Tuesday, October 03, 2006

The malady of pedophelia

I am a social liberal on most areas of social policy. However, my life experiences have led me to reconsider some of them. The one area I am not liberal is on crime and this crime in particular. I believe in the death penalty for pedophiles and violent rapists,provided there is genetic evidence.

Many people live under the myth that criminals can be cured in prison. There is no cure for pedophiles and violent sexual predators. The recidivism rate has always been fairly high for these types of criminals. If one has a mad dog the best thing to do is take it out of its misery.

Many people mistake pedophiles for homosexuals. The homosexuals I know would never engage in that type of behavior. There are heterosexual pedophiles of both sexes, but the media does have an agenda. Many of the pedophelia cases reported in the paper are from the Catholic Church. The other cases involve a hot female school teacher and a teen age boy, it sells tabloids.

I am wondering if the Mark Foley had pursued 16 year old girls would there be this type of reaction. My hunch is probably, sexual misbehavior seems to be tolerated more
in the Democratic party of Kennedy, Clinton and Frank. I am certain that Mc Greevey will make another run for public office in the future. None of the the above crimes involved minors, yet nobody died as in Capaquidick.

I hate to be the bearer of bad news but none of these people should ever be considered for public office including Foley. However, the party that has sent Ted Kennedy to the Senate for thirty years needs to look at its own values.

Beamish in 08, Ducky to Gitmo

154 comments:

nanc said...

one thing for sure - we now know had he been a female behaving in the same manner, the world would be more lenient on him. there's no doubt he exhibits deviant tendencies, but we don't know the whole story. i don't excuse his behavior - it is wrong for middleaged men to lust after 16 year old boys as wrong as it is for 16 year old girls to lust after 16 year old boys.

lust is lust and adultery is adultery - they are wrongheaded thinking.

quite frankly - i find it hard to believe ANYBODY would be attracted to a 16 year old boy! we have a 15 year old boy in the house and if this is a precursor to 16 - fuggedaboutit.

Always On Watch said...

Pedophiles destroy innocent children. And the vast majority of these pedophiles are recidivists. They're like chicken-killing dogs, and reform is so rare as to be a negligible possibility.

One such pedophile in prison was recently in the news--either for self-castration or as petitioning the state for total castration. He said that he wouldn't be able to stop himself once he was released from the pentitentiary and that castration was the only solution.

Mark Foley disgusts me beyond description. And if certain other Republicans knew what Foley was doing and didn't expose him for it, they disgust me as well.

I feel so strongly about this issue because I've known several victims of pedophiles--both homosexuals and heterosexuals. These victims forever carry a burden which most of us cannot begin to understand.

The Merry Widow said...

AoW- Amen to that! So have I and nothing disgusts me more than actual pedophiles or their enablers, are those who use the accusation to destroy someone's life! My late was falsely accused, and I believe it took the spirit he needed to fight cancer out of him! There are enough(too many) of the real thing to destroy someone because you're mad at them!
When he was accused, there were 2 other families who were going through the same thing we were, all were aquited or charges were dropped because of lack of evidence!
Sorry, this is a very big hot button issue with me, I still have to actively forgive this person almost daily! It cost me a husband and my children a Father!

tmw

beakerkin said...

TMW

I know better than most about a series of false charges. The reality is that extreeme punishment should require genetic evidence.

The reality is that there were four culprits that were responsible for the vast preponderance of these frivolous complaints. One of whom was given a permanent position after a breach of law that would have placed me in the slammer for five years. Three of the four have been given permanent positions. The message is that if you want to get ahead make up stories.

The Merry Widow said...

I understand! We had been in the process of starting to adopt a girl from either Russia or the eastern bloc nations when this happened. Even though found innocent, my husband lost a job, and we had to withdraw our application, because even an accussation proved false removed you from eligibility! All because a friend, who had been molested by cousins believed her father knew and didn't care! My daughter lost her best friend, she cried for months! That infuriated me no end. That's one of the reasons I still have to forgive, and forgive, and continue to forgive! I truely believe it helped take my husband's life. So, I have to forgive some more! Recently while I was going through some papers to decide if I needed to discard them, I ran into a letter my late wrote to our lawyer. It spoke of flat out lies told by a former pastor to the police and the court. Now I have more to forgive! So, yes, I know the havoc and devastation in the path of false accusations! They can destroy a life!

tmw

American Crusader said...

I agree. This is why I'm upset that certain members of the Republican Party might have covered up for Foley so as not to disrupt the upcoming elections. I say MIGHT HAVE, the jury is still out but it seems at least one member of Congress knew about Foley dating back to 2005.
There is no cure for pedophilia except maybe castration.
Chemical castration has the drawback that it can be reversed if one stops taking the medicine or supplements it with testosterone.

Still...like the Merry Widow states, it can ruin lives.

The Merry Widow said...

Hey, AC, long time! Like I stated above, I abhor those who prey on the innocent! In any manner, but especially sexually! The devastation that leaves is evil, pure and simple. The predators are , well I believe demonized and that takes more than a prison term, supervision and counselling!

tmw

Mr. Ducky said...

This is going to be fun watching the "family values" crowd defend Cardinal Hastert.

Robert Bayn said...

It's for sure that the Democrats have no Moral authority, it was back in the 80's when one Democrat was caught having SEX with a underage male, and he just got a CENSURE! Not only should Foley resign as he has, but anyone who helped in covering it up, should resign.

As far as homosexuality and Pedophilia, while i agree that these are two different issues, it would be ignorant, of myself or anyone else who has been part of that lifestyle to deny the obcession some homosexuals have with teenage boys,which is scary in it self.

Anonymous said...

Malady or symptom?

-FJ

Anonymous said...

How should we proceed, Doctor? Surgery or more diagnostic tests?

