'S REALITY.

He wants to avoid - at any cost - talk about how Uncle Sam is getting its ass kicked in Iraq.

Or about UNCLE SAM'S torture chambers and gulags.

Or about how the little European settler colony carved out of Palestine by the UN keeps retreating.

Or about how Bolivia and Venezuela continue to use democracy to accelerate their respective revolutions.

Or about how Uncle Sam is getting played like a fiddle by Iran, who is secure in the knowledge of Uncle Sam's incompetence.

Ain't that right, Toady?

beakerkin said...

You were just leaving Uptown wave goodbye

The minions of Marx resume their anti semitic obsession with Israel.
The question remains why did the Commies jail the Jehovas witnesses.

uptownseteve said...

I guess beaker won't be answering me.

Tell the truth beak.

This whole censoring is because you just hate being exposed, doncha?

beakerkin said...

More to the point I am revealing how shallow and full of it the minions of Marx are.

Why did the Commies Jail the Jehovas Witnesses.

Mr. Ducky said...

MARGIN CALL !!!!

Just joking folks.

beakerkin said...

Wave Goodbye Uptown

This blog is not a special ed class.

beakerkin said...

Again John Brown

This post is not about Israel, Iraq or Colonel Sanders

Why did the Communists Jail the Jehovas Witnesses ?

John Brown said...

"Communism is an economic philosophy that puts the means of production in the hands of those who do the labor."

"Using religious persecution as a tool to divide the working class is hardly uncommon among the bourgeoisie. It's a good way to keep labor cheap and unorganized," which is the ultimate aim of the capitalists in pursuit of 'growth' and profit.

beakerkin said...

John Brown

The same system that jails people for being 20 minutes late to work or taking a pencil from the office
is united. No this sounds like the state has become more oppressive then the capitalists ever were.

John Brown said...

Steve: Why are you still ranting about the nonexistent Soviet Union?

Because he knows he's caught. He's grasping at straws and none of his little Nazi allies have come along to help him.

Uncle Sam kidnaps Muslims and Black people in gulags all the time where it tortures and beats them, but he doesn't condemn that. Hell, he cheers them on. Which just goes to show you that hypocrisy is a way of life for Toady and the Gang.

John Brown said...

Talking shit again by treating silly rumor (probably straight from Uncle Sam's agitprop shop) as fact?

Perhaps you can get into some fantasyland stories about EVIL alCIAda GOBLINS soon, too!

John Brown said...

Despite more than 4x the populaion, China has less people in prison than Uncle Sam.

Why do you think that is, Toady?

beakerkin said...

Still no response John Brown. I do not need help to deal with you. Lets see go check Freedom Houses Ratings of the USA, China, Syria and Cuba and get back to me.

Mr. Ducky said...

Beaker, you asked for a reply on the Jehovah's Witness pogroms and you got one. It was as much a sin of the Russian people and the orthodox Church as it was a responsibility of the totalitarian government.

Our you going to admit that you are tunnel visioned and your ignorance is killing any possibility that you can be a sane voice.

beakerkin said...

Wrong again Duncy

Because right next to the Jehovas Winesses were Russion Orthodox Christians. There were also Jews who merely wanted to leave.

Why was the study of a foriegn language outlawed ? You also know what language was outlawed. More evidence of pathological anti semitism amongst the followers of Marx.

Indeed I think the Jehovas Witnesses have less cult like behavior then Marxists.

John Brown said...

Wow! Freedom House. Perhaps you can do better than citing the NED's money laundering service when you're wanting to make a point.

Why not just cite George Soros.

Or cut out the middleman and cite the NED specifically.

Mr. Ducky said...

What language are you talking about? Ukrainian?

You really are a pinhead.

beakerkin said...

Brown

So now you are complaining about Soros . He isn't far left enough for you.

Ducky: You know what language was outlawed it was Hebrew. More of a series of never ending anti semitism and human rights violations by the sons of Marx.

Hypocrisy Duck

John Brown said...

You're the one citing his ally and NED front group, Toady.

Soros is a great friend of your anti-Semitic Orange Revolutionary in Ukraine.

I know it's hard for a petty bourgeoisie twit like you to believe that a billionaire financier is a ruthless thug. But he is. Worse than BringItOn in a lot of ways.

John Brown said...

Toady,

Where's that citation for the gulags Marx ran?

beakerkin said...

Brown

Lets see Gulags and the Chinese equivalents just pop up out of thin air. This is the old every new Marxism will not make the mistakes of the old. Been there done that and wherever Marx goes death follows.

