Felis is undoubtedly aware of Communist attempts after WWI to invade Poland. Chapter 6 of Katyn has some interesting history that most of us are unaware of . Poland like Israel, Greece and Spain did not exist of a while. Yet after WW1 the Poles fought for independence and initially had great sucsess.
However the tides of battle turned and there is some interesting history.Communist were imperialist from the beginings of the Bolshevik era. Stalin initally wanted no part of a communist invasion of Poland." It would be easier to saddle a cow then establish communism in Poland" Stalin. Yet Lennin dreamed of Polish peasants flocking to Bolshevik misrule.
Polish intelligence had made some important discoveries. A university of Warsaw Mathematics Professor Stefan Mazurkiewicz broke the Commie codes. With this information the Poles were able to kick Commie tail in a battle known as Miracle of the Vistula. More then 100,000 commie soldiers were taken prisoner of war. Contary to modern delusions early Bolshevik soldiers were not known for fighting spirit. They were fair weather soldiers who quickly surrendered when the battle did not go their way. Obviously the folks at NYU and the New School for Communist subversion are still trying to revoke Prof Mazurkiewicz credentials for his patriotic duty to defending his own country.
Chapter six of Katyn by Allen Paul does go into detail about the realities of the Nazi - Soviet diabolical alliance to carve up Central Europe. The Gestapo and NKVD did hold meetings and coordinate their efforts to oppress the Polish people. 1,250,000 Poles were deported to Siberia in a series of moves that clearly were ethnic cleansing. Yet these same Marxist feign ignorance of their own history and point the finger at Israel for crimes they commited. No doubt John Brown will deny the etnic cleansing of Poland and placing Mooooslims in cattle cars. Ducky will blame the Russian people and claim this has zero to do with Marx and Uptown will say Duhhhhhhh before I delette him. The meetings between the gestapo and NKVD are mentioned on page 65 and took place in Krackow, Lvov and Zakopane.
No doubt the three stooges will now go into spin mode. Communist were alies of the Nazis and this is not surprising given that they are both amoral ideaologies. WEB Dubois was effusive in his support for Nazism but this is airbrushed today. In the words of Daniel Flynn Communism was not the polar opposite of Nazism but merely its rival.
Mr Beamish in 08, Ducky and Ernie to wed in MA yech, 167 still with zero readers, Socrasleaze aborted, Uptown rated less intelligent then produce and John Brown to go to Gitmo be beheaded and have his IQ raised,
Prediction the three stooges wlll spin this coversation around to Jooooos and Israel. They can't help themselves as they are Marxist Elmer Fudd anti semitic types.
When will Veggietown figure out that this blogs major theme is anticommunism. I have been firmly anti Marxist for at least twenty five years.
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Beak,
That's where you and I have different focus. You primarily target Marxist communism, a major component of modern leftist ideologies, whereas I like to take on the entire palette of leftist thought, which includes Robespierre and Hitler, among others.
Marx and Engels were superstar twits among twits, but let's not forget the other twits.
Maybe we should get the three stooges take on if Trotsky or Lenin were more leftist than the other.
My parents were involved in WWII, they knew and spoke to those who were affected most by that war! I had a boss who was a young girl in Germany when the war occurred. Hello, 3 stooges, are you listening? Communists and nazis were allies, until they got into each others way! A marriage of convenience as it were. It was the nazis who found the bodies of Polish officers in the forest, murdered by the communists! They called the Red Cross to come in and document the atrocity! I had friends who had Polish and Czech relatives still living under communism at that time. It isn't even remotely amusing to hear the excuses and denials by those three. The rapes, thefts, destruction by the communists are well remembered by those who experienced it! Reality bites guys, HARD!
Good morning and G*D bless!
tmw
Ducky,
That's some awfully fiery rhetoric, but you're centering your argument around the wholly indefensible premise that leftists are actually physically capable of rational thought.
Breathe slowly, and reread my comment above. I said "...I like to take on the entire palette of leftist thought, which includes Robespierre and Hitler, among others."
