Tuesday, May 16, 2006

An Unexpected Guest in The Hotseat Uptown Steve

Uptown Steve and I are well aquanted from FPM. To be honest I like the guy even though his views are odious. He doesn't misrepresent himself post under multiple aliases . In short he is never a bore and that is the worst crime on a chatboard.

Uptown Steve is a fellow New York City person relocated to Va. He is a Coast Guard Vet and is a father. Some of his critics claim he is a mother as well but that involves hyphens and we won't go there.

This interview will give you a glimpse into Uptown Steve 101.

1 How many years were you in the Coast Guard ? We have another Coast Guard Vet American Crusader ?
2 What is a Goober ? If this is a TV Land reference would a White person calling you Rerun be Racist.
3 Speaking of TV Land what is your opinion of the Jefforsons, Good Times, What's Hapening, The White Shadow, Sanford and Son and the Cosby Show ?
4 You seem to have an animosity towards Thomas Sowwel, Walter Williams, Larry Elder and Leshawn Barber. The first two are accademics do they have the same right to form their own opinions as you.
5 You also have a low opinion of Condoleza Rice. If a Conservative were to call Jesse Jackson a hustler that would be racist. However liberals call her Aunt Jemimah and that is a racial epithet. Why do liberals get a free pass.
6 You also have white and American Indian heritage. What percentage of black ancestry
makes a person black.
7 What are your views on reparations ? Who should pay and why ?
8 What are your views on immigration ? Do illegal imigrants have an adverse impact on African Americans ?
9 What is your view of the Nation of Islam ?
10 Why have you accused Donal, Hispano, JBaumgart and the Pointman of being Jews ? Is this your version of the slur %^%&&* lover ?
11 Speaking of the N word are you in favor of banning Huck Finn for the use of the N word. Paul " Commie Stooge" Robeson used that word thirty times in the Emperor Jones which can be seen on Turner Movie Classics.

NYC
12 You lived not far from Yankee Stadium did you ever go to the games ? What memories stand out.
13 Did you aquire a taste for bagels, knishes and Nathan's Famous in NYC ? There are rumors that you have been known to sneak a bagel when nobody is looking.
14 Were you any good at stickball or skiball
15 Have you heard of the Black Hebrews or the Ten Percenters

Slavery

16 You have claimed that Jews ran the slave trade. What role did Muslims and Arabs play in the Eatern Slave trade ?
17 Who was responsible for ending slavery ?

18 You objected to my description of you as a " Black Nationalist" . Why do you object to this term ?
19 Why do you frequently describe myself and Northern Steve as racists. I have never seen Northern Steve ever post any material that could be remotely construed as racist. I have had frequent battles with racial nuts on FPM and Bad Eagle of all stripes.
20 What FPM poster drives you up the wall ?
21 I understand the racial aspect of calling black people Chimps . Is it okay for Ducky to refer to President Bush as Chimpy ?
22 I have been stopped by the local police sixteen times in VT. The experience is annoying but I survive until the next time. What are your views on racial and ethnic profiling ?
23 What are your views on Afirmative Action ? When should the program end ?
24 What was the last book you read ?
25 Did you watch the Dave Chapelle show or In Living Color ?

67 comments:

FLORIAN said...

Hey Steve when you finish this one perhaps you'll let me interview you?
I'll be fair like I was with John Brown.

uptownseteve said...

Just as I thought beak.

A lot of sophistry, loaded questions and outright nonsense.

But I'll deal with some of them anyway.

I have animosity toward Sowell, Elder, Williams and Barber just as you have animosity toward Jackson, Kennedy, Clinton, etc.

And your point is what?

You have a right to have political enemies and I don't?

A goober is an ignorant rightwinger (although that's redundant).

I don't recall ever disparaging Condoleeza Rice. This is one of your baited questions.

I disagree with her politics but have the utmost admiration for her intellect and accomplishments.

Who called Rice an "Aunt Jemimah" specifically?

And if you can't name anyone or produce a quote admit that you just made it up in order to attempt to score a cheap point.

According to the US social construct, one drop of black blood makes one black.

You can't thank your fellow white folks for that one. Any of you owning up to black ancestry??

The reparation movement is a waste of time.

Unless your ancestors came over on the Mayflower or a slaveship, your forefathers were all illegal immigrants at one time.

