Thursday, June 29, 2006

Coulter on Abortion

Unlike most on this blog I am pro abortion. I do not mingle words like choice or play absurd word games. I loathe the procedure but it has become part of our culture.
The exisiting law up to the first trimester is fine by me.

Coulter correctly describes the Democrats abortion obsession in her book. Rob Bayn who is on the left has also noted this obsession. The entire fate of civilization does not rest on any one issue. The current definition of the Democrats view of women's issues is abortion. The entire notion of womens issues itself is condecending. This liberal notion that security is not a womans issue is sexist. Jihadis bombing Americans anywhere effects all of us.

Coulter is 100% corect on the horror of partial birth abortion. Partial birth abortion is infanticide and barbaric. Do we want to live in a country like China and India where this practice does occur. FYI when infanticide does occur in many places it is often due to sex selection.

The entire notion of abortion on demand for spurious reasons such as sex selection is an attrocity. The notion will change if and when a biological agent for homosexuality is found. Will Democrats defend aborting children who might turn out gay or become gasp Red Sox fans?

The notion that the right to abort is a sacrement is absurd. A school can not give a minor an asprin without parental consent but abortion is peachy. Why does abortion alone have the distinction of being the only medical procedure without parental notification?

Coulter like Levin describes Roe as a dreadful legal precedent. The notion of a zone of privacy is a myth. This notion only exists for the right to abort and commit sexual acts. Do I have the right to build an atomic bomb in my bedroom of course not.Does John Brown have the right to take illegal drugs in his bedroom? We should make an exception there if Brown promises to overdose. Even Brown himself seems to dismiss this notion with his recent post on Rush. However Brown and Ducky talking about a sexual performance enhancer is akin to the fish and bicycle analogy. One would need to have the social skills to have sex in order to understand what Viagra is used for. Ducky may have seen some sex in a French film and the clueless Brown probably thinks the word means gender.

I support abortion in the first trimester as a practical solution to a historic problem. I loathe the procedure and do not think that the fate of the free world depends on it. I do make exceptions for our troll abortions but our moonbats do not agree.

Lets see John Brown is an unwanted life form. He is loathed by civilized humans and serves as an excellent example of a wasted life. Even genuine Communist and Anarchist
lunatics think that posts about New Orleans genocide, Muslim Goblins and alCIAda are fecal matter of the deranged or an attempt by a dedicated anti communist to make them look insane. I am in favor of breaking out the shop vac and removing this unwanted life form from our midst. Ducky is still trying to find the answer to this in Fannon or a Felini film.

Mr Beamish in 08

36 comments:

The Merry Widow said...

Beaker- The interesting thing is that the leftistas are aborting themselves into nonexistance! It is the right, specifically the religious right who truelly love their children enough to have them! The exception is the welfare addicts. The day may come(I'm not holding my breath) that there will be enough "taxpayers" who will say enough already, get a job! But first the "Great Society" (was there ever a more socialistic slogan?) must be dismantled and discarded! Our priorities got screwed up royally by that!
Good morning and G*D bless!

tmw

beakerkin said...

TMW

I loathe abortion but would like to be realistic about it. Partial birth abortion is infanticide and is unacceptable. The leftistas have turned this issue into the be all end all and it isn't.

Always On Watch said...

Beak,
I respect your realistic approach to abortion, though we do not agree.

Wating beyond the first trimester is something I just cannot fathom. I know several women who have had abortions for a variety of reasons, and all but one terminated early in the first trimester. Each felt she was doing wrong, but saw "no other way."

As to the one exception I mentioned above, she was in her fifth month, and the abortion was performed by Georgetown University Hospital (a Catholic hospital) and was done for medical reasons--danger to the mother and an unviable fetus (about to be miscarried, from what I understand).

As I see it, abortion cheapens life. And using abortion as birth control (the revolving door) is so irresponsible as to defy reason. And using abortion as a eugenics method is dangerous beyond words.

I haven't finished reading Godless. Health issues and the floods here have interrupted my summer reading. What a backlog of books I have on my nightstand!

Always On Watch said...

Beak,
I respect your realistic approach to abortion, though we do not agree.

Wating beyond the first trimester is something I just cannot fathom. I know several women who have had abortions for a variety of reasons, and all but one terminated early in the first trimester. Each felt she was doing wrong, but saw "no other way."

As to the one exception I mentioned above, she was in her fifth month, and the abortion was performed by Georgetown University Hospital (a Catholic hospital) and was done for medical reasons--danger to the mother and an unviable fetus (about to be miscarried, from what I understand).

As I see it, abortion cheapens life. And using abortion as birth control (the revolving door) is so irresponsible as to defy reason. And using abortion as a eugenics method is dangerous beyond words.