-FJ

Elmer's Brother said...

Could God cure a pedophile?

nanc said...

yes, elbro - i believe He can. but not for our asking. the pedophile must desperately seek the face of the Lord and admit their ahem, "malady"...

otherwise, the pedophile needs to go to prison where they can be the girlfriend to big tattooed guys named "tiny" for the rest of their natural lives where mothers like me have no chance of finding them and dissecting them alive one fraction of an inch a day until they are buzzard poop.

i see no other cures.

Elmer's Brother said...

I agree there need to be SERIOUS consequences, I just wondered if some don't put God in a box.

nanc said...

i believe in forgiveness until it comes to one of my own and then it's easier said than done - our unforgiveness only affects us after all.

G-d's too big to put in a box. we sometimes allow our emotions the get the better of us.

oh yeah, and before i forget - i'd give his nards to my cats.

Anonymous said...

...and the motives are clear...

-FJ

Anonymous said...

Foley had a model. Gerry Studds.

Mad Zionist said...

Pedophilia is a sexual disorder that cannot be cured. Homosexuality is also a sexual disorder that sometimes can be cured and sometimes can't. Nanc is right when she lumps sexual behavior disorders with lust. It is an impulse that can be stopped, sometimes with religion, but usually doesn't hold for long.

Castration is a great answer, as AOW suggested. Once the little head is taken away the big head can then act properly.

For homosexuals, we just have to hope that the ones who could go either way will go the straight way, while those who can't will not be encouraged to publicly flaunt their deviance before the whole world. I feel embarassed for them when I see them disgracing themselves in public, putting the spotlight on their disorder and emphasising their debasement. Pitiful, really.

Anonymous said...

Environmental factors...CSA Childhood Sexual Abuse

from Rhawn Joseph paper...

Moreover, as noted, males with a history of CSA are four times more likely than non-abused males to engage in homosexual activities (Finkelhor, 1979); disturbances also seen with amygdala dysfunction. In addition, a significant relationship between CSA and teenage- or adult-onset pedophilia and violent criminal behavior has been reported (Haaspasalo and Kankonon, 1997; Knight and Prentky, 1993; Rubinstein et al., 1993; Watkins and Bentovim, 1992; Widom and Ames, 1994), including violence toward loved ones and intimate partners (Duncan and Williams 1998), including rape--and violence including sexual violence is also associated with abnormalities involving the amygdala, as well as the septal nuclei.

-FJ

Anonymous said...

Too much amgdala or too little septal nuclei.

-FJ

Anonymous said...

Venus & Thanatos. Desire & Death.

-FJ

....and now back to our regularly scheduled programming.

Anonymous said...

...or should I say "septal" stands for "disgust". Death stinks!

Only the nose nous

Anonymous said...

The bipolar brain. Neuron connections & you. Nous at eleven.

-FJ

Anonymous said...

The suicide rapist and the brain... what can be learned?

He lusts... he kills himself.

Anonymous said...

...but don't listen to the American Psychiatric Association (APA) on this topic. It is estimated that as much as 20% of its' child therpists are "suspected pediphiles"... (source: Rhawn Joseph)

-FJ

The Merry Widow said...

FJ- I believe it! How better to get close to a troubled child, that or a youth pastor(happened at a church we attended in Cali.)Wherever children can be found, "they" will gather. One of the reasons those children's "beauty" contests are so horrendous, they cater to the base lusts of predators! This is why dealing with the predators is vitally important!

tmw

Robert Bayn said...

Can homosexuality be cured?

Sure it can, but it starts with realizing that ones actions or way of doing things is wrong. Nanc is correct when she labels it as lust, but there is more things that play a role in why people develop same sex attractions, the problem is most with in the gay community, refuse to look at these factors as being cridiable.

Things that contribute to Same Sex attractions:

Molestation
Rape
Lack of a Strong father or Mother Figure
Bullying (your a sissy!, or you act like a "fag") can make one beleive, well maybe i'am?
Physical Abuse and Mental Abuse can contribute.
Pornography, and sex and sexual situations being so open and free to get into

These all can lead to it, other factors can be genes, as well as other medical situations. There is a choice with in this, and that choice is to act out on ones impulses, or seek God and or help depending on your beleifs for these issues.

As far as i'm concerned, i seek God for guidance, i trust that in him all answers can be found, but i also understand not everyone believes in that, but i take what Jesus said to his disciples:

"these kind not come out but by prayer and fasting"

So with that i beleive seeking God is the only answer in situations like this.

nanc said...

speaking of prayer and fasting - madze's back and has put up the first part of his yom kippur post - a most excellent read.

Mr. Ducky said...

I don't understand why Mad Zionist is here railing against homosexuality when on his own site he's complaining about the IDF arresting some yahoo for blowing the chauffeur.

Seems hypocritical.

nanc said...

bwaaaaaaaaaaaaaahhhhhhhhhhhhhh!!!

good one, plucky!

now, take it back.

The Merry Widow said...

RB- Very well stated! And the factors you listed are hushed up in many cases as being causative. Paul talks of this in Romans, with the unread list, those things and steps to any kind of sexual perversion. Worship of the created not the Creator opens one up to a twisting of original intent. I know plucky will be offended, sorry but, there is a spiritual aspect of any seduction or rape. It isn't just a physical act, it is mental, emotional, spiritual control of another autonomous person. That robbing another of control or choice is criminal. and the justification of such acts, i.e. she seduced me(of a small child) is denial of the worst sort! Self control is the hallmark of a civilized person. And it's good for society as a whole!
As a widow, I could go hog wild and really mess up my 2, but I think of them and our neighborhood, and G*D's Name as more important than my basest instincts!

tmw

beakerkin said...