You calling anyone else ant semitic is a real laugh. Soros isn't far enough to the left for you who is Chairman Mao.

Mr. Ducky said...

Beak, you demented clown. Under Stalin they were speaking more Ukrainian in Canada than in Ukraine. Get a clue you dip.

Your history is not the world's history. Got it.

The original topic was Jehovah's Witnesses. I explained that the pogrom came as much from the Orthodox Church and Russian xenophobia as any distinct policy inherent in communism. Now would you wish to discuss your original question?

John Brown said...

So you're saying that you were lying - that Marx didn't run a gulag? At least you admit to being a liar on this point.

Nobody who lauds pro-Nazi propagands and sucks-off anti-Semitic fake revolutionaries can speak with any legitimacy about anti-Semitism.

beakerkin said...

Ducky

That is a load of rubbish . Lets see the Commies persecute the Jehovas witness so lets blame the Russian Orthodox who sat in the same Gulag. Excuse me Duck but the blame for the persecution of the Witnesses and other Christian lies squarely with the Marxists thugs.

JB

Lets hear your rant about the Orange Revolution.

A Red genocide denier has no credibility on any subject.

John Brown said...

The little Orange Revolution was orchestrated entirely by Uncle Sam through it's little NED election-fixing operation with help from fellow imperialists at Freedom House and the Soros Foundation.

As for the anti-semitism check out here. Proof that Zionists really don't care about anti-Semitism - just as long as you support their perogative to steal Palestine.

Mr. Beamish the Instablepundit said...

LoBrow,

Despite more than 4x the populaion, China has less people in prison than Uncle Sam.

But the Chinese Communists more than make up for the disparity between US and Chinese prison populations by putting people in mass graves.

LoBrow,

Although it is granted that as a leftist, given the infinite number of things you could possibly say you're going to always efficiently zero in on saying whatever convinces the most people that you're an idiot, don't you agree the "communism has never been tried" schtick you're employing in this thread is a little lame?

beakerkin said...

Brown

How do Jews steal a land from which they are clearly indigenous ?

Mr. Ducky said...

Beak, the church hierarchy were sent to the camps? Please give documentation or are you blowing stuff out your ass again.

Once again, the Russian people and the Orthodox Church disliked Jehovah's Witnesses. Stalin wanted forced labor on the Gulags so the JW's were perfect candidates.

They were a target of opportunity.

John Brown said...

Toady,

If by "clearly", you mean, "according to my 5000 year old sorcery-based myth that I thoughtlessly ascribe to much like my fantasyland belief in EVIL alCIAda GOBLINS", you've got a point.

For those of us living in the real world, we treat seriously that a bunch of European Colonialists were given a patch of land by their allies - the UN - back in 1947 on which to create an ethnically pure Apartheid State.

John Brown said...

Summarizing the latest from CENSORMAN the LEFTIST:

"leftist"...

He's getting better!

John Brown said...

Uptown Steve wrote: "I'll bet a limb that bealer will produce absolutely NOTHING in the way of proof or documentation."

No doubt. There's about as much chance of him producing evidence as there is of CENSORMAN the LEFTIST effectively whitewashing Uncle Sam's prison gulag - with it's rape rooms and torture chambers.

beakerkin said...

Ducky

I suggest you read Applebaum's Gulag, Scharansky's memoir and the Black Book of Communism there were plenty of Russian Orthodox in the camps.

Brown

Try reading any reputable archealogical survey of the area. You can whine but it remains an undispitable fact that Jews are indigenous to Israel.

Uptown

Wave Goodbye.

John Brown said...

Toady,

In 1947, the UN handed some European colonialists part of Palestine.

All the nonsense you jabber about prior to that date is fantasy.

Myth.

Sorcery.

beakerkin said...

Brown

Fantasy and Socery is the stuff that Marxs disasterous theories are made of.

Every reputable history backed by archeaological surveys backs that assessment. Not one shred of evidence connect Palestinians with Phillestiens, Finklesteins or Phyliss Diller.

John Brown said...

Have you heard of the phrase, "Historical Materialism."

That's ground zero (not EVIL alCIAda GOBLINS ground zero) for Marx, and it refers to looking at the objective realities as they are.

Considering your obsession with debunking Marx, it could really benefit you to actually read some. Because right now you're making an ass of yourself by wallowing in your own ignorance and stupidity.

John Brown said...

Uptown Steve wrote: It's amazing isn't it?

An Arab who was born on what is now called Israel prior to 1948 cannot return to the land of his birth but a Jew from Canarsie can.

Unreal.


