I find myself wondering about larger forums like Front Page Magazine and Bad Eagle
and their limitations. I had started posting less frequently at FPM largely due to the antics of a serial predator Socrates. His abusive clutter and multiple handles made the place dreadful inspite of many wonderful friends like Donal, JMac, Canadian Steve , Mike and Batya to name a few. I even learned to like anti semitic posters like Uptown Steve, UU and the egomaniacal Prof Pike. I enjoyed sending the dour Pike off the deep end with talk about Van Nuys. He may be to the left but he is a prude.
I spent more time at Bad Eagle and ran into a different problem. Dr Yeagley is a brilliant gentleman. However he chose a moderator who does not share his ideals. Thus we have a site that caters to American Indian Patriots and their allies being moderated by a Scott from Canada who is anti American but not Commie. This Scott was part of a clique that violated rules for its own convenience. This moderator seems to think of Bad Eagle as his site. I have made it clear I have no inention of returning to the forum under current management.
I remember the people at FPM and Bad Eagle joking about the upstart blog. Yet through
perserverence and fresh content we have built our own blog community.Our community spans the world and we admit or restrict who we choose. Even the obnoxious anti semitic Weasie tried to find his place here. He has a few readers and comments he is content and stays out of trouble. Hopefully, he will find an audience and learn some manners.
Maybe the larger blogs are a victim of their size but they need direction. Few people understand what it takes to run a big board Rocco Dippio and Richard Poe understand. I find myself in situations Richard Poe envisioned . Censorship was a non issue on a small blog but as we grew larger new issues arrose. Posters with Psychopathic tendencies like Soc are aborted. Weasie is tolerated until he gets profane or talks of Soc. The problem I have with John Brown is not the disagreement but the vulgarity. The ethnic slurs and Nancy abuse will not be accepted. Anum makes her comments and leaves so she doesn't qualify as a troll and is largely stupid. The Duck doesn't even qualify as a troll as he disagrees coherently and we can have a interesting debate.
I think the larger boards like Front Page Magazine and Bad Eagle are prisoners of their size. They are too big and have divided leadership to have a real sense of community. Somewhere Richard Poe is probably laughing as every one of his predictions came true.
I enjoy the community we have built here. However remember as the community grows some unsavory elements will drift in. We should still welcome newcomer but understand that there are trolls with criminal tendencies out there like Soc. However, each one of us will have to make individual choices.
Mr Beamish in 08, Ducky to the shooting gallery, 167 Back in the Coffin, Soc where is the Meathead another alias bites the dust.
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We miss you at FPM Beaker. Actually, it's never been the same since you left. UU still leaves troll droppings every now and then, Socrates still uses various allises, and uptown is a distant memory (since December anyways). Morgan has disappeared completely, and Jinny makes rare visits. Oh well, like you say--the big forums may have run out of luck. Good thing I followed in your footsteps and started blogging myself.
Any problems with the Recidivist lately?
I started out in the smaller community. Sure, I've ventured into some of the larger ones, but I keep coming back here--where my cyber family is.
BTW, at the symposium, David Horowitz made it clear to me why the Islamofascists and the Leftists are on the same side, in spite of what many perceive as incongruities and conflicts (feminism, homosexuality). In short, what they share in common is a belief that they can establish utopie, never mind that personal freedom and civil rights have to fall by the wayside in order to establish that utopia.
David Horowitz is a brilliant and eloquent speaker. I must donate to FPM and read some of Horowitz's books. As a latecomer to the political scene, I have a lot to learn. I don't think that I can ever catch up! I was asleep for decades--not deceived, just asleep. I ashamed of myself for having slept from 1968, my graduation from high school, until 2001.
I hardly ever post at big blogs anymore. The localized ones are much more personal and conducive to hot topical expressions. The biggies tend to get watered down and dull, vanilla and predictable, while the little guys keep it fresh and highly opinionated. Much more fun in small town if you ask me.
I think it depends what you expect from your blog.
Large forums get out of control because the rules are nit clearly defined.