Ducky

I would like to think Marxism should be treated as a mental illness. Maybe if you took your meds stopped reading Chomsky and learned basic economics and history you might be cured.

Mr Beamish is selling Beamish's study guide for use with Chomsky.
Page 1 Drink a Can of beer. Page two go bowling and drink more beer.
If you still mant to read page three drink more beer. If you still want to read past page eight check into rehab.

Elmer's Brother said...

Rehab seems to be the sanctuary of the fallen.

JINGOIST said...

Well here it goes, time to piss EVERYONE off!

First of all let me agree with you about capital punishment for violent rape at any age, and pedophilia involving violation of those under 12 years old. A bullet to the head takes care of these animals just fine. Period. I volunteer.

Here's where I differ.
In high school I had the great good fortune to "know" more than my share of sexually aggressive girls, some of whom where a year or two younger than myself. Legally speaking in the state of FL I could have been charged with statutory rape. NEVER did I force myself, my mother and older sister
explained to me what NO! meant. Still it could have been statutory rape.
This stupid law has to be clarified and revised.

Also I don't think the Fl hottie/teacher commited rape at all. The adult was a woman who bore the entire risk of preganancy and the extraordinarily grateful young man had nothing but fun, he's a hero to his buddies. No harm was done to him, believe me.
She did commit a serious ethical breach and should be fired and never allowed to teach children. Having said that it's just silly to say that this is the exact same as an adult male teacher who has sex with a 12 or 13 year old female.

Beaker honesty and experience compels me to take issue with your statement about homosexuals and pedophilia. Like you I count a number of gays and lesbians among my good friends. I also believe that the incidence of pedophilia is higher among gay men than straight. I doubt there's any difference between lesbians and hetero women.

In my time in the military I'd guess that 60% of the kiddie porn and child prostitutes that I ran into overseas and during maritime interdiction were young boys and male oriented. It's enough to make you want to puke! Now I'm not saying that 60% of all practicing pedophiles are gays, but the supply (young boy prostitutes and vidoes) is a product of the demand.

My hugely unpopular point? If 7% of the male population is homosexual and roughly 40%-60% of all child prostitutes and porno is homosexually oriented, a higher % of gay men are pedophiles than straights.
Look my numbers are anytrhing but exact, but I KNOW what I've seen.

Morgan

The Merry Widow said...

Morgan- I question the 7%, it maybe higher because sense and sensibility were kicked out the door, but I'm thinking that probably includes some "experimenters", not confirmed, committed homosexuals.

tmw

JINGOIST said...

TMW you may be right that the % of men who are gay is higher than 7%, but not by much. My guess is that the % is between 4%-10% at most. I'm not all all talking about about young "experimenters" just those who settle into a set sexual lifestyle. The problem with accuracy when it comes to sexual preference and pedophilia is obvious.

First there is political correctness. I like to call this "feel good dishonesty." From what I've seen overseas easily half of the child predators were after young boys. Period.

Simple lying is the biggest obstacle when it comes to pegging the % of the population that is homosexual. My lesbian cousin has told me stories that would shed some light on this AND put you into hysterics!

Morgan

Always On Watch said...

Duck,
This is going to be fun watching the "family values" crowd defend Cardinal Hastert.

Well, this member of the "family values crowd" won't be defending any of the enablers. I'm disgusted with the lot of them.

According to one news story I heard, a fellow House member said that he never saw any signs of alcoholism in Foley. Sure, Foley could be a closet alcoholic; but he could also be playing the pr angle for the Party.

That center he checked into--doesn't it also treat other problems, not yet disclosed? I think that I heard something about that aspect as well.

Always On Watch said...

Story just released by the AP. Excerpt:

Disgraced former Rep. Mark Foley said through his lawyer Tuesday that he was sexually abused by a clergyman as a teenager, but accepts full responsibility for sending salacious computer messages to teenage male pages.

Attorney David Roth said Foley was molested between ages 13 and 15 by a clergyman. He declined to identify the clergyman or the church, but Foley is Roman Catholic.

He also acknowledged for the first time that the former congressman is gay, saying the disclosure was part of his client's "recovery."...

nanc said...

amazing how quickly they find an excuse.

Robert Bayn said...

There is no excuse for molesting a child, or even pursuing to have sex with someone who is underage. Certanily if he was molested at a young age, that would contribute to his idea that he might be gay, and his confusion, i would suggest finding God and proffesional help for this issue, but he should not and no one else should make excuses for what he did.

The Merry Widow said...

Morgan- Sorry, I meant that the 7% was high, most statistical studies place it between 1-3%. The high part was the general lawless spirit that exists!
AoW & Nanc- I guess they never heard that confession is good for the soul. Telling the unvarnished truth is more freeing in te long run. My late used to call an excuse, "Nothing but a skin of Truth stuffed with a lie!" Sure sounds like it fits the description!

tmw

Always On Watch said...

Robert,
You're right: There is no excuse for molesting a child...

The AP story just intensifies my disgust. **spit**

Mr. Beamish the Instablepundit said...

Well, I finally see the wisdom of the Democrat's 2006 election platform.

"We may be for the war one day, and against it the next. We may believe we need law enforcement efforts to address a terrorism problem that doesn't exist yet gets more threatening every day we're in Iraq, among those we shouldn't profile at the airport.

We may want to tax businesses out of existence to pay for unemployment programs. We may believe our best defense against nuclear proliferation is to give rogue states highly enriched uranium while giving dockworkers a geiger counter.

We may do all these glaringly imbicilic things to ensure that all Democrats stand for something, but by God, we don't cover up for text messages sent by homosexuals in our party! Not when there's the NSA to see and intercept them all!"

Triangulation.

I think I'm going to withdraw my candidacy for Presidency.

America doesn't deserve me.

beakerkin said...