Amen, Steve. Even when you get used to it, the shallow hypocrisy of these religous zealots is really staggering. I guess, when you need to believe in something so badly, you just will it to be true.

John Brown said...

I nearly had to pick myself off the floor when Toady recommended Scharansky's memoir.

He must have picked that up after the Nazi-lover BringItOn told him about it.

Ought to be a great read, Duck! I'm sure it's world class stuff.

beakerkin said...

Uptown

Nice of you to drop in Goodbye.

Lets see Arabs have tons of real estate and are not indigenous to Israel . They colonized the area in the seventh century a mere 2600 years after the Jews were there.

History has debunked Marx and only flat earth insane types pursue a genocidal philosophy of death. 100,000,000 is not enough dead so let us have a number when this madness stops. History has rendered its verdict on Marx and its accolytes.

Excuse me but you keep returning to Israel and the Jooos . Thank you for making my case about the Marxist obsession with Jooooooos.

beakerkin said...

JB

What was Scharansky's crime wanting to leave the workers paradise ? A state that actively discriminated against Jooooos. Why was Scharansky in the Gulag ?

Mr. Ducky said...

Beak, are you learning disabled? really, are you limited in some way?

I asked if the Church hierarchy were in the camps. Was the church persecuted?

Were people put in the camps because they were expressly members of the orthodox Church?

I have read Applebaum's outstanding book and she gives no indication that the church hierarchy was expressly targeted.

The Black Book is crap.

Now I will point out that members of the Ukrainian Orthodox Church were targeted but probably more for being Ukrainian than for being Orthodox.

Chinese and Koreans were often given the honor of becoming zeks as well as central Asians. Stalinism went after minorities for the slave labor program in the camps.

So once again beak, why were Jehovah's Witnesses in the Gulag? Because they were an unpopular minority and Stalin used that as well as the orthodox Church's bigotry to supply labor.

The Othodox Church was bigoted and abused minorities much like the Jewish church does today in Israel and Occupied Palestine.

John Brown said...

Aside from supporting Apartheid Israeli land theft, he's committed no crime.

He's just a moron. Not unlike Coulter the Hermaphrodite.

John Brown said...

Again, Toady,

To preserve what little remains of your dignity and self-worth, try reading Marx first, and then criticizing it.

Nobody expects that you'll understand it - it's not too tough but still way over your head - but it will add to your extremely limited credibility to at least make the effort!

beakerkin said...

Say goodnight Uptown

Mr. Ducky said...

Better yet Beak, read Solzhenytsyn and report back. When you pretend to understand I'll send you off researching his antisemitism and we can go down the road that demonstrates it was a very nasty quality in the Russian people but not something that came with Communism.

In fact you were probably in less danger under Stalin than under the czars.

beakerkin said...

Ducky

You need to reread Applebaum and clerics of all denomonation ended up in the Gulag. This oppression and history of human rights abuses is not an opinion Duck it is a fact.

Brown

Jews can not steal land from which they are indigenous . Moreover they won that Land in a war that the Sons of Allah started.

However the topic remains why did the Communists put the Jehovas Witnesses in the Gulag. I will provide the answer because Communists are despotic vermin.

Both you and the Duck are red genocide deniers. Felis and She Designs know a tad more about Communism as they lived under it. History has rendered its verdict and you are failures.

beakerkin said...

Duncy

Antisemitism is a near universal pathology in Communist history since day one. I am well aware of the history of Eastern Europe but these posts demonstrate my point.

What does this post have to do with Jews but you commies can't help yourselves. It is part of the disease that makes you insane to coherent people.

Mr. Ducky said...

Beak, which figure on gulag deaths do you accept, Applebaum's or the bullshit filled Black Book?

beakerkin said...

I will stick with the Black book .
However either way the Neo slavery that accompanies Marx is quite evident.

Mr. Ducky said...

Why are you usng the Black Book? Because the number is higher?

Appelbaum (whom you haven't read) took her figures directly from the Soviet archives. Why do you ignore her much lower figure?

If you haven't noticed Beak, your cornermen are screaming "Stay down, stay down".

Mr. Beamish the Instablepundit said...

Antisemitism was present in Europe well before Marx and Engels made a point of codifying it as a principle of their "class struggle."

The Zionist movement began in Europe's atmosphere of Marxist proto-Nazis.

beakerkin said...

Ducky

I do not need cornermen to deal with you or Brown. Secondly Felis and plenty of others will be along later. We have plenty of visitors from Bad Eagle today as my Dr Yeagley interview is running there.

You are apologists for genocide and have no facts. The continunig bait and shift dance to Israel and the Jews of the three stooges proves my point over who is obsessed with Jooooos.