I started my blog as a educational tool to get across a certain point of view.
The general aim to get people off MSM and start participating in spreading news.
Many of these people won't stay around a place where the arguments get into the gutter level.
They need friendly environment, where they do not feel hassled and challenged into mud wrestling.
As you pointed out building a community is important, but this is just the first step.
Gaining large audience is another, numbers mean political muscle and influence – I think only this way we can make a difference.
well, i want to thank beak and of course ALL of you for welcoming me into the mix - especially, poor madze who's probably put up with me the longest since the doors of mbc closed - what a sad day - like seeing your only child leave your home.
it is becoming like a neighborhood to navigate through. i go to beamish to link to some of his links, madze's to link to a couple of others, aow to link to quite a few more - linking reminds me of golf. linking is how i met up with warren and some other great minds.
it has become increasingly difficult to go back to fpm. democracy frontline and autonomist are about the biggest blogs i attend anymore.
if you think about it, our differences are what make us interesting to one another, yet the things we have in common are what cement our growing numbers. amazing - i'm not going to fight it anymore. now stop before you make me cry.
Florian
The Recidivist is known on this blog as 167. He has changed his name to 167. He used to post over at our friend Rob Bayns. However Rob may be on the left but is still his own person.
The Recidivist deleted all his posts and started over as a new blogger named Fizhog 101. He is still vehmently antisemitic but fell into a rating trap. He only drew large numbers if he was under attack by me. When he banned all critical commentary his blog became a bore. There never was much
substance to his bile.
I have a fairly low opinion of JLowe as JLowe like Soc is actually
a man who posted under the name Lobsterman. JLowe labeled me Socrates in the beginig in spite of the fact that my writing style is completely different. Soc never invented aliases that attacks him either. Jinny posts are not that great.
UU is not a bad guy in that he plays by the rules. All of us know
he is an anti semite but at least he post under one name . He is not vulgar and one can share a decent thread with him at times.
I do miss Northern Steve, Mike and Zinla to name a few. However FPM has become passe largely due to the antics of Soc who posts under multiple aliases. His fictional creations all demonstrate his lack of skill as a writer.
I am fairly tolerant of others opinions. We accept people for what they are and aren't because we
are human. My big problem with John Brown is the vulgarity. There is zero need to label AOW, Warren, Brooke and any others Klansmen.
If he wants space and to air his Marxist views fine do so like Ducky without the profanity. If he is looking to build an audience it is not likely he will find one here
except Weasie. Even Weasie has toned it down here and is content with a few posters.
AOW
The best Horowitz book is the one that you may not find. If you can aquire a copy of the Second thoughts conference grab it. It is a series of short essays and you will get aquiainted with Ronald Radosh, Julius Lester, Michael Medved and others in a quick refreshing format.
Our community is like a second home
with a series of new members. I look foward to the familiar posts.
Mr Beamish is the funniest man on the web and the ultimate foe of evil.
MZ Where did you pick up Dana ? He is a one note bore and almost a cliche. I have seen worse but it is hard to top the Star Wars obsessed Comme female Jedi Master B%^&%&. Warren read that one as well. I found one in Australia at the brilliant but short lived Why Palestinians get it wrong. There was an incoherent Australian antisemitic girl named Angela with the worst blog in modern history.
She seemed like a mall rat who was out of her element amongs people with double digit IQs.
Nanc it was only a matter of time till you created your own blog. Yet some of our best commenters do not have blogs of their own. Farmer John certainly is eloquent but he has yet to have a blog of his own. TMW seems content as a poster and that is fine .
Felis you are correct in that we do have view to get out. However, Warren and I never expected our community to become so vast when we started. It was rough going at first and many people who scoffed at us are long gone.
Dana is my absolute favorite troll. She can always be counted on saying something completely ignorant due to her lack of original thought.
She spits out pre-packaged propaganda without even understanding how badly she sets herself up.
Anyways, there is an interesting ocmmunity of bloggers and commentators out there.