I am getting annoyed by Foley. He is blaming a clergyman and alcohol.
What is he angling for a book like Mc Sleazy? Own up to your errors and go away. I do not buy the booze angle either.

Mr. Beamish the Instablepundit said...

C'mon Beak, this is the crux of the 2006 election cycle.

Are you concerned about national security, the war on terrorism, economic growth, immigration, technological development, and fostering democracy in the world, or do you want to sit around all day headlining with "Guess what that fag said on his text messenger."

Steve Harkonnen said...

Perhaps BOTH parties need not only take a look at values - but their piss-poor performance as well.

Politicians suck, no matter how you slice 'em.

PS - I'm blogging on the Foley thing. It's a bit short, but it gets the point across.

Robert Bayn said...

I trust no politican or political party, i haven't seen one yet that does not lie and deceive people.

Mr. Beamish the Instablepundit said...

My almost defunct political party, the Beamish Party, does not lie or decieve.

"Elect me and millions will perish for believing Allah is holier than Britney Spears' ass crack."

Warren said...

Legally, Foley might be considered a pedophile but a true pedophile is much more dangerous person.

A true pedophile is interested in prepubescent children.

His crime seems to be, from what I've seen, soliciting sex with a minor. I don't believe that anyone has stated that he actually had sex with a minor.

That more or less puts him in the same category with silly Billy. They both abused their positions of authority to satisfy their sexual proclivities

But of course, all politics seems to be abusing positions of authority to satisfy some kind of proclivity.

Warren said...

Buck up, Cuz!

I don't want to loose that cushy job as secretary of road kill.

The Merry Widow said...

Mr. B., Those who won't stand for something, will fall for everything! We desperately need the party! There is no honor among thieves, but there never was any among politicians. It's all about control and the next election cycle! We may go down, but let's go down standing for something, we'll get the last laugh and it will last a very long time! I'm not turning in my skillets.
Good morning, G*D bless and Maranatha!

tmw

Always On Watch said...

Beamish in '08!

nanc said...

steve said, "Politicians suck, no matter how you slice 'em."

warren - perhaps he should be pureeing them? with a nice pesto?

beamish - the party is still alive!

The Merry Widow said...

2 terms for Beamish!

tmw

Warren said...

Pate' de politico?

nanc said...

that will leave a nasty taste in EVERYBODY'S mouth!

The Merry Widow said...

Use LOTS of garlic!

tmw

beakerkin said...

I put todays post on the other blog by accident.

Da Weaz said...

"it is wrong for middleaged men to lust after 16 year old boys as wrong as it is for 16 year old girls to lust after 16 year old boys."

Once again, nanc is out of her fucking mind. Only on the "moron report" can you find such gibberish.

If nanc knew a fucking thing about the law, she'd know its no crime for 16 year olds to fuck each others brains out.

Sorry.

The Merry Widow said...

Would you please stop with the filth? I don't use that kind of language and I would appreciate it if you didn't either. Thank you.

tmw

beakerkin said...

Weazie is this some type of new flirting technique? Nanc is too sophisticated for an uncooth vulgarian like yourself.

Have you found any readers yet? Those with no talent always envy their superiors. Face it Weazie your blog is garbage and you are a moron. Take a hike and get medicated.

Farmer John said...

Don't forget to add the moly! It'll protect you from the sophist's charms better than garlic. You don't want to be transformed into a filthy pig like weazie.

nanc said...

weazl doesn't understand the complexity of lust. and to think, i've probably been nicer to him than even his own kind.

Mr. Ducky said...

Gee nanc, just what are weaz's own kind?

The complexity of lust? What the hell does that mean?

The party of personal responsibility. This clown gets nabbed talking about masturbation with 16 year old boys and he blames the Catholic church. Yeah, he's a spineless conservative. Almost as venial as the "types" that are trying to make excuses for him.

beakerkin said...

This may be the only time I agree with the Duck. However, Foley should move to MA where man slaughter, running a brithel from your house, actual relations with a teen and treason are not bariers to election. Let Teddy Kennedy throw the first stone.

The Merry Widow said...

plucky, have you seen anyone, who is a regular here, give any excuses for Foley? I sure haven't. So your accusations are bogus and gratuitous.

tmw

nanc said...

lust is only simple for those who "do whatever feels good" - it only becomes complex when we weigh in the balance the consequences of our actions.

sure - it may feel good for the moment but what are the longterm effects - will it be worth it?

that is what i meant, plucky - even you should have been able to smell what i was stepping in!

as for weazl's kind - general leftist potty mouths who use a foul word when there are at least twenty perfectly good adjectives he could have used instead. there are very few people who can pull that type of language off and come across with some dignity and he's not one of them.

beamish and bargholz come to mind...

Mr. Beamish the Instablepundit said...

Beyond the arbitrary "age of consent" law aspect of this, if you bother to read the transcripts of the text messages sent between Foley and his ::ahem:: slice-of-life partner, this isn't "cyber-predator" stalker stuff.

These text messages and emails were two faggots, one underage, flirting with each other.

Big deal.

If Foley had been text messaging Osama Bin Laden, Democrats would be screaming bloody murder that his privacy was raped.

Mad Zionist said...

How can I put this in a way that doesn't offend anybody? hmmmm....

Mohammed repeatedly f-cked a 9 year old girl.

There, that oughta do it.

Mr. Beamish the Instablepundit said...

MZ,

The latest Democrat argument seems to be that House Speaker Dennis Hastert should resign from his position because he didn't know what two gonad garglers privately text messaged each other with during a floor vote.

[This blog comment was not monitored by Democrats for approval before publishing]

JINGOIST said...

Beamish,

"gonad garglers"? ROFLMAO!!! That's frikkin hilarious! And here I thought I'd heard every English language rendition for that particular practice. Starting with "pillow biters." :-)

Morgan

nanc said...

my personal beamishism is "sphincter spelunkers" - even my family ROFLTTO!