Brown is a moron who has not read any genuine history. How many failures do you need ? I hear excuses , spin excuses spin followed by shift to the Joos and Israel.

Your attempts to blame the internment of the Jehovas witnesses
on anyone other then the Communist criminals who ran the Gulag is spin.

John Brown said...

I'm wondering if Dumb and Dumber are even aware that Marx was Jewish?

JINGOIST said...

JB he was born a Jew, but the disgusting little religion he conjured kinda disqualified him in a BIG WAY!!

Morgan

beakerkin said...

I am wondering if John Brown knows the most virulent anti semite Norman Finklestein is as well. Marx's writtings speak for themselves. However Warren gave you a whole slew of quotes that Marx was in favor of slavery and you clammed up. Typical commie behavior.

Norman Finklestein is long associated with Commies but calls himself Green.

JINGOIST said...

Beaker I got a chuckle reading the thread. Rational people have a dilemma when dealing with the flat earth denizens of the far left. You understand the nature of this far better than I.
For instance someone points out the inherant evil of communism based on the gulags and the millions of people murdered in those horrible slave camps. If you're particularly astute maybe you even came with old KGB records to make your arguments. Many of those were made public after Gorby left the scene.
A typical Marxist answer: ALL CIA LIES!!


How do you deal with that type of behavior? I see ducky and John Brown answer in this fashion all the time. Over at FPM commie4ever is a pro at that.
What do you suggest?

Morgan

JINGOIST said...

Beak, Norm Finklestein is one of those guys I'd LOVE to get alone in a dark alley......what a putz!
Some people have a unique talent for getting under your skin.
Morgan

beakerkin said...

Morgan

When dealing with the demented far left one must stay on topic. We asked about the Jehovas witnesses and got excuses from Ducky. Blaming the Russian people and the Orthodox Church for sending people to Commie Run and administered Gulags is a joke.

Then point out the drift into Anti Semitism and fantasy anti Americanism. I still never got an answer all day from the commies.

One is not dealing with rational people and in the case of Brown borderline coherent. Yet they come every day like moths drawn to the light.

Mr. Beamish the Instablepundit said...

LoBrow,

Your stunted intellectual adherence to leftism's haphazard way of assigning deterministic origins of behavior to unsubstantiable "inherent qualities" in various ethnic groupings, while maintaining the racist motivations of your ideology, does nothing to alleviate the demonstration of stupidity you provide (courtesy of leftist thought) when you think Karl Marx can't be both anti-Semitic and Jewish.

Mustang said...

Who knows why communists do anything . . . but we know that Marx believed “religion is the opium of the masses.” I have no doubt he was speaking of the hold that religion had on everyone in the 19th Century, whether Catholic, Protestant, or Zionist, or whether one was living in Europe or in the Americas. Horrific things have been done in the cause of religion. And History shows us that communist regimes are very big on the incarceration of anyone who they deem to be threatening to them. In Asia, communists call gulags “re-education camps.” Internment was designed to shut people up.

Now as much as I disagree with much of what Marx had to say, I think it is true that religion, for some, is like opium. How else can we explain the radicals of Islam? And we might point out that all religious distortion enables the implementation of personal agendas. Perhaps this is why I believe that God gave us brains in order that we can figure things out for ourselves. People have the capacity to reason, but it is equally true that too many people aren’t using that tool. Whether we are speaking about communism or radical elements of a religion, a despot is a despot.

beakerkin said...

Amen Mustang

Warren said...

I wish you would have kept "shit stain" busy for a while longer.

Since he was using extortion to try and make me reply to his delusional claims, I acceded to his demands.

Now he has closed his blog to comments and is deleting my posts!

I'm being CENSORED by CENSORMAN

I tried so hard to make him happy... (sigh)


;^)

Brooke said...

BWAAHAAHAAA! I wonder if he'll add himself to his little "klanwatch?"

beakerkin said...

Warren

The first part of my David Yeagley interview is up on Bad Eagle. It is in the Jewish Forum. So far it is excellent.

I will write a post later tonight.

Justin said...

John Brown Said:

Just do so before the heroic mujahideen find a HEAD COFFIN for you.

Yes, John your heroic mujahideen that pull un-armed students off a bus and slaughtered them. Set Bombs off in market places where they can make a maximum kill of pregnant women, innocent children, handi-capped men. Yes, John YOUR HEROIC MUJAHIDEEN.

I fought people like YOU AND YOUR HEROIC MUJAHIDEEN in Viet-Nam who cut the hands off kids on a school bus, gouged their eyes out,and cut out their toungs. Their only crime John they wanted to go to school but your HEROS didnt want them to have that freedom and the list goes on and on.

