Sunday, April 24, 2005

Spanking the Recidivist Part 4

In my never ending series dedicated to one of the lefts most illucid and blogs we come up to Gays & Nazis and Racism. The Recidivist boast of his 167 IQ but objective people see no signs of intelligent thought. We do hear slogans ,folk tales, spin, bigotry and illogic. In the past he has written how upset he is that Joooos stole the
Holocaust and there were other victims. I guess 6,000,000 dead is not enough for the brain impaired one. He has written that I disparaged the 12,000,000 other victims. This is not the case as Jews, Gypsies and some Slavs were targeted on racial grounds.
This meant that every person in that category was marked for death. 2/3 of Europe's Jews and a higher percentage of gypsies were slaughtered on racial grounds.

The treatment of Homosexuals by the Nazis is an interesting subject. Yet if any group is guilty of exploiting its ties to this event it is the gay community. The ever present pink triangle was everywhere durring the initial Aids epidemic. I can not remember ever seeing a Jew wear the yellow star. Nor do I remember Jehovas Witnesses bringing the subject up.

The Recidivist is fond of cranks like Norman Finkelstein and Joel Kovel. However we will use the US Holocaust Museums archives to put this matter into perspective and Yad Vashem. Here is the quote from the moron but note I do not disparage the homosexual victims. I want to place the experience in perspective, there is no comparison period.

"The fact that there is such a denial really shouldn't surprise me from a manwho considers that the 25,000 gay men killed in the Holocaust ( or indeed any of the 12,000,000 non Jewish Holocaust victims ) aren't as worthy as the 6,000,000 Jews who died in the Holocaust ... but that is a different story"

From Yad Vashem http://www1.yadvashem.org/about_holocaust/faqs/answers/faq_5.html
"Numerous people fell victim to the Nazi regime for political,social,or racial reasons.Germans were among the first victims persecuted because of their political activities.Many died in concentration camps, but most were released after their spirits were broken. Germans who suffered from mental or physical handicaps were killed under a "euthanasia" program. Other Germans were incarcerated for being Homosexuals,criminals,or nonconformists; these people , although treated brutally, were never slated for utter annihilation as were the Jews.

Roma and Sinti ( often called by the derogatory term Gypsies) were murdered by the Nazis in large numbers.Estimate range from 200,000 to over 500,000 victims.Nazi policy towards the Roma and Sinti was inconsistent.In Greater Germany Roma and Sinti who had intergrated into society were seen as socially dangerous and eventually murdered,whereas in the occupied Soviet Union ,Roma and Sinti who had intergrated into society were not persecuted,but those who retained a nomadic lifestyle were put to death.

The so-called Slavs,the people of Poland,Russia,the Ukraine,Yugoslavia,Czechoslavakia and Bulgaria were also deemed racialy inferior by the Nazis.Yet it wasnot racial ideology alone that determined how the Nazis treatedparticular ethnic groups- the issue of real politik also came into play. Despite thier supposed inferiority,the Slovaks,Croatians,Bulgarians and some Ukranians were alies of the Nazis. Russian prisoners of war died from neglect or hrd laboror were murdered,because of the Nazis racism and loathing of Communism.Owing mostly to their plans to reorganize Europe on racial grounds,the Nazis treated the Poles terribly.The Nazi plans ,however did not target the Poles for complette annihilation. Polish children who "looked German" were to be raised as Germans,intellectuals and leaders to be murdered in order to prevent rebellion , and the rest enslaved".

In short everyone with Jewish blood was targeted for annihilation . Much of the other death were due to neglect and mistreatment.

From the US Holocaust Museum
http://www.ushmm.org/museum/exhibit/online/doyourememberwhen/08/08pop2.html
"Between 1933-45 ,about 100,000men were arrested as homosexuals and half of them sentenced to prison of which an estimated 10,000 to 15,000 men were incarcerated in concentration camps . They were marked with a Pink Triangle".

Note the ratio of death even with the Recidivist's undoccumented number 1/4. The mere 100,000 was a fraction of the homosexual population in Germany. Compare 25,000
deaths most of which were the product of neglect to 6,000,000. Most of the 6,000,000
Jews who died were by design. Yet wich group regularly displays a triangle as a symbol. If any group has disproportioalely exploited its connection to the Holocaust it is clearly not the Jews but the gay community.

More from the Holocaust Museum in DC
Http://www.ushmm.org/wlc/article.php?lang+en&ModuleID=10005261

".....Once they took power in 1933 , the Nazis intensified persecution of German Male Homosexuals. Persecution ranged from the dissolution of homosexual organizations
to internment in concentration camps...
.... Similarly , the Nazis generally did not target non-German homosexuals unless they were active with German partners.In most cases,the Nazis were prepared to accept former homosexuals into the "racial community" provided that they became "racially conscious" and gave up the lifestyle....
...From 1937 to 1939 , the peak years of Nazi persecution of Homosexuals,the police increasingly raided homosexual meeting places,siezed adress books,and created networks of informers and undercover agents to identify and arrest suspected homosexuals. On April 4, 1938, the Gestapo issued a directive indicating that men convicted of homosexuality could be incarcerated in concentration camps . Between 1933 and 1945 the police arrested an estimated 100,000 men as homosexuals. Most of the 50,000 men sentenced by the courts spent time in regular prisons, and between 5,000 and 15,000 were interned in Concentration camps.....

...Some homosexuals were interned under other categories by mistake, and the Nazis purposely miscategorized some political prisoners as homosexuals.......

There is no known statistics for the number of homosexuals who died in the camps."

Thus the question is where did the Recidivist get this number from that most probably exceeds the amount of Homosexuals in Concentration camps ? Obviously math is not the strong suit of the Recidivist. What group has stolen the holocaust certainly not the group that lost 6,000,000 ?

The humiliation of the braindead Recidivist will continue with Spanking #5.He claims
my sources are biased but he uses none in his own blog.

7 comments:

Jason_Pappas said...

It looks like you finished of this Recidivist fellow.

beakerkin said...

He will be back that was some impressive post you put together good work.

Jason_Pappas said...

He might come back for some name-calling but he'll look silly if that's all he can do. Already people are laughing at him.

Anonymous said...

Any person who ignores the suffering of others to gain political power is a hypocrite of the highest calibre. A gay man who supports Islamic regimes who persecute gay men is a hypocrite. The thirst for power is blinding and the left in America has made it clear that Bush can do NO right. Even if he frees women in Afghanistan, Bush is still Hitler. He can not be right about anything, because if he was, then the left would be wrong about it, and "I was wrong" is something you'll never hear come out of a liberal's mouth. If they will overlook the murders of hundred of millions in the push for enforced socialism/communism, what are the lives of a few thousande gay men?

Mr. Beamish the Instablepundit said...

The "purge" of homosexuality in Nazi Germany wasn't so much so. It was more directed towards effeminate gays, as the more militant butch queers were usually the SS officers giving the orders to kill them.

In Nazis terms, Liberace = kill fodder, Rock Hudson = ubermensch.

beakerkin said...

Beamish

There is plenty of truth to that and the role of Ernst Roehm in the SA and the early party was ignored.
I am hesitant to even go near this topic but being told by the Recidivist the Jews stole the Holocaust is offensive. I seriously would like to know where his 25000 number is from. There are no known numbers and on reasercher said she could only find 50 known victims. I am not doubting his numbers but a source would be nice.

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