Elmer's Brother said...

I would have thought Plucky would have "stuck up" for Foley. (Foley's too old for Plucky anyway)

uptownseteve said...

mad zionist

"Homosexuality is also a sexual disorder that sometimes can be cured and sometimes can't."

You can't be serious.

Can you?

How can you cure something that is totally fundamental to certain people's being?

Elmer's Brother said...

Uppity you mean like being a race baiter?

uptownseteve said...

beaker

"My hunch is probably, sexual misbehavior seems to be tolerated more in the Democratic party of Kennedy, Clinton and Frank."

Oh yeah, right.

Clinton was only IMPEACHED for adultery with an adult woman.

Frank, while definitely disgusting personally, didn't break any laws and no charges were ever filed against Kennedy after 37 years.

"I am certain that Mc Greevey will make another run for public office in the future."

McGreevey's issues were adultery and nepotism.

He resigned from office and has said publicly that he is finished with public service.


"However, the party that has sent Ted Kennedy to the Senate for thirty years needs to look at its own values."

I don't see any Democrats making value judgements.

They seem to only want a full investigation of Foley's actions vis-a-vis the underage page.

And beaker, the voters of Massachusetts have sent Kennedy to the Senate for 40 years.

Presumably many of the same voters who elected Republicans like William Weld and Mitt Romney.

JINGOIST said...

Uppy as far as we know, Foley's only a miserable pervert. Unlike Gerry Studds (D-MA), who took HIS young page out of the country to Morrocco for a good olde fashion round of "rump roasting." He then came home and showed his ass and ran for office again and WON repeatedly. Although he was reprimanded by the pathetic Dems he recieved THREE standing O's from the Dems atr the next meeting of the House.
The difference? The pervert from afar, Foley, only had "phone sex" while the dem hero had real sex with a page. Foley resigned under Republican pressure. Studds was lionized by the pathetic Dems. Now go ahead and talk about hypocrisy if you dare. Care to include Cintoon the rapist or Teddy the swimmer? I thought not.

Morgan

uptownseteve said...

jingoist,

"Also I don't think the Fl hottie/teacher commited rape at all. The adult was a woman who bore the entire risk of preganancy and the extraordinarily grateful young man had nothing but fun, he's a hero to his buddies. No harm was done to him, believe me.
She did commit a serious ethical breach and should be fired and never allowed to teach children. Having said that it's just silly to say that this is the exact same as an adult male teacher who has sex with a 12 or 13 year old female."

I actually agree with you on this.

If a hot 23 year old woman would have made herself availble to me as a 16 year old I would have jumped on her like bullfrog on a lillypad and I'm sure most 16 year old straight males would do the same.

However she did abuse her position as a teacher and I also feel that she is a sociopath.

I'm sure that there were many adult men who would have gladly obliged her.

"Beaker honesty and experience compels me to take issue with your statement about homosexuals and pedophilia. Like you I count a number of gays and lesbians among my good friends."

Behavorists assert that 1 out 6 human beings are either homosexual or have had a homosexual experience.

I think most of us have gay people in our lives at some level.

As a youth I, admittedly was a homophobe. Not a hater but a typical NYC kid.

We used the word "faggot" liberally and harassed efeminate men.

About 18 years ago a close member of my family came out of the closet and disclosed their homosexuality.

At that point all gay stereotypes and hostility went right out of the window for me because this person is one of the most decent and honorable people IN THE WORLD.

"I also believe that the incidence of pedophilia is higher among gay men than straight."

You are wrong.

Most pedophiles are straight men.

uptownseteve said...

jingoist

"Care to include Cintoon the rapist or Teddy the swimmer?"

Have any evidence that Clinton raped anyone?

Yeah, you've got hearsay.

And I'm sure Ted Kennedy is a fine swimmer.

Is that a crime?

Anonymous said...

Hello Beaker,how are you? Sorry I haven't been here in awhile.Great article. Its disgusting,not just what Foley did,but seeing the Dems re-act,with so much phony outrage,like this is the political party of such honor and values.This is the kind of behavoir they coddle. Their only out-rage is that poeple such as ourselves have ANY values. That people can believe the homosexuality is wrong,that marriage is between a man and a woman and in short,there is a right and a wrong is what they find hyocritical. They would,since they have no values of their own,save moral relativism. They feel people such as we as ''judgementall',''repressive'' and ''controlling''.Pathetic. How have you been? Donal has been under the weather recently. Broken arm and some recent complications. She's home though and on the mend. A friendly word from a friend would sure cheer her up,now what I mean? be well friend,I'll be here more often.J'Mac.

uptownseteve said...

BTW Studds was an embarassment to the Democrats.

Nobody "lionized" him.

And you can fault the voters of his district for sending him back to Congress, not the party.

Elmer's Brother said...

Then there's Mel Reynolds.

Elmer's Brother said...

I know Uppity it was a race thing

JINGOIST said...

Uppy the Dems gave him THREE standing ovations! He may have been an embarrassment to some Dems. In Cleveland and Syracuse. Gotta go now, I can't wait to respond to the rest of your "stuff."

Morgan

Mr. Beamish the Instablepundit said...

Nanc and Morgan,

The comprehensive list of family-friendly (?) homosexuality-related Beamishisms is:

anal angler
bilge buffer
colon clogger
dookie diver
fecal ferret
fudge fluffer
gonad gargler
Hershey humper
sphincter spelunker
turd taster...

there were others, but it's been years since I compiled the list.

uptownseteve said...

elmer

Reynolds is a slug.

He's no longer in office.

What's your point?

Mr. Beamish the Instablepundit said...

How did I ever forget "rectum rover" and "weenie whistler?"

beakerkin said...