John if I had my way it wouldnt be asking you to leave the "Plantation" as you call it. I would be personally delivering your ignorant BUTT to them.

You John are a coward you sit in your comfortable little space and spew out your venom. Put your money where your mouth is go there and live then come back and tell me how wonderful it is. Of course Im sure you would find it so much a Utopia you would never leave.

JINGOIST said...

That is crux of it, isn't it Justin? These wackos extoll the virtues of their "worker's paradises" but live off the bounty of this country. They never stop to wonder why the poorest 10% of Americans usually have at least one functioning car, a refrigerator, stereo, a roof over their head, 2 TVs, plenty of clothes and never need to go hungry.
In sorry ass communist countries these things qualify you as one of the elite.
This bounty isn't MAGIC? It's free market capitalism!
We could only wish that the SOB's who dream of communism would make good on it and go live in Cuba or China. Maybe JB could work in a Chinese slave labor camp making Christmas lights for a family in Witchita.



Morgan

MissingLink said...

Just for the record:

The main target of the anti-religious campaign in the 1920s and 1930s was the Russian Orthodox Church, which had the largest number of faithful. Nearly all of its clergy, and many of its believers, were shot or sent to labor camps. Theological schools were closed, and church publications were prohibited. By 1939 only about 500 of over 50,000 churches remained open.
Source: http://www.ibiblio.org/expo/soviet.exhibit/anti_rel.html

beakerkin said...

Felis

I do not understand what is the matter with the Duck. Clergy of almost all denominations were early targets of Communist round ups. This is fairly basic information.

MissingLink said...

...read Solzhenytsyn and report back. When you pretend to understand I'll send you off researching his antisemitism ....

Finally, Soviet propaganda was not without its effect. Soviet attempts to cast doubt upon Solzhenitsyn's writing, for example, to paint him as a madman or an anti-Semite or a drunk, had some impact.
Source: Anne Applebaum: GULAG: A History

http://www.anneapplebaum.com/gulag/intro.html

Justin said...

Jingoist: My Mama told me not to attack Mentally challenged Morons like JB But, then when did I listen to what my Mama told me about cowards like JB :)

He is so like so many others who sit behind a screen and rant their pig sty bilge ideas on how great and wonderful the likes of their HEROIC MUJAHIDEEN, their Heroic Communist parties that oppress the very people they say they liberate are.

Perhaps John would like to explain article 3 of the Communist USA Constitution

SECTION 3. After a thorough discussion in any club, committee or convention, decisions are arrived at by majority vote. All members, including those who disagree, are duty bound to explain, fight for and carry out such decisions, as long as they do not conflict with national policies and decisions.

This article clearly shows that they are not allowed to espouse your own thoughts and feelings if you disagree with what the ajority decides.

Thats Real Freedom John Brown would you care to tell me how great it is that you will never be able to disagree with them.

John you need to keep ranting because you are the best thing that captilist America could have. Everytime you espouse your moronic ideas and hate speech it shows the rest of us why we will never let Idiots like you behind the wheel.

beakerkin said...

Felis

I guess that was a serving of roast duck. Yet I can not see how he fails to see a pattern. Every time Marx is put into practice people die and suffer.

We are having two different conversations. You and I talk about history and he is talking about faith.

MissingLink said...

Beak,
The points you are making are under attack for the same reason Soviet propaganda tried to discredit Solzhenitsyn.

It wasn't that the soviet communists didn't know, it wasn't a personal attack on Solzhenitsyn, the battle was to win over the Western 'middle ground'.

JINGOIST said...

Felis thank you for that post at 8:17. The fact that their 1st target was the Russian Orthodox Church fits perfectly with communism eliminating what it views to be a competing religion. No matter what THEIR justification for this "pogrom" was, they were getting rid of the competition. I've always said that the all-powerful state is an insanely jealous god.

Morgan

uptownseteve said...

Damn beaker,

You purged John Brown too?

Why are you righties so afraid of debate?

And why are you discussing COMMUNISM?

The system has been defeated and discredited.

I guess if you can't credibly accuse your ideological foes of "fanatical Islamism" you can always call them "communists".

What a dolt.

JINGOIST said...

Uppy you may have noticed that JB and ducky's posts are peppered throughout the thread. If beak was going to purge Mugabe's buddies he would have done a more thorough job eh?


Morgan

JINGOIST said...

Also Uppy you claim us righties are afraid to debate. Name ONE major lefty site where conservatives and libertarians are given HALF the freedom of speech that lefties get here, at FPM or ANY right wing site. Don't bother, it's impossible. So much for that claim.