Blogs will never die they will just evolve into more multimedia based platforms.
Beak- You're right, I have enough on my plate right now! I'll be glad to bring a dish to the potluck, help clean up, wash some dishes, but I'm not able to hostess a gathering at my own place yet! If you need me to come over and dust, just ask!
Top o' the morning to you! Another crummy day in paradise, all sun no rain!
tmw
Freedom Now,
Dana is my absolute favorite troll. She can always be counted on saying something completely ignorant due to her lack of original thought.
That's the first definition of a troll.
Beak,
Mr Beamish is the funniest man on the web and the ultimate foe of evil.
Beamish in '08! And Warren to design the campaign posters and billboards--and Axeman to be head of security.
I am one lucky person to be a part of this community. A year ago, I was feeding Northern Virginiastan, by invitation after a period of time of providing NV with anonymous and pertinent info related just to my region.
TMW I find myself not interested in Bad Eagle beyond the posts of She Designs and Ecology. Mark Winters is funny but I rarely read anymre.
Dr Yeagley is a good man but Mac does much of his dirty work. Most of the time he does the appropriate
thing but in my case it was a personal fued. Dr Yeagley and the Mad Potter offered me a probationary reinstatement but I said no.
I put more energy into building my
blog and am happy here. The risk one takes when one bans is that valued posters will ask to return
but some do not.
AOW Dana is a predictable Jewish Pie in the sky moron with zero grasp of history. If the Arabs are
defined correctly this whole joke about a need for a Palestinian State becomes moot. The issue is pan Arabism and the Arabs and the left have been playing bait and switch with the creation of new ethnicities.
Indigenous people are not indigenous only when they are Jews and Christians. Colonialism is good
so long as it is sanction by manifesto or Koran.
The above sums up the stupidity of John Brown, Ducky, 167,147 and Dana the dunce.
Anyone who wants to run a serious forum on any topic must be acutely aware that leftist participants, due to their leftism, aren't ever going to contribute anything anyone would mistake for intellectual content. That's just the nature of the beast.
Beaker- I don't go to the forum side at BadEagle anymore, it's to depressing with all the anger and prejudice spewwed there. I comment on the blog and am quite content to do so. You, Ecology, Bodvar, Concha and a couple others are good folks to hang with and now that kps has been banned it is more informative and less acrimonious! Here is where I spend more time with you and your links along with MadZ. Good discussions and a little dust up occassionally are fine by me!
tmw
I love the small blogs. They remind me of a certain conversation I overheard once, long, long, ago... (Plato, "Gorgias")
SOCRATES: There again, noble Polus, you are raising hobgoblins instead of refuting me; just now you were calling witnesses against me. But please to refresh my memory a little; did you say--'in an unjust attempt to make himself a tyrant'?
POLUS: Yes, I did.
SOCRATES: Then I say that neither of them will be happier than the other, --neither he who unjustly acquires a tyranny, nor he who suffers in the attempt, for of two miserables one cannot be the happier, but that he who escapes and becomes a tyrant is the more miserable of the two. Do you laugh, Polus? Well, this is a new kind of refutation,--when any one says anything, instead of refuting him to laugh at him.
POLUS: But do you not think, Socrates, that you have been sufficiently refuted, when you say that which no human being will allow? Ask the company.
SOCRATES: O Polus, I am not a public man, and only last year, when my tribe were serving as Prytanes, and it became my duty as their president to take the votes, there was a laugh at me, because I was unable to take them. And as I failed then, you must not ask me to count the suffrages of the company now; but if, as I was saying, you have no better argument than numbers, let me have a turn, and do you make trial of the sort of proof which, as I think, is required; for I shall produce one witness only of the truth of my words, and he is the person with whom I am arguing; his suffrage I know how to take; but with the many I have nothing to do, and do not even address myself to them. May I ask then whether you will answer in turn and have your words put to the proof? For I certainly think that I and you and every man do really believe, that to do is a greater evil than to suffer injustice: and not to be punished than to be punished.