Uptown is running a brothel out of your townhouse in exchange for sexual favors against the law. Frank also fixed the parking tickets of the pimp.

Whatever Foley did there was no man slaughter or rape allegations?
Nor was there any evidence of actual sexual contact with a subordinate which is sexual harassment.

Then there is Mel Reynolds who Clintooon pardoned. Foley got what he deserved but let Kennedy throw the first stone.

J Mac good to see you. I wish we didn't see Uptown but that is par for the course.

beakerkin said...

Chumptown

Lets see Studs ran for office in the insane State of MA and was never censured. Reynolds was pardoned by Bill Clintoon. Shall we go into Teddy the Swimmer or Juanita Broderick, Katherine Willey or Paula Jones. Everyone is lying but slick Willy.

Elmer's Brother said...

Didn't he get a job with Jesse Jackson? and wasn't he pardoned by Clinton? Sin's universal that's my point. It has nothing to do with political ideology.

uptownseteve said...

beaker

Was Frank charged for prostitution?

Nope.

Reynolds was convicted and did time.

Are you defending Foley or just attempting moral equivalency?

I say just let the Foley investigation take it's course.

uptownseteve said...

beaker, elmer

WHAT IS YOUR POINT?

Because Studds and Reynolds were perverts, Foley shouldn't be investigated?

uptownseteve said...

More charges on Foley as we speak according to MSNBC.

Foley once visited the page dorm on Capitol Hill in a drunken stupor and was turned away by US Capitol Police.

Elmer's Brother said...

It started with your apology of the Dems:

I don't see any Democrats making value judgements.



On July 20, 1983 the House voted for censure, the first time that censure had been imposed for sexual misconduct. Crane, who subsequently apologized for his transgression, lost his bid for reelection in 1984.

Studds, however, stood by the facts of the case and refused to apologize for his behavior, and even turned his back and ignored the censure being read to him. He called a press conference with the former page, in which both stated that the young man, who was 17, consented. Studds had taken the adolescent to Morocco to engage in sexual activity, and therefore did not break any U.S. laws in what he called a "private relationship. He continued to be reelected until his retirement in 1996.



NO Foley should be investigated. My point is that the Demlibs using a huge brush to paint Republicans like a bunch of pedophile enablers is silly given the past transgressions of BOTH parties.

Elmer's Brother said...

beak can you delete the comment of 9:01 thanks. I tried.

uptownseteve said...

elmer

"My point is that the Demlibs using a huge brush to paint Republicans like a bunch of pedophile enablers is silly given the past transgressions of BOTH parties."

WHO IS DOING THIS???

Name One and provide a quote.

This is all about FOLEY and the alleged coverup by the GOP leadership.

The GOP, remember?

The party of VALUES.

tee hee

Mr. Beamish the Instablepundit said...

So, he's being charged with "once showing up drunk" on Capitol Hill?

Ted Kennedy better mind his p's and q's.

uptownseteve said...

Ex-Republican Congressman and TV talk show host Joe Scarborough asserts there are SEVERAL gay GOP Congressman and that a couple are in leadership positions.

uptownseteve said...

beamish

Foley showed up late at night, pissy drunk, at a PAGE DORMITORY.

What do you think he went there for, to see that they were all tucked safely in their beds??

Then again, maybe so.

tee hee

Elmer's Brother said...

Daily Kos:

We now move from removing the rotten apple to focusing on the barrel.

Daily Kos has learned that, unnoticed by the mainstream media, Congressional Republicans have engaged in a systematic pattern, lasting for years, of solicitations intended to induce these companies to enter into unhealthy relationships with senators and representatives.

from the DNC

Viguerie Said That The Leaders Were "Enablers" By Not Investigating Foley Earlier. "Richard A. Viguerie, the direct-mail pioneer, said that the leaders were 'enablers' by doing nothing to investigate Foley earlier, and said they should not be allowed to hide behind a criminal investigation until Election Day. 'This isn't an isolated situation,' said Viguerie, author of a book accusing the White House and congressional Republicans of violating conservative principles. 'It is only the most recent example of Republican House leaders doing whatever it takes to hold on to power. If it means spending billions of taxpayers' dollars on questionable projects, they'll do it. If it means covering up the most despicable actions of a colleague, they'll do it.'" [Philadelphia Inquirer, 10/3/06]

Mr. Beamish the Instablepundit said...

Oh good grief Uptownseteve.

I'd expect Ducky to say the idiotic things you have above because he insists that everyone have no doubts that he's a leftist, and such proclamations require him to vent stupidity at every opportunity.

The "party of values" forced Foley the Faggot to resign his Congressional seat a month out from an election.

As much as it pleases me that the number of people in our government with the birth defect / psychological disorder that causes homosexuality has been reduced by one, I'm sorry the Republican party can't do much more in that effort.

This is a good ol' Max Baucus style "smear the queer" Democrat attack after all, isn't it?

At least Foley actually is gay, which means the Dems "aim" is improving, I guess.

Elmer's Brother said...

Ex-Republican Congressman and TV talk show host Joe Scarborough asserts there are SEVERAL gay GOP Congressman and that a couple are in leadership positions

uppity there might even be a conservative GASP! Christian Democrat out there too.

uptownseteve said...

elmer

Seems to me that the "Daily Kos" is just reporting news.

Richard Viguerie is a rightwing REPUBLICAN.

beakerkin said...

Foley resigned end of story.

Lets see has Ted Kennedy been punished for manslaughter. Has Barney Frank been punished for running a brothel out of his home in exchange for freebies.

Mel Reynolds was pardoned by whom and works where.

uptownseteve said...

elmer

"uppity there might even be a conservative GASP! Christian Democrat out there too."

MOST Democrats are Christians.