Morgan

uptownseteve said...

I see a few of my posts as well jingo.

I guess ol' beak hasn't figured out how to block his opponents from entering his blog.

Maybe he could contact LaShawn Barber for some tips.

Funny that you should bring up Mugabe.

He takes over white farms in his country that were acquired during white colonization and you demonize him.

Israel bogards Arab homes and property as well as erecting a fence to keep them out and you say they're justified?

Righties aren't much for consistency, are they?

Robert Bayn said...

I'm just wondering, if America is the "plantation" why not just leave and go somewhere "better", i mean no one says you have stay on the "plantation".

JINGOIST said...

Most of those farms were actually legitimately purchased and the farmers and their hired help fed the people of Zimbabwe with the crops from those farms. Mass starvation is setting in and your buddy Mugabe is THE ONE DIRECTLY RESPONSIBLE!!! You lefties defend every dictator thug. What's wrong with you?


Morgan

uptownseteve said...

jingo

You've gotta be kidding.

The so-called "lefty" sites and blogs that I've posted on like the NY Times.com, Black Commentator, and Steve Gillard's blog WELCOME rightwingers and give them all the space they want to express their views.

But righties are only happy when they can rant with no challenge.

Air America Radio doesn't even screen callers like rightwing radio does.

Why don't you ever see strong, articulate black spokesmen like Farai Chedaya, Derek McGinty, Lisa Jones, George Curry or Derrick Jackson on Fox TV?

Because the Fox cowards know that these people would rip them to shreds and put and end to all the sophistry and lies perpetuated by that vile media cesspool.

Instead, everytime there is a "race" issue to be discussed, they bring out the handkerchief heads like McWhorter, Steele and Innis.

If there is an "opposing view" Fox props up milquetoasts like Clarence Page.

puh-leeze.

uptownseteve said...

bayn

Who said America was the "plantation"?

Do you converse with disembodied voices often?

uptownseteve said...

jingo

Purchased from WHOM????

The goddamnned colonialists who took the land by force from the indigenous people who worked it and live there for generations.

Western markets are punishing Mugabe for his actions and refusing to give market prices for Zimbabwean crops and products.

Mr. Beamish the Instablepundit said...

Uptownseteve,

Why are you righties so afraid of debate?

I'd love a debate, however leftists, being the intellectual equivalent of static channels, wouldn't know the first thing about participating in one.


And why are you discussing COMMUNISM?

I happen to like the way Beak's discussing communism brings on what I like to call the "leftist idiot dance." This is where LoBrow looks at the ugly of communist history and declares that "communism" has never been tried, while Ducky finds a way to blame the victims of communist oppression for their suffering under glorious "communism" and you, well you piss in the punchbowl with:

"The system has been defeated and discredited."

Watching leftists meander and twist among themselves about communism is almost as entertaining as burning ants with sunlight and a magnifying glass, only not as strenuous.

JINGOIST said...

You still haven't addressed the fact that JB's posts were NOT purged. In that case why did you say it? Also BS about Airhead America. I was driving through Atlanta about a year ago and tuned into Randy Rhodes as she was ranting about GITMO. I called ASAP and was kept waiting on the line as I sat in traffic for two hours. ONLY America hating leftists were allowed to talk on that hateful trolls show. I finally hung up and she allowed NO conservative voices.
Also I was allowed a small amount of posting freedom at the Alternet, no posting freedom at all at DU or DailyKos. NONE
You seem to have a remarkable talent for telling it like it ain't uppy.

Morgan

uptownseteve said...

jingo

I listen to Air America in my car every day and gleefully enjoy Franken, Miller, Schultz and Rhodes make mincemeat of the boneheaded righties who call in.

I was listening to the local rightwing idiot in DC, Michael Graham, last year when he was ranting about how the opposition to the Washington football teams name "The Redskins" was "political correctness".

I called in and lied, told the screener that I was a lifelong Republican, and they let me through.

Then I asked Graham how long would a sports team called the "Detroit Dagoes" or the "Houston Hebes" would be tolerated.

Know what he did?

He hung up on me.

Didn't even ATTEMPT to answer.

THAT's what YOUR side is about.

JINGOIST said...

He hung up on you for the same reason you admitted to me, YOU FRIKKIN LIED!!
He knew that you weren't a Republican when you said something that stupid, so he did what most talk shows do when confronted by liars, he moved on to honest callers.
Are you smart enough to know that you just hurt your cause badly?

Morgan

FLORIAN said...

