I do want to thank the Recidivist on this part. The mania about the religious right is absurd. I have never understood it and still don't understand the obsession. Yet he posted a link. As a non Christian minority I do not feel threatened by the religious right. I have sat in all kinds of chuches and never once felt uncomfortable
or un welcome.
He posted a blurb and I will go line by line. It is from conservativepetitions.com
1 Protest a rouge judges pornography ruling. Most conservatives do not have a problem with pornography so long as Children are not the participants or viewers.In the age of the internet access is too easy. I am not a fan of censorship but keeping
minors away from porn is a good idea.
Score 1 for the Wingnuts
2The teaching of the Declaration's religious roots.
What is wrong with that? However I am open to a persuasive argument on that one.
Score 2 for the Wingnuts
3 Demand that Jeb Bush spare Terri Schiavos life
Score 3 For the Wingnuts . My dissent is based on the outmoded notion that a spouse is the sole arbiter of these choices. We do not live in the world of Ozzie & Harriet.
The presumption that a spouse will act in the best intrests is outmoded. I would say the same if the roles were reversed. A biological family should have some say in this matter.
4 Cry out for the ejection of homosexual videos for health reasons
Score one for the left. Presuming minors are not involved this seems absurd. The context is the question sex ed for older teens . Public saftey trumps puritanism , but I would hope that the videos are done tasteful manner.
5That Homosexuals can change if they want to.
Score two for the left. Who cares if somebody is gay ? The notion of a biology or choice is irrelevant. Who cares as long as consenting adults are involved ?
6 Boycott Abercrombie & Fitch. I am not a fan of boycotts but the left has its own such as those caried out against Celestial Seasonings & Rush Limbaugh advertisers. If you don't like the image don't buy the product. I am not a fan of Sean Penn so I do not see his films this is my right. Boycotting advertisers is far worse than boycotting the actual perpetrators Sean Penn, Michael Moore etc.
Score three for the left.
7 Demand that Christian and Jews be defended against Islamic indoctrination.
This is two parts as several schools have Islamic sensitivity training that crosses the line of tollerance. There are schools that have students pretend they are muslim for a day. We do not do this for any other relgion.
The persecution of religious minorities in Islamic Socities is a serious issue. The Recidivist does not adress this topic at all. When I tried to discuss it he called me a bigot. This must make Freedom House bigoted as well. Nor is the problem limited to Jews and Christians as Buddhists,Hindus,Zoroastrians,Sikh,Yezidis and animists have similar problems. That list is not comprehensive and I may have missed a few.
Score this for the Wingnuts
Score Left 3 Wingnuts 4
8 Opposose the mnadate that allows Homosexual Mentors
Everyone should have a mentor and mentor others. Gays should not be included
Score this one for the left
Tie Ball game.
9 Oppose UN radical Homosexual agenda.
There are plenty of reasons to oppose the UN but this is not one of them.
Left 5 wingnuts 4
10 Brand Michael Moore a traitor.
I really wish we could but as I did not see the film I would have to abstain. Being a fan of free speech I have to give this to the left. I can be persuaded here as well
but the score is
Left 6 Wingnuts 4
I posted the following
These are not mainstream GOP views . It is like claiming Michael Moore or Noam Chomsky speak for the Democratic Party.
You are taking the most strident voices and tring to pass it as mainstream. Although I am tempted by the Michael Moore traitor bit.
In a way you are guilty of doing the same thing you accuse Horrowitz of . The irony may be lost on you as humor does not seem to be your strong suit. Let it sink in and you might enjoy a laugh later.
Thanks for the responseand believe it or not I appreciate it.
The Recidivist was a good sport for the most part. He takes this way too seriously at times . If he would knock off the invectives this would make great reading. A good disagreement makes for a lively board.
Here is his response in fairness. The petition was not his but a response to my query
with regard to his 9-11 Sharia quip.
On the issue of the website,when you say that I am taking the most strident voices and trying to pass it as mainstream....would you perhaps care to show me where I have spoken about anything other than the people on the website ? Where have I used anything other than their own words and where have I tried to pass them off as anything other than simply scary ?
Yes go back and check , and you dearest one, and you will find that I haven't tried
to pass them off as mainstream at all ... I haven't even tried to compare them to you.
(This is my comentary." The original post was a ham handed satire. If I were in the Recivists Shoes I readily admit where this would be scary. Some of those issues are more complex "ConservativePettions.com harnesses Internet technology to help conservative Americans,like you(not me YOU)let those in charge know how you think."
If the Recidivist claims this is satire there is some basis for his claims. Not all those issues are black and white. I will give him credit on this one as it was an over reaction on my part to the Sharia quip. For this I appologize but the 9-11 sharia bit was over the top.)
Where have I held Michael Moore up as paragons of virtue and speakers of great truth?I view both of them as circus acts who speak occaisional truths,but who are generally best ignored and viewed as poor entertainment. In Michael Moore's case I consider him amoral.
(My reference was to Moore as extreemists not as reflective of the Recidivist. If there was confusion I regret it . I am glad we agree on something and yes a broken clock is correct twice a day. Chomsky is being taught on college campuses and that is a major point of Horrowitz's contention nor is Chomsky alone.)
As for me being guilty of what I accuse Horowitz of..at least I accuse on the basis of what he has said or put in writing....you just accuse on the basis of what you WANT me to have said-because in addopting your manner of misrepresentation, you are guilty of the same as David Horowitz (not only as well)
As for my sense of humor - given the fragility of your other claims today (and as ever) you will I am sure understand if I chose to take your comment with a pinch of salt that it deserves.
Now next time don't try so hard and you may find that you do not end up looking like a clown.
Unlike the Recidivist I will conceede a point. If I were a gay man these people would concern me. As a site that caters to a gay readership those people are ripe for lampooning. I may have over reacted on the heels of "All aboard , this is the 9:11 to Sharia Law ". Remember I am a WTC93 survivor and an eyewitness to 9-11. That remark was certainly uncalled for and unwise. I will apologize for my post here as a gentleman but the Recidivist should also withdraw the above post as sophomoric poetic license.
The annalysis of these issues listed show that some have merrit if looked at more closely. Most of those issues should be examined in greater depth. Everyone is entitled to dignity and respect but there are larger issues. Your right to respect should not mean denigration of others . That last point was not adressed to the Recidivist but a general rule.
The comments about organized religion in the comments section deserve a full post.We
would have to explore history , the nature of man, Sociology and a range of other
areas. I do note that the Recidivist was polite and respectful to the man not his position. It appears that sometimes he forgets that others do not share his opinion.
The Pope is an inpiratiration to millions and not all of them Catholic. I do not share his views on the Pope or organized religion as I am a fan of both.