I haven't finished reading Godless. Health issues and the floods here have interrupted my summer reading. What a backlog of books I have on my nightstand!

Note: If this comment is a double-post, please delete it. Blogger is hiccuping again.

beakerkin said...

AOW do note I am against abortions outside of the first trimester except when the life of the mother is involved.

Abortion as a birth control method is loathsome. Even a person who supports abortion like myself thinks the abortomania on some on the left is absurd.

kevin said...

I can see the necessity of saving the mother's life, outside of that, isn't it all about convience?

beakerkin said...

Kevin

There is a great deal of truth in your statement. This is why I loathe the procedure. Some people are just not ready to be parents but convience is not a valid reason.

Mr. Ducky said...

There you go again Beak, constatntly presenting this bizarro land world of yours as if it were actual.

"This liberal notion that security is not a womans issue is sexist." More dispatches from the bizarro world. That's one of your best, beak. I'm trying to put a propositional calculus on it but I can't.

Have you ever investigated why partial birth abortions are performed? I imagine you think a woman just walks into a doctor's office, slaps her forhead and says "Damn, I knew I forgot something. I didn't have my abortion."
Possibly it's discovered that the child's brain has formed outside the skul ... a medical occurrence. There are other conditions and yet you can't let this decision be between a woman and her physician. It's more complicated than you think.

Here's the deal, beak. here's what common sense people know. There is too much campaign contribution money linked to abortion on both sides for it to be resolved. Pols get the suckers to open their checkbooks by trotting it out constantly. Surely you understand that.

Fellini? Do you think he was the linchpin to the Italians finding their way out of the neorealism dead end? It's unfortunate that they became so self indulgent in the late 60's. Antonioni tried to carry on but it was over. You should rent a copy of Il Bidone, the middle film of the "Loneliness Trilogy". neglected classic. Italians sure did rule the cinema in the 50's. Damn they were good.

beakerkin said...

Ducky

Your comments on Felini have me laughing.

Coulter reports and other article have confirmed the vast majority of the partial bith abortions are not done for health issues and that is repugnant.

Mr. Ducky said...

Beak, please give competent reliable medical data on the nature of partial birth abortions.

If you recall there was an attempt by the government to suppoena medical records of these procedures and that was denied. I would like to know what Coulter is using as data, or isn't this issue sufficiently serious to be discussed by informed thicists. We have to have a schmuck like Coulter belittle the matter?

Who do you think was doing more in film in the 50's than the Italians? The French didn't really ramp up Nouveau Vague until a bit later.

beakerkin said...

Coulter quotes articles I have allready read. The government does have a right to inspect medical records in the case of probable cause of criminality. Or as Ann might say according to Ducky medical records only get inspection when ones last name is Limbaugh.

If there is probable cause to suspect criminality investigation is waranted.

Robert Bayn said...

I think abortion should only have 3 exceptions, in cases of rape, incest and when it threathens the life of the Mother, other than that, learn to close your legs and quit being a whore, and if your still to much of a idiot to use protection during sex, you should just go jump off a bridge, and kill yourself instead of a innocent human being.

beakerkin said...

Rob

I agree with the three cases you cite. I am somewhat troubled when people mull aborting the disabled. This was the Nazis first step before the Holocaust.

I loathe abortion but people fall short of moral behavior. I see abortion as an abhorent reality. People just fail and to a certain extent we have to forgive most of those failures. This failure has dire consequences but people fail.

The question is does having an abortion compound that failure? This is a theological question for greater intellects.

Mr. Ducky said...

Notice that rob bayn completely blames the woman.

Interesting in light of Beakers "women's rights" screed.

First we turn over moderation of an issue like abortion to a jerk like Coulter and then you compound the matter by demonstrating your prejudices.

Rob as part of the "culture of life" would prefer a woman's suicide. But as I say, conservatives are deathly afraid of vaginas and homosexuals. You might just extend that to sex in general.

beakerkin said...

Ducky if Coulter has upset a Marxist like yourself she must be doing something right.

Ducky unlike you I believe social Justice and group rights are antithetical to Americanism. The basis of rights is individual rights. Your comments about fear of sex and gays are absurd.

Marxist exploit gays and every other minority group by trying to co0opt their grievances as their own. The amount of words said when Castro put gays in insane assylums zero. Robert Mugabee harrasses gays now but he is a good leftist to the Duck. The plight of Gays in the Muslim world means zero to the Duck and 167 who defends Saudi and Iranian policy. Your hypocrisy is paper thin Duck. However as a Marxist we expect as much.

I am sure you will quote Almanzar next.