POLUS: And I should say neither I, nor any man: would you yourself, for example, suffer rather than do injustice?
SOCRATES: Yes, and you, too; I or any man would.
-FJ
...in other words ducky, Socrates didn't put much stock in the "opinions" of men, as represented by their votes. Yes, a vote can create a "new" reality, but it won't necessarily be a "better" reality.
And as for the truth about Ohio, that is something that can never be known with absolute certainty. It is merely something that men will hold "opinions" about. And many of those opinions will be wrong.
-FJ
I still use FrontPage magazine as a source of information. This is what I think the larger forums do best. I've read some of the comments but I haven't never posted there.
Ducky
Do not talk about FPMs factual content when you just spun a whoppper of a conspiracy tale yourself. Everytime the left don't get their way stolen elections and conspiracies abound.
Back to yesterday Duck if communist form and lead a group what is it ????????
Exponential over representation of Marxist in University faculties is adverse impact wait that is only good for admissions . The old boys network in the private sector is evil but Old Bolsheviks network just doesn't exist.
Weasie is trying to emulate your Marxism with a smile act but at least yours in genuine.
TMW
The larger forums do provide a target for trolls. Dr Yeagley does a good job but he made a disasterous choice as moderator. Imagine my making Ducky a moderator at my site.
AC
Front Page magazine is a worthy cause I just donated another check.
The forum is plauged by trolls who post under multiple aliases and steal identities. Your friend Weasie was caught at FPM recently stealing the name of a poster Mahdi
Al Dajal by Nanc.
They are aware of the problems but have yet to come up with a solution. It is very tough when one person has dedicated his life to haunting a chatboard.
mr. ducky,
I guess I forgot to mention this. Socrates' 1st principle of conduct is also stated above... "to do is a greater evil than to suffer injustice". And there you have the complete reason why Socrate's could NOT take the vote... he could NOT commit the injustice of FORCING the opinions of men upon others.
I suggest you read some stories about Benjamin Franklin and early eighteenth century corporations. About Franklin's "Library Company", "Fire Company", "Lighthouse Company", "Water-works Company", "Hospital Company", etc.
The problem with today's VOLUNTARY, non-force wielding corporation's lies in the fact that they are no longer followed by the initials "Ltd." They have become Struldbruggs.
-FJ
Extra-credit question... what does the "spot" over a Struldbrugg's eye symbolically represent?
-FJ
If corporations are Strulbrugg's, the government is a veritable Leviathan
1911 Encyclopedia Britanicca
LEVIATHAN, the Hebrew name (livyathan), occurring in the poetical books of the Bible, of a gigantic animal, apparently the sea or water equivalent of behemoth (q.v.), the king of the animals of the dry land. In Job xli. 15 it would seem to represent the crocodile, in Isaiah xxvii. I it is a crooked and piercing serpent, the dragon of the sea;cf. Psalms civ. 26. Theetymology of the word is uncertain, but it has been taken to be connected with a root meaning to twist. Apart from its scriptural usage, the word is applied to any gigantic marine animal such as the whale, and hence, figuratively, of very large ships, and also of persons of outstanding strength, power, wealth or influence. Hobbes adopted the name as the title of his principal work, applying it to the multitude so united in one person. . . called a commonwealth. . . . This is the generation of that Leviathan, or rather . . . of that mortal God, to which we owe under the immortal God, our peace and defence.
-FJ
Anybody know of a knight-errant we can send to slay the dragon?
-FJ
Gee, I wonder why they only hired chivalrous knights, and not the Black Knight, to slay dragons?
Of course, 1776 marked the end of the aristocracy. It was replaced by a meritocracy... only mr. ducky didn't get the word... so he kept on fighting it, thinking he was battling the old aristocracy.
Soon he hopes to succeed in replacing the meritocracy with the victimocracy ruled by the stupidocracy.
Anyone here familiar with the "Aristocrat's" joke? They're still laughing at it today, they even recently made a movie about it. It must be satire...cuz I don't "get it".