As a college educated African American professional I don't see what adverse effect immigration would have on my life.

And why are the loudest and most vociferous foes of immigration white conservatives??

I believe that DONAL, hispano and Pointman are Jews because they have launched into long speeches about the superior intellect and character of Jews. No one does that but Jews, face it.

If I were a Jew, I would pray every night that there were always blacks and hispanics in America to take the full brunt of race hatred in this country because if we weren't here you'd find out real quick how your fellow whites really feel about Jews.

Affirmative Action for minorities has all but been decimated.

Yet the 300 year old AA program for white boys continues on.

That's why an Arabian Horse Race Commissioner was appointed the head of the Federal Emergency Management Agency.

And we saw what kind of job he did and who suffered as a result.

uptownseteve said...

One more thing beak.

I don't recall calling you or Northern Steve racists.

Perhaps you can produce a quote.

You two have no problem calling me an anti-semite and I challenge you to produce an anti-semitic remark from me.

And PLEASE answer my question about Jeff Bargholz who is about as vile a racist as I've ever seen.

He claims that any black who isn't a conservative or a Republican "acts like a Shit slinging monkey".

What kind filth is that beak?

Do you agree with it?

Will you DENOUNCE it as guys like you always want us blacks to denounce other blacks who offend you?

uptownseteve said...

The last book I read was "When Affirmative Action was White" by Ira Katznelson.

A great chronicle of how the US government financed the white urban ethnic and poor white southerners ascent into the middle class and denied those same handouts and privileges to black Americans.

Mr. Ducky said...

Beak, this set of questions seems singularly fixated.

Chimp isn't the only name I use for Bush. Others include....Chucklenuts, Boy George, The Dauphin, The Little Prince, Pus Nuts, Cokehead-in-Chief, President Flightdeck .... the list is long.

beakerkin said...

Uptown you have called both of us racists. I also do not think the questions were loaded.

Glad to see that you are not on the reperations band wagon. I am also glad to see that you respect Condoleza Rice's intellect.

Jeff Bargholz has his own blog and I have never known him to express racist sentiments. We do not get many racial power goons here. The ones on Bad Eagle and FPM have gotten beatings from me.

As far as you being Black I am not a fan of the one percent rule. You also have white and Native American blood . Race is a modern construct and is the province of small minds.

Jewish people do not hide their ethnicity. What reason would Donal, Hispano, J Baumgart, the Pointman ( Not a friend of mine ) hide their identities. Is this a version of the N^%^ lover cast at Civil Rights marchers in the 60's who include David Horowitz and Charlton Heston.

As far as my animosity is concerned
Ted Kennedy , Jesse Jackson are comedic props. All of the above are political figures. Sowell and Williams are accademics and economists and are brilliant writers. Elder and Barber are media figures who should have the right to express their opinions.

My scorn is reserved for Communists, Racial Power Nuts, Jihadists and Utopians of any stripe.

I am not going to denounce Bargholz who can defend himself in his own words rather eloquently.
My words on race or anything else are my responsability.

beakerkin said...

Ducky

If Chimp is racist when used against Blacks it should not be used period. I am having trouble remembering who is it that calls
Condi Rice " Aunt Jemimah" . I guess that racial slurs are okay as long as you say them. For the record that question was not aimed at Steve it was aimed at you. I wanted Uptowns reaction to your continued use of racist slurs.

Now Ducky about Condi will you continue to make racist remarks.

uptownseteve said...

beak

You know what bargholz said was racist filth.

If I or another poster had made a similar remark about Jews you would have been yelling "anti-semite".

Which makes you a hypocrite.

Your attempt to compare black mercenaries like Barber and Elder to whites who marched in the Civil Rights Movement is just too silly.

Beaker, the Civil Rights Movement was about American citizens being denied basic rights of CITIZENSHIP.

The tragedy of the whole thing was that the entire country didn't share the outrage of the Civil Rights Marchers.

Barber and Elder know that with their level of ability and talent they would be very average and anonymous were it not for their willingness to slander and stereotype their own people for the pleasure of whites who already hate blacks.

I think that Sowell and Williams are comedic props and Jackson and Kennedy are American heroes.

So there.

I mean, what is this beak?