Jason_Pappas said...

If we go back in history, anti-abortion wasn’t on the conservative agenda. Barry Goldwater favored legalization and he was a member of the Arizona Planned Parenthood organization which his wife helped found in 1937. Reagan switched from signing an abortion liberalization bill as governor to opposing legalization as President. Traditionally, conservatives have been split on government involvement by setting limits.

Obviously, those who believe life begins at conception have to oppose the practice with the sole exception of endangerment to the life of the mother. But conservatives, 50 years ago, would have preferred that religious organizations play a role independent of government in inculcating their moral viewpoint within the congregation. That still makes sense today.

Both Parties make a big deal of the issue in their fund-raising campaigns. It tends to over shadow many other issues. Time to move on?

Robert Bayn said...

Ducky notice your a idiot, if you read what i wrote, i didn't just blame the woman, but she does choose to open her legs, so yeah she does deserve some of the blame, but using a condom or protection falls on the part of both the man and the woman.

Would i perfer a woman to commit suicide? No, i said stupid people, so that might include yourself.

Kamal Jaqi said...

I believe that women who seek abortions should be executed along with everyone genetically related to them, just in case the desire to destroy children is an inheritable family trait.

beakerkin said...

Kamal

When you start beheading Poultry and Commies go before humans. I bet John Brown's head will still be mumbling about Muslim goblins after it is severed.

Always On Watch said...

Robert Bayn,
I think abortion should only have 3 exceptions, in cases of rape, incest and when it threathens the life of the Mother...

Such cases are few in the numbers of abortions performed, I think. Some fundamentalist Christians are opposed to ALL abortions, but most Christians I know understand about "special circumstances."

Some years ago, my sister-in-law was kidnapped and raped by a psycho. Once she escaped (A miracle! This fellow was on a tear and had raped at least thirty women and had killed at least three), she immediately had a d&c--not just because of the possibility of pregnancy but primarily to repair internal damage. Was she pregnant? We'll never know.

BTW, she testified against the rapist/murderer, who had picked the wrong woman to brutalize as she was wise in the ways of the world and tricked him into leaving, at which point she hopped out, stark naked and hog-tied, to the highway. Thanks to my sister-in-law's testimony (Boy, was she ever cool on the witness stand!), he was extradited to Florida and executed. Once the trial was over and she was released from the witness-protection program, she picked up her life, got married, and had two beautiful sons.

Always On Watch said...

Robert Bayn,
I think abortion should only have 3 exceptions, in cases of rape, incest and when it threathens the life of the Mother...

Such cases are few in the numbers of abortions performed, I think. Some fundamentalist Christians are opposed to ALL abortions, but most Christians I know understand about "special circumstances."

Some years ago, my sister-in-law was kidnapped and raped by a psycho. Once she escaped (A miracle! This fellow was on a tear and had raped at least thirty women and had killed at least three), she immediately had a d&c--not just because of the possibility of pregnancy but primarily to repair internal damage. Was she pregnant? We'll never know.

BTW, she testified against the rapist/murderer, who had picked the wrong woman to brutalize as she was wise in the ways of the world and tricked him into leaving, at which point she hopped out, stark naked and hog-tied, to the highway. Thanks to my sister-in-law's testimony (Boy, was she ever cool on the witness stand!), he was extradited to Florida and executed. Once the trial was over and she was released from the witness-protection program, she picked up her life, got married, and had two beautiful sons.

(Another Blogger hiccup, so I'm resending this)

Mr. Ducky said...

Notice the robert bayn refers to women having sex as whores. Would bob like to refine that comment.

Robert Bayn said...

no i would not, anyone having sex with many different partners, is a whore, Man or Woman.

beakerkin said...

Ducky

I am certain you objection is based upon the capitalistic component of the above mentioned activity. Ducky has always had disrespect for euntrepenuers and people who work for a living.

This is opposed to Marxist types like Chomsky who work single digit work weeks for six figures. I think the members of the oldest profession are more noble then Chomsky.

FLORIAN said...

I'm against abortion 100%. I believe it's murder--except in the case of uptown seteve. His mom would've done society a favor in that case.

FLORIAN said...

Robert Bayn is right on in his remarks on abortion Featherbrain. Why can't the skank tell her boyfriend or one-night-stand player to wrap his whopper? There's reasons why sex should only be practiced in marriage.
Another thing that totally mystifies me is why in the hell women continue to engage in risky sex with unfamiliar or risky partners when they already have children--needless to say they have multiple kids with multiple fathers. How disgusting is that?

MissingLink said...

As I see it, abortion cheapens life. And using abortion as birth control (the revolving door) is so irresponsible as to defy reason.