Uptown idiot has always been a liar! He's also a socio-pathic sexual harrasser of women too!
LaShawn ought to throw his black ass in jail.

Mad Zionist said...

Uncle Tom, you spit on black people everyday by pretending they are all living in a "Leave it to Beaver" episode. You're the one poor blacks want to make their bitch, Sambo. People like me want to help them help themselves while you imagine they don't exist.

Wake up, Uncle Tom, your only hope for making a friend is with a white PHD Marxist.

JINGOIST said...

Flo he hasn't even addressed the BS I caught him at here on this thread. He is in fact a BS artist.


Morgan

FLORIAN said...

Or Louis Farrakhan, his racist idol. Upclown makes black America sound like Mayberry--when in reality it's more like House Party.

FLORIAN said...

You can never address anything with Uptown since he always weasles his way out of everything. He's just another slick-tongued chimp who doesn't feel he should be held accountable to the same standards as everybody else. Just like I busted him last week with his denial of sexually harrassing Lashawn Barber--he told Beak to produce the quote and if he did he'd leave...well I did it for Beaker and then he went back on his word. As you can see, he's not only irresponsible, he's a first class clown-liar.
He'll weasel his way out of anything, and he thinks he can get away with it because the rest of America lowers the bar for blacks--here we hold everybody accountable to the same standard...and he's toast.

JINGOIST said...

Oh does he love calypso the lip Louis? Ohhhh tell me you're kidding. I'm gonna crash now Flo. Customers await me tomorrow and like any good free market capitalist I'm gonna make them very happy and sell them as much as I possibly can. What a GREAT country this is Flo!


Morgan

FLORIAN said...

It sure is Morgan! Especially when half of your salary goes to fund the welfare state of America. You gotta work--otherwise how would all those lazy bums in America afford those Waffle House and Golden Corral buffet meals--and buy all that bling! GOD BLESS AMERICA!

uptownseteve said...

LOL!!!!!

jingo, I asked the stupid f^ck a legitimate question which he was unable to answer honestly without revealing himself to be hypocritical racist.

Duh.

Robert Bayn said...

Uptown, i know reading is not your thing, but John Brown said that at the top, 3 comments down, thats (one, two, three) just use your mouse drag the arrow over the slider and move it up to the top and look for the name J-O-H-N B-R-O-W-N, if you need further help, just ask.

uptownseteve said...

florian

I told BEAKER to produce the quote because he claimed that I threatened Barber and that proved to be a lie.

He never even saw my comment and went off on a rant spurred on by your sorry a$$.

If Barber had grounds to take action against me she would have by now.

And if she can claim sexual harrassment by me then I can certainly claim racial harassment by you pathetic bigots.

But, let's be honest flo.

What you REALLY hate about me is the fact that you can't intimidate me.

You morons thrive on gang attacks and smears and it frustrates you to no end that I spit in your faces through it all.

You're maggots, to be stepped on.

Mr. Beamish the Instablepundit said...

Robert Bayn,

Thank you for serving as an example of the difference between liberals (who can use their brains, when provoked) and leftists (who have no brain to use).

I didn't mean that as a backhanded insult, but, what can I say. I'm not leftist enough to be near-stupid.

uptownseteve said...

bayn

Many of my posts are still here too and I'm supposed to be banned.

What's your point IDIOT?

Robert Bayn said...

You asked who said Plantation, that was the point, IDIOT.

beakerkin said...

Uptown

Lets get a few facts.

You did sexually harass La Shawn and I saw the quote as is.

Number two La Shawn and I run sites and posting at them is not a right it is a privilige granted with the expectation of civil behavior. Do notice Ducky dissents and has never been threatened with deletion.

Most bloggers will honor honest dissent in the name of free speech.
Your attack on La Shawn was personal raised no valid points and was sexual harassment.

As far as racial harassment on this blog go ahead and sue. Your own posts on FPM and elsewhere will be held up.

You made an offer to leave the offer was met and now you are weaseling on your word. This is fairly typical of the word games you play.

The other thing you seem to forget is that I set the agenda here. This is my blog and you have zero say in what topics are posted. Nor do you get to ask any questions or demand sources. Most of your questions are common knowledge and show your ignorance on a plethora of subjects.

Honor your word and go. Florian has offered to take you in.

Mr. Ducky said...

Beamish, how 'bout a chorus of "Free Bird"?

As long as you crackers are going to destroy American culture you can at least be entertaining. Although if I had a choice between your iPod or the crappy slasa being blaired by the illegal at the self serve I'd probably gas up.

Mr. Ducky said...