100% of the Congressional Black Caucus, for instance.

Duh.

Mr. Beamish the Instablepundit said...

Uh oh...

Now it's breaking / developing news that the young faggot that Foley the Faggot was text messaging faggot stuff back and forth with was 18 years old at the time the messages were sent.

So, a non-story is now even more of a non-story. Of course, we'll always have Ducky and Uptownseteve to root out other faggots that serve the wrong party, so not exactly nothing good came of this.

uptownseteve said...

beaker

"Lets see has Ted Kennedy been punished for manslaughter."

Kennedy was never CHARGED with manslaughter.

"Has Barney Frank been punished for running a brothel out of his home in exchange for freebies."

Frank was never charged for such offenses.

You're engaging in slander.

"Mel Reynolds was pardoned by whom and works where."

So let Bush pardon Foley and give him a job with the Carlye Group.

My toes will still be tappin.

Elmer's Brother said...

Uppity I said conservative Christians.

duh

uptownseteve said...

beamish

"The "party of values" forced Foley the Faggot to resign his Congressional seat a month out from an election."

PUH-LEEZE.

Foley resigned because the press got a hold of his lascivous e-mails.

There is growing evidence that the leadership of the "Party of Values" covered up reports of Foley's escapades.

beakerkin said...

Uptown

The details I have provided about Barney Frank are widely known. If you do not take the time to inform yourself this is not my problem.

Whatever Foley did nobody died because of it. A woman died in Chapaquidick and Teddy Kennedy was out swimming and left her to die. The fact that Kennedy was never charged and has been sent back by the demented people of MA proves zero. Kennedy's behavior is well known and is far worse than anything Foley did.

Was Bill Clintoooon investigated for the serious allegations of Juanita Broderick, Kathleen Willey and who knows whom else. How does Paula Jones know what the first member looks like. The crimes of Clintoooon and the perjury were far more serious then some dirty emails.

uptownseteve said...

elmer

"Uppity I said conservative Christians."

You mean REPUBLICAN Christians.

What's the difference between a conservative CHRISTIAN and a liberal CHRISTIAN but in the way they vote?

Mr. Beamish the Instablepundit said...

Covered up what, from who?

Text messages are two-way communications.

The transcripts reveal a conversation between two consenting faggots.

E-mails are one-way communications.

Asking someone in the wake of Hurricane Katrina how they're doing and for a picture isn't "lascivious."

Granted, I've not been in a public school in almost 20 years so I'm not immediately familiar with just how stupid the next generation is. But I don't think the word "lascivious" can be stretched to include a email request for a picture.

All the rabbit trails follow back to a faggot privately being a faggot.

What's next, persecuting Nancy Pelosi for public cluelessness?

kuhnkat said...

The REAL POINT is that the press and the sensitive Republicans and Democrats, and all the rest of the world are hanging people before the trial as usual.

Slime ball Foley, it turns out, had his hottest exchanges with the Page AFTER he turned 18!!!!

I am eagerly awaiting the preponderance of evidence which, I would remind you, is still in the future, after we have filtered out all the lies and innuendo.

HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA

Mr. Beamish the Instablepundit said...

I'm laughing myself sick at the Democratic game plan...

"Those evil Republicans may have kept a faggot's sex life a secret! Vote for us!"

I guess its better than the usual annual helping of the now 170 year old Democrat agenda of "let's keep niggers dependent, chained up and fed slop."

But not much better. I mean, who will be the faggot in the next election?

kuhnkat said...

Uppityslime,

why don't you tell us the story of a certain Mr. Studds, Democrat. You knw, the guy who had a PHYSICAL, SEXUAL affair with a 16 year old page, went on tv with him and claimed it was a consensual affair between adults. The LEFTARD Dems in his district REELECTED him several times and the Congress allowed it.

Sorry, you LEFTARDS have nothing meaningful to say about this.

HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA

uptownseteve said...

beaker

No offical charges by any law enforcement agency were filed against Kennedy or Frank.

Let's see what the Foley investigation reveals.

I'll accept the findings, whatever they are.

Will you?

The claims of rape by Broderick and Willey are pure hearsay and have produced NO CHARGES.

I do believe Clinton thought that Paula Jones was easy pickins and pulled his dick out in front of her, but so what?

It was before he was President, he didn't touch her, she got paid, he was impeached after presiding over the greatest period of economic prosperity and peace in the last 60 years, and the GOP screamed "moral decadence".

How do you excuse FOLEY????

uptownseteve said...

"I guess its better than the usual annual helping of the now 170 year old Democrat agenda of "let's keep niggers dependent, chained up and fed slop.""

NICE beamish.

I can always tell when I've cut you clowns deep.

You let it ALL hang out.

uptownseteve said...

beamish

"I'm laughing myself sick at the Democratic game plan..."

What do you have to say about the GOP game plan which looks to me like crabs in a barrell?

Mr. Beamish the Instablepundit said...

Psst, Uptownseteve.

The 170 year record of Democrats having no agenda beyond fucking over black people (and what the "conscience of the Senate" Robert Byrd calls "white niggers" i.e. people who wrok for a living) is not news around here.

Pull up a chair sometime and I'll tell you about it.

uptownseteve said...

"Pull up a chair sometime and I'll tell you about it.'

Make sure you put the crack pipe down before the discussion.

Elmer's Brother said...

liberal Christian - pro abortion, against the death penalty, believe in theistic evolution, any number of doctrinal issues.. e.g.

conservative Christian - pro life, creationist (ancient or recent)e.g.

you want more

Daily Kos characterization that it's systemic is not reporting but generalizing.

Elmer's Brother said...

Make sure you put the crack pipe down before the discussion.

Conspiracy Brother - you first

Mr. Beamish the Instablepundit said...

The GOP game plan?

Hmmm.