It's obvious that you like Sowell and Williams et al and wish that all blacks thought like them but explain to me how their academic and literary accomplishments surpass people like Cornel West, Manning Marable and Glen Loury (3 LIBERAL BLACK ACADEMICS)?

nanc said...

stop yourself steve - people are looking! how do you feel about blacks like cosby and what he has to say about the plight of blacks in america?

http://www.newsmax.com/archives/ic/2006/5/16/213053.shtml?s=ic

he's pretty hard on his community of brothers - is it okay for him to say the same things a purple or chartreuse person would say? and why?

uptownseteve said...

You still haven't answered my question about Donal.

She claims that blacks have been "deleterious" to America.

Isn't that racist?

If not, why not?

Do you agree with that?

One more thing, you are playing fast and loose with this lie that I "threatened" LaShawn Barber.

If you or anyone cannot produce a threatening e-mail from me to Barber or a cut and paste quote then I will expect a complete retraction.

That's if you are an honorable person.

uptownseteve said...

nanc

Cosby became a hero to rightwing America because he bashed his own community and they love it.

But he was completely out of line.

The majority of African-Americans are solidly middle classed.

If you look at poor whites you will see many of the same behavior that Cosby decries among ghetto blacks.

People like you merely want your racism to be corroborated.

I see black success and excellence everyday.

If you were to come to my neighborhood, as in most black middle class neighborhoods, you will see two parent families, well kept home, beautiful well behaved children.

In other words, people just LIVING.

But for some reason the white rightwing just needs to portray the black community as an unending cycle of pathology.

True of the urban ghettoes (and white ethnics were in the ghettoes, they did the same $hit) BUT MOST BLACK PEOPLE DON'T LIVE IN THE GHETTO!!!!!

beakerkin said...

Uptown

Donal and Jeff Bargholz can answer
for themselves and are eloquent. In the case of Donal her explanation has in the past tended to be that she wanted to push your buttons. She does not treat other black posters in the same manner.

Your reaction was predictable and expected. Rather then answer the questions one by one you chose to cry victim and harp on familiar themes.

If you have a problem with La Shawn or anyone else I am not a party to it. I do not view blacks as distinctive Americans but as a part of the American family. The former view is Frankfurt school folk Marxism. I do not see people as victims but as individuals.

Unlike the others Housing projects are not alien landscapes. I have been to the inner city and there are parallel problems in rural America but you seldom hear about it.

nanc said...

steve - the reason i ask is because a good friend of my mother's (who has since passed and was caucasian) kept cosby's books for a number of years and according to her, he is not particularly fond of caucasian people - and i have to wonder just WHO cosby does like - that's all. of course - my ancestry is native american and irish and i abhor any hands out, moreso the native. i just wonder what makes people tick.

Mr. Ducky said...

My my Beak, you certainly do get obsessed with labels. Anyway, I haven't called that stinking cooze Rice anything that Harry Belafonte hasn't called her ignorant black ass.

the merry widow said...

Just read Jeff Foxworthy and how to know if you're a redneck! The thing is to learn to laugh at life, it is alot better for your health!

tmw

beakerkin said...

Ducky

Glad you said that because we know for a fact tha racist comments are okay as long as the target is approoved by the Marxist clowns like Belafonte. The use of the N word by another Marxist hack Paul Robeson over twenty five times in the Emperor Jones doesn't raise an Eyebrow because he is a good Commie but Twains use in passing in Huck Finn calls for book banning.

I do not recall Jews crying about the Cantebury Tales anti semitic content. In fact I read them in a Yeshiva. This is more of Orwells "all Animals are equal but some are more equal then others "

Smoked Duck is on the menu.

There is nothing wrong with these questions. Uptown by nature tends to complain cry victim and add extraneous points.

uptownseteve said...

Where or when did I cry victim beaker?

It's YOUR reaction which is the predictable one.

YOU refuse to comment on the obvious racism of your soulmates yet label anyone who disagrees with you as an anti-semite.

I answered your questions and I definitely do not see myself or black people in general as victims.

The game nowadays with the right is to discredit any black activism as "whining or victimhood" yet when whites demonize or stereotype us it's regarded as "straight talk".

If you truly regard black people as part of the American family then you should be outraged at Donal's and Burgholz' remarks.

But you're not.

I don't like LaShawn Barber and will continue to call her exactly what she is.....a self-hating, bottom-dwelling mercenary who knows that she gets the attention that she does because she is a black who articulates white racism.

My God man, Barber admits that she couldn't pass the bar exam after graduating from Temple Law School.