-FJ
ps - "Those heel kicks hurt!"
-FJ
Tell you what duck...why don't you go slay the Leviathan, whilst I try and slay the Struldbruggs? It'll make a nice "change of pace".
-FJ
For to err is human, forgive, Divine.
-FJ
Sorry beak, you can have your thread back... the seizure has passed.
-FJ
Silence is true wisdom's best reply. --Euripides
-FJ
Farmer John
I am thinking of running a Farmer John / Beakerkin special on Utopianism. Do utopians endanger us all ?
I am also running Chapter 1 of the Black Book of Communism for Friday ?
I will run a Rost for Warren as well on the top a rare triple post.
I'll agree to participate beak provided I can come to the forum dressed as Aristophanes. Farmer John will probably be busy sowing some new experimental crop somewhere that day.
-FJ
The truth is, if you are successful at expressing your opinion on the web you will also attract the negative attention of your enemies, whether you are Right or Left.
Ducky can always be counted on to spin the facts out of proper context.
beak,
You can perform the parabasis. I'll be one of the hypocrites, that way I won't have to do an act.
-FJ
FJ
The Utopia bit is a Farmer John Beakerkin special come dressed as anyone other then Fanon.
The Duck is not a bad guy . He is your friendly local Marxist out to Nationalize your property with a smile. He will send troublesome people like Beakerkin and Warren for reeducation in the wilderness.
Ducky
I lived near NYU and have interacted with the film school students. A trip to the Gulag in the Northeast Kingdom would be prefferable to being amongst that crew. Only the clowns at the nearby New School for Commie Subversion makes them look coherent by comparison.
The New School? LOL.
NYU actually has a good business school and a decent economics department. I’ve known quite a few libertarians who studied there. At one point they had a focus on libertarian writers like Hayek and von Mises.
Even their leftists have historically been mild. Sidney Hook, for example, started out as a pragmatic Marxist but ended up at the Hoover Institute. He came around just like Ducky will.
Jason
I keep forgetting that you live not far from my old appartment a stones throw from Union Square. You may be the only person who knows what the joke about the New School for Social Research. It may be the most Marxist bastion of ignorance in the country.
A friend of mine who once took a graduate course in philosophy at the New School used to tell me about the atmosphere. The big question in those days was whether you were a Trotskyite or a Stalinist. That was the only logical possibilities to these students. Perhaps things have changed ... a few Maoists, Frankfurt school, etc. And, of course, everyone loved Fidel.
Hey, I hear anybody else trashin' the NYU Film School, and I'm going to hire a hit man (wonder if I can get tmw w/her fryin' pan) to take care of you.
I am the extremely PROUD parent of an NYU Film School freshman-to-be. Thanks for the recommendation, Sr. le Duque! It was Hopkins or NYU, and NYU came through w/ an offer I couldn't refuse.
So look to see me in the stands rooting for the NYU Football team, and attending ALL their major athletic events!
-FJ
FJ,
The Black Knight? Have you been reading Ivanhoe?
Beak,
If the Arabs are
defined correctly this whole joke about a need for a Palestinian State becomes moot.
Okay. I admit it. I fell for that nonsense back when I was in college.
Amazing what propaganda-spreading leftists can accomplish. I should have known better!
You mean there IS a Black Knight??? (Ooops, I still haven't done that particular piece of homework...)
Mmmm, teach, I think my dog ate my only copy... or it got covered over on the reading table... And tmw just recommended Beowulf... and I'm gonna be in this neat play w/beak so I gotta brush up... can I have another few weeks to read that one? Oh, yeah, and that Hamlet assignment still has digested yet...
Boy, now I'm beginning to know how busy you are! (like my load is even 1/10th)
-FJ
Beak--That jackass Meatheadsub is over on the Coulter thread--how the hell did HE get back on? Lemmee know...
Jason, while I was attending graduate school at Florida International, in one of the graduate classes in political science, General Batista's granddaughter was a student. She had some interesting perspectives on the abuses of Fidel Castro. Of course she didn't have as much to say about her grandfather.