Yeah, I know there are typos above.

Elmer's Brother said...

hey ducky - the free bird thing is a little over used, I suggest you consult your joke book for something else and something funny, perhaps you could call us the NASCAR crowd or something original like that..just trying to help

uptownseteve said...

How about the "Redneck Wannabes, Yeshiva Chapter"?

beakerkin said...

Uptown I live with the genuine article and have experience no bigotry what so ever. The only time I experience anti semitism is from people like yourself who are on the far left.

John Brown said...

Hey Justin,

When you were serving as cannon fodder for JFK, LBJ, and Nixon did you napalm any Vietnamese? Or did you prefer to just burn down whole villages?

Or did you train the little death squads Uncle Sam was buying off at the time?

Of the 3,000,000 people that Uncle Sam killed in its little invasion of Vietnam (also based on lies), how many did you take out?

John Brown said...

Sambo Warren the Injun Killer,

For to have deleted your posts, I would have had to violate the time-space continuum.

All 30 or 40 of them that you left are up so far as I can tell.

You have, however, deleted mine again, I see.

John Brown said...

Robert,

How did so may white people come to own so much land in Zimbabwe, anyway? They certainly don't look indigenous.

Perhaps you can give us a brief history lesson.

Mr. Beamish the Instablepundit said...

Ducky,

Be sure to visit the anonymous art exhibition in the service station's rest room. I understand Shitstained Glory Hole is a leftist crowd pleaser.

Robert Bayn said...

How did so may white people come to own so much land in Zimbabwe, anyway?

Honestly i don't care, unlike "some" people i'm not obcessed with racism, but i will happily pay for your trip to Zimbabwe to fix the problem there, if you promise to stay.

John said...

John Brown, John Brown lies molding in his grave. Isnt that the way it goes John Brown.

You let your ignorance show again, you let your alligator mouth over load your humming bird (and I put this nicely for respect to beak and other readers) BUTT.

It wasnt me and Uncle Sam. It was me and Captain America who fought there so scum like you could get your free welfare cheese, your free computers, your free internet and your free cable then bite the hand that feeds you. And spew your Racist Dribble. Oh,wipe your chin John your drooling.

You know John, I just dont understand why people like you who hate this country so much and attack anyone who does love it just dont go live where they would be welcome.

Could it be:
The Welfare Check?
The Free Cheese?
The fact that you know if you opened your mouth there you would be immediately done away with.

John Brown you are the lowest of the low lifes. You are a bonafied liar, Hate Monger, and a Racist to boot.

You talk a good game about your heros but I dont see you putting your butt on the line to help them. No doubt like all your hero vermin once caught you would squeal and cower like the cornered sewer rat you are.

Oh yeah John I almost forgot it wasnt 3,000,000 it was 3,000,001 you missed the one in the rat hole.

Now you little neanderthal Im through playing with you. (Tosses you back in the sewer you crawled out of) Enjoy your welfare cheese.

Elmer's Brother said...
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Elmer's Brother said...

jb probably has his lackey hassan pick up the cheese, got to keep up appearances

Jeff Bargholz said...

john Browneye,

Uncle Sam didn't invade South Vietnam, he was invited. The US fought to protect the Vietnamese from the communist depradations of the North. The Vietcong and NVA committed unspeakable atrocities against the vietnamese people on a daily basis.

Where's your moral outrage?

Why do you think Blacks have more right to land they didn't earn in Zimbabwe than Whites who earned theirs with blood and toil? Is there a racial component to land ownership? Does the color of a person's skin give him land ownership rights? The Black Zimbabweans aren't any more indigenous to the land than White Zimbabweans. They ARE more incompetent and psychotic. No wonder you favor them. Robert Mugabe--the Black hitler--is starving Black Zimbabweans with his racist policy of stealing farm land from hard-working Whites and giving it to shiftless black cronies.

Where's your moral outrage?

You don't care a whit about blacks or other non-whites. You just hate White people, pure and simple. You're a self-loathing fraud.

When you commit suicide it will be the only thing you ever did that other people approve of. Get on with it, psycho.

Jeff Bargholz said...

Duckshit,

you city-boy inbreds cause all of America's problems. If you mongoloids would add some country blood to your debased gene-pool, your kids would be able to ride the long bus and walk without a leash.

The salsa music you hate is a by-product of your open door immigration policies. Why am I not surprised that you hate the people you foist on the rest of us?

Gas-up to your I-Pod tunes of Clay Aiken and Frankie Goes To hollywood. Dont forget the vaseline.

Elmer's Brother said...

Jeff don't forget Boy George..they like him too.