This is so true.
And to call it a medical procedure is just immoral.

http://www.abortiontruth.com/more_pictures.html

Always On Watch said...

Florian,
I see that you have spoken your mind in that last comment. No mincing of words. :)

FLORIAN said...

To call it a medical procedure isn't just immoral Felis--it's totally irresponsible.

The Merry Widow said...

Florian- I used to work in a private childrens shelter, the children coming in many times had hair raising situations they had been rescued from. One woman had been in a car accident with her 2 children, the son died but the sister was badly injured in the head, she grew up with Soc. Security checks every month and the drug dealers and gangbangers took turns living off of her money. She ended up with 7 children, 4 or 5 different fathers and a real mess. They were taken away, but mom is pretty useless, grandma has no control over the situation and the babies kept coming! The oldest boy(about 8 at the time) had pretty much raised his siblings, but he had been sexually molested several times by one of the "boyfriends"! What do you do?

tmw

FLORIAN said...

TMW: I don't know, but she sure did have a choice when she decided to let certain people into her life. She could have told those people to leave her alone or if they wouldn't she could have packed up and left town. It seems to me the whole point of this "blame-game" is to avoid taking personal responsibility for one's own mistakes. She didn't have to sleep around and make poor decisions about procreating. My heart goes out to her, but there's a fine line between bad luck and poor descisions. This wasn't bad luck.

Freedomnow said...

Beak,

Why apologize for aborting the Brown Troll? The guy is not yet mentally past his first trimester so under your definition this is a justifiable abortion.

Anyways, since I'm not a woman I tend to feel that this issue is none of my business, but the value of life is an important consideration so I am willing to listen.

The debate goes on...

Freedomnow said...

Beak,

Why question the validity of aborting the Brown Troll? He is not yet mentally past the first trimester so under your own belief system this is a justifiable troll abortion.

Anyways, since I am not a woman I tend to think that this issue is none of my business. However, we are talking about human life here, so I am willing to listen.

The debate goes on...

The Merry Widow said...

Florian- The poinbt was that she was not able to be responsible. She was basically a child in an adults body! The children should have been supported by their fathers, because they knew what they were doing! Her mother should have taken some control, but wouldn't. I'm sorry, but certain people should not be given responsibility, because they can't, yes she was an example of the exception to the rule. But the "state" abdicated responsibility also, she should have been in a protected environment where the users couldn't get to her, but all the state homes were closed in a media frenzy about civil rights! Well, the people they turned loose in the communities were of diminished responsibility, therefor they were of diminished rights. I believe there are a lot of people out "there" who should not be trying to run their lives when they can't! That is where a number of generations on welfare come from, they can't even regulate their own sexual behavior. It maybe harsh, but having seen the end results, many of these folks have diminished ability due to brain impairment. And no Ducky, it crosses lines of color so I am not being racist, I am recounting what is on the ground!This is what we dealt with! Even if a child is removed as an infant, given proper love, food and education, they still are not capable of truely independent life!
Good morning and G*D bless!

tmw

Brooke said...

It is fine to abort trolls like Brown; but humans... nope. THAT is wrong.

Cases in which a mother's life is in danger are few and far between, to say the least. Far more common are "theraputic abortions," in which the "mental health" of the mother is claimed to be endangered.

B.S.! People will claim mental difficulties to get out of anything these days, rather than accept that their actions come with consequences.

In cases of rape: There is such a thing as a "72 hour" pill. Take it and the scenario of needing an abortion is nullified. And don't tell me about a woman being too afriad or ashamed or whatever to come foward. That is B.S. An adult woman is more than capable of taking herself to the hospital, filling out reports, ect.

As for incest... what a sticky widget. The whole thing is so unfathomable and (hopefully) rare, that it would be difficult to postulate a solution. I would think, however, that an incest victim is so under the controll of the abuser, who is likely to be a close family member, that it would be difficult at best to get to a physician to have an abortion performed.

Of course, any of the above situations are rare hypothetical situations; a political cushion to appeal to both camps. The majority of abortions simply do not fall under these parameters.

Let's be frank; in the day and age of contraceptives and "Planned Parenthood", who distibute the necessary medications to prevent pregnancy on a sliding scale so that anyone can afford to take them, there is no exuse to get pregnant, unless one WANTS to.

This whole debate is the symptom of a society that refused to behave responisbly and with common sense and a moral base. We need to accept that 1+2=3; sex without protection equals baby, and act accordingly.

nanc said...

my children don't belong to me - they belong to G-d. He will deal with these situations as He sees fit. not my way. there is a way that seems right to us humans, but in the end leads to eternal destruction.

it's really unfortunate that this even has to be such a hot topic.