Fidel is hated in Miami generally anyways. JFK isn't too popular either. There are still people from Brigada 2506 who dream of what might have happened if JFK had provided air support.
AOW...the great Palestinian leader Arafat was actually an Egyptian. The whole notion of the Palestinian people is historically incorrect.
ducky...If you're willing to nationalize some of our resources, are you also willing to allow oil expiration in ANWR?
Off the coast of Florida?
How about some new nuclear plants?
What about some new oil refineries?
AC we desperately need new nuke plants for energy. I work for a utility company and our rates have increased by 22% in the last 2 years alone. Nuke power is the wave of the future. It's much cleaner, much cheaper and easier to manage. Now if only the environmental wackos would hold off on childish legislation that drives up everybody's rates--we'd be paying very cheap electricity bills.
FJ: see me in the stands rooting for NYU Football team.
NYU has a football team? Damn, I didn't know that and I lived in the Village for 20 years. Is this electronic football Rev 4.5?
AC: Speaking of Cuba, when does Andy Garcia's film come out? It sounds great. I hear he told the truth about Che ... some are having a hard time with that.
AC I am glad you asked Ducky the question it crossed my mind.
Donal Meahead shortened his name posted once and was likely caught by Roberta
Of course NYU has a football team! In fact, they've got more than one. There's the little yellow team and the little white team with plastic players whom you paint, and put little numbers on, and who play in this little vibrating stadium that gets stored under your roommate's bed in the dorm, room... and you play whenever your roomate needs to separate the seeds and stems from his stash... which you pretend is natural-turf.... but then again, perhaps that's just a little too much information....
-FJ
Seem to be a few crows circling... better go read some Poe.
-FJ
... perhaps that's just a little too much information....
I thought parents are supposed to pretend that they don't know what goes on even though they too were once undergrads. In any case, your son or daughter is a lucky kid to get a chance like that. And for having parents willing to go broke ... but let me not remind you.
FJ,
Easy to figure out very quickly in Ivanhoe...The Black Knight is Richard the Lionhearted. He saves the day many a time.
The best version of Beowulf is that done by Seamus Heaney (sp?).
Your Hamlet assignment still isn't done??? Shame, shame. If you don't already have it, you must get a copy of The Friendly Shakespeare--indispensable. Read Prince Charles paraphrase of the soliloquy.
a few crows circling... better go read some Poe
I'm so tired that the buzzards are circling.
Crusader,
the great Palestinian leader Arafat was actually an Egyptian. The whole notion of the Palestinian people is historically incorrect.
I know that--NOW! But for years I didn't have a clue.
As to Castro, a few of my Spanish profs were exiles from Cuba. I "get it" about Castro.
aow - i heard once, maybe a myth, but arafat had christian food tasters to make sure his food wasn't poisoned.
Ducky,
I have a habit of pointing out stupidity. It's not my fault leftists keep me busy.
FJ- I don't defend Marxists! How much? which size skillet? how hard? where do you want them hit? and how many? do I get piecework? or by the hour? I'll need travel expenses.
Aow- I think that is the translator of my copy.
Beaker- I live on the east coast of Fla., drill!$3+ per gallon is ridiculous, I can't afford it. Food prices are starting to climb, I won't be able to feed my son! Or clothe my daughter.
Beamish in '08, Aow for Sec. of Ed.,Beakerkin or Warren for Sec. of War, maybe Warren for Sec. of Tech., who for Justice? Treasury? Environment?We need to get lined up folks! Campaign slogan? Press secretary? I want Chief of Staff, I know how to tell people NO. A stack of iron skillets on my desk should save the Prez from dealing with idjits! Free up his schedule, keep it cleared enough for roadkill barbeques with the true believers! And range time of course, I think the American people would be happy to pay for an all purpose indoor range and enough ammo for the Prez to practice everyday no matter the weather! It is part of his oath of office after all! Better than drunk driving and almost running into a Capitol police cruiser!
tmw
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