Now doesn't your statement "You conflate anything you consider "leftist" with communist Russia seem a little hamstrung by your obvious inattention to detail?
Run along. Brush the crayon specks off of your teeth and try again.
Unlike Communist, Tsarist Russia never turned it's warfare into mass executions and genocide.
All totalitarian systems turn into epansion as they cannot sustain their economies on a long run.
If for one reason or another expansion is not possible - internal purges are necessary to keep the society nice and timid.
Just a bit of personal trivia:
My both granfathers fought in 1919-20 war, which war the Soviet propaganda tried to sell as part of the Western intervention.
(Like Solzenitsyn's anti-semitism).
Of course Western fellow travellers and 'useful idiots' always try to help.
Just for the record.
Fascism was a totalitarian, political movement that ruled Italy from 1922 to 1943 under the leadership of Benito Mussolini.
This is its political platform:
The Manifesto was published in Il Popolo d'Italia (the newspaper directed by Mussolini) on June 6, 1919
Italians! Here is the program of a genuinely Italian movement. It is revolutionary because it is anti-dogmatic, strongly innovative and against prejudice.
For the political problem: We demand:
a) Universal suffrage polled on a regional basis, with proportional representation and voting and electoral office eligibility for women.
b) A minimum age for the voting electorate of 18 years; that for the office holders at 25 years.
c) The abolition of the Senate.
d) The convocation of a National Assembly for a three-years duration, for which its primary responsibility will be to form a constitution of the State.
e) The formation of a National Council of experts for labour, for industry, for transportation, for the public health, for communications, etc. Selections to be made from the collective professionals or of tradesmen with legislative powers, and elected directly to a General Commission with ministerial powers.
For the social problems: We demand:
a) The quick enactment of a law of the State that sanctions an eight-hour workday for all workers.
b) A minimum wage.
c) The participation of workers' representatives in the functions of industry commissions.
d) To show the same confidence in the labour unions (that prove to be technically and morally worthy) as is given to industry executives or public servants.
e) The rapid and complete systemization of the railways and of all the transport industries.
f) A necessary modification of the insurance laws to invalidate the minimum retirement age; we propose to lower it from 65 to 55 years of age.
For the military problem: We demand:
a) The institution of a national militia with a short period of service for training and exclusively defensive responsibilities.
b) The nationalization of all the arms and explosives factories.
c) A national policy intended to peacefully further the Italian national culture in the world.
For the financial problem: We demand:
a) A strong progressive tax on capital that will truly expropriate a portion of all wealth.
b) The seizure of all the possessions of the religious congregations and the abolition of all the bishoprics, which constitute an enormous liability on the Nation and on the privileges of the poor.
c) The revision of all military contracts and the seizure of 85 percent of the profits therein."
MissingLink,
My goodness. The Fascists sure seemed to toot the leftist horn. I challenge anyone to find something "right-wing" in that laundry list of socialistic pap.
For a real giggle, compare the items called for in the 1920 Nazi Party platform to what leftists claim to want today.
For fun, you could print up a copy of ol' lefty Schickelgruber's Mein Kampf, replacing each instance of the word "Jews" with "the rich" and "German" with "American" and come up with a damned near indistinguishable paraphrase of Democrat talking points.
Ducky- Numbers don't matter as to what is right and wrong! If you hold a view that is correct and eveyone around you continue to hold wrong views, do you give up your right for thier wrong? Stealing is wrong, if you are the only one who refuses to steal do thier actions, though in the majority, make theft right? I do not think so! If we have differing views a time will come when one of us will be proved right, majority does not influnce my sense of right and wrong. Does it you?
Good morning to all and G*D bless!
tmw
Beamish find out where those talking points come from.
http://elmersbro.bloghi.com/2006/01/28/liberals-search-for-talking-points.html
Mr. Beamish
The NSDAP platform is even closer to the Communist Manifesto.
The NSDAP platform is even closer to the Communist Manifesto.
Yes. Nazism borrowed from both Mussolini's fascism (leftist) and Marx (leftist).
There is absolutely nothing right-wing about Nazism, and never was.
Leftism can't be appeased. It must be destroyed.
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