Weeks upon weeks of Republican "inner party bickering" over Congressional and White House proposals for detaining and holding trials for terror suspects resulting in a bill that both achieves the objectives set out by the President and showcases the ideological engines of the party - while Democrats added nothing to the debate and will eventually pull a "we don't know what we voted for" manuever (i.e. Patriot Act, Iraq War resolution, etc.)

Among other things, Republicans can present the economy, successes in defending against terrorism, successes in capturing terrorists (and the surveilance tools necessary for capturing them), etc. and turn to the Democrats and ask for their ideas, and get:

"Who else is a faggot in your party?"

The funniest thing to me about it all is that in December, 2006, Democrats will still be wondering why they don't control any branches of government.

Should we be nice and tell them?

uptownseteve said...

"conservative Christian - pro life, creationist (ancient or recent)e.g."

Bob Casey Jr. of Pennsylvania.

"Daily Kos characterization that it's systemic is not reporting but generalizing."

If it's found that the GOP Speaker of the House covered up for Foley then that's damn sure evidence of the problem being "systemic".

Ya think?

uptownseteve said...

"Among other things, Republicans can present the economy, successes in defending against terrorism, successes in capturing terrorists (and the surveilance tools necessary for capturing them), etc."

ROTFLMBAO!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
hahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahaha!!

Yeah right beamish.

Tell me another one.

OMIGOD!

Too Much!

I'm going to bed.

G'night you lunatics!

Elmer's Brother said...

No it shows that Hastert and anyone who knew about it screwed up. duh

Not the whole Republican Party.

Mr. Beamish the Instablepundit said...

Uptownseteve,

If the economy were bad, if GOP counter-terrorism methods were ineffective, if NSA surveillance programs really didn't curtail Al Qaeda's financial and communications capabilities, then why is it that the Democrat's NUMBER ONE ISSUE going into the elections 3 weeks from now is...

"Omigod! There's a faggot in the House of Representatives!"

Tell me something.

Does Barney Frank know it is a violation of Democrat "ethics" rules for him to email or text a fellow faggot during a floor vote?

Elmer's Brother said...

Conservative Christian Denomination e.g Baptist General Conference

Liberal Christian Denomination - e.g. United Methodist Churches, American Baptist Churches

There are exceptions but most of it relates to Biblical exegesis.

Elmer's Brother said...

I didn't know Bob Casey was on the Black Democratic Caucus?

Mr. Beamish the Instablepundit said...

Seriously, Uptownseteve. Stop putting your faith in the Democratic Party to formulate a coherent ideology and implement it.

The most recently documentable "idea" Democrats have come up with - shooting at US military installations because they lost a presidential election to a guy that wanted to end slavery in America - didn't go over so well.

Elmer's Brother said...

Zell Miller

Elmer's Brother said...

the joke went over head Uppity

Ex-Republican Congressman and TV talk show host Joe Scarborough asserts there are SEVERAL gay GOP Congressman and that a couple are in leadership positions

uppity there might even be a conservative GASP! Christian Democrat out there too.

Of course there are conservative Christian Democrats (admittedly there are few) and of course there are also homosexual Republicans

tell us something we don't know

nanc said...

now i see what happens when my server goes down for hours on end - but just enough for me to get the TEN THOUSANDTH POST AT LONGRANGE! yippee - it's my birthday - it's my birthday...wait, no, that would make me 51 - i'm not ready for that...

maybe seteve really went to bed?

nanc said...

whoever said it wasn't about the numbers was a lying leftist!

Mr. Beamish the Instablepundit said...

I was happy with 9988... which is basically 7.

Mr. Beamish the Instablepundit said...

maybe seteve really went to bed?

It is a school night...

Elmer's Brother said...

the fix was in at long range...I thought employees and sponsors of long range were not eligible! Dayam I am pissed!

nanc said...

hmmm...

pist off - pist on

pist off - pist on

.............

Elmer's Brother said...

I want my storm door.

nanc said...

COME AND GET IT!

nanc said...

rigatoni!

The Merry Widow said...

EB- Take a trip to the Ozarks, it's beautiful this time of year, then you can report on wheither or not Nanc is Sophia Loren's long lost love child! :wink: And have a choice of goodies, like a storm door!

tmw

nanc said...

lasagna!

The Merry Widow said...

foccacia

tmw

Mr. Beamish the Instablepundit said...

Nanc's making lasagna?

Cool, I'm in. Dibs on my fair share.

Did she make enough for y'all? I ain't sharing.

nanc said...

looks like tmw is bringin' the bread!

The Merry Widow said...

Yupper, I am! 3 different kinds too, with some slightly warmed olive oil and seasonings to slurp to your hearts content. I also figured with Mr. B. there, I would figure how much I needed and multiplied by 4. Whose got the salad?

tmw

The Merry Widow said...

We are going to have to have a blogger party, everybody ends up talking about food here!

tmw

beakerkin said...

Okay speaking about Food on Saturday we will prepare another roast for Freedom Now. Bring all your bad jokes and quips.

We will even let Greg post as long as he restricts himself to the subject of Freedom Now.

Has anyone seen Felis? I am somewhat concerned.

nanc said...

my fern? y'all better be nice!

linkster is doing great, beak - get with aow to get the lowdown.

Mr. Beamish the Instablepundit said...

I don't eat much. I just wanna zip off with the leftovers.

Mr. Beamish the Instablepundit said...

I'll bring the rumaki. :)

nanc said...

i haven't had rumaki since...well, since i last had rumaki - you were probably a chainsaw wielding toddler at the time.

The Merry Widow said...

That's a long time, Nanc. I think Mr. B. was a teenager the last I had. A dynamite throwing teenager, just for fishing of course!
Good morning, G*D bless and Maranatha!

tmw