Then she attacks black people for being anti-academic????

My wife, who holds bar licenses in 3 states, as well as several of our friends who are succesful attorneys as well as proud black people, got a big kick out of that.

Mr. Ducky said...

Uh Beak, Eugene O'Neill wrote The Emperor Jones.

I think you can easily get a copy of Huckleberry Finn.

What about the closing of the play about Rachel Corey by certain "interests". Jews should be very careful about who they accuse of censorship since they are very active

beakerkin said...

As I have said before you could have answered the basic questions one by one such as how many years were you in the Coast Guard. There is nothing objectionable about that question.

I am not responsible for anyone else's commentary other then my own. As far as crying victim your words above speak more eloquently then I do. If you have an issue with Donal or Jeff Bargholz they can answer for themselves.

My views on race are abundantly clear. Race is not something that is anywhere near the top of my concerns.

La Shawn Barber makes a living as a writer. She is more then able to defend herself as well. Like every other American she has the right to intellectual freedom.

I find your depiction of people who disagree with you as mercenaries as mildly amusing. Jews who you tend to agree with like Rabbi " LSD Commie " Lerner etc are overwhelmingly Communist and Anarchists. Communists and Anarchists are traitors in reality and in history.

Northern Steve, Donal and many others have also described you as anti semitic. This is not a charge
that is isolated and voiced by scores of others. Northern Steve is a reserved and polite man not prone to any sort of rash statements either. Mike is not Jewish and has made similar observations.

My view of the African American community is seperate and distinct from my view of you. There 100% is a segment of the Black Community that is anti semitic. The entire far left and miniscule far right is also anti semitic.

In short I speak for myself and call them as I see them. Your description of people who disagree with you as Jews is basic anti semitism. I guess by your logic when I asked people to knock off the Apetown bit I must be black or a N lover.

uptownseteve said...

"Donal and Jeff Bargholz can answer
for themselves and are eloquent. In the case of Donal her explanation has in the past tended to be that she wanted to push your buttons. She does not treat other black posters in the same manner."

This is WEAK beaker.

If she was just trying to "push my buttons" she could have just insulted me as an individual.

Instead she smeared all black Americans.

You certainly would not have the same reaction if a black had made a similar remark about Jews and claimed they were just trying to push their opponents buttons.

And you're wrong.

DONAL has treated UU and Nyabingi with the same venal hate that she has shown me.

You all coddle Net Observer because he's just the type of self-hating fool that you wish we all were.

beakerkin said...

Duck

I am well aware of who wrote the Emperor Jones. Look at who played the title role.

As far as the Rachel Corrie show Drummaster bought a CAT Hat . I purchased a bulldozer and wanted to go to the show with a plate of pancakes and Vermont Maple Syrup. Communists like ISM , CPT and CIPES should end up like Corrie. They are actively violating US Law against individuals conducting their own foreign policy.

In short I would love to see the show . Anyone seen my bulldozer I am headed to MA.

beakerkin said...

First of all if anything I am reluctant to give you 1/10 of the abuse I gave Alan or Sean for similar statements. UU and I get along well and I have defended him in the past while getting my points in .

Nybabler is an incoherent stooge that I regulary dispense with fairly easily.

Donal is responsible for her own statements. Nor do I ask you or UU to defend each others .

uptownseteve said...

I don't care what DONAL and Northern Steve have called me.

Produce the anti-semitic comment from me.

YOU CAN'T.

There is 100% a segment of the Jewish community which is anti-black.

What's your point here?

David Horowitz, Jonah Goldberg, Glasov, Auster, Savage and several others have all engaged in vile anti-black racism.

"As far as crying victim your words above speak more eloquently then I do."

In other words, you can't answer.

You don't like my answers and label them "victimhood".

"If you have an issue with Donal or Jeff Bargholz they can answer for themselves."

But I asked YOU for your comments on their remarks and your evasion speaks VOLUMES.

"La Shawn Barber makes a living as a writer. She is more then able to defend herself as well. Like every other American she has the right to intellectual freedom."

Just as I have the right to criticize her.

Once again, WHAT'S YOUR POINT?

"I find your depiction of people who disagree with you as mercenaries as mildly amusing."

This is just plain silly and cheap sophistry.

I have honest disagreements with a variety of individuals including members of my family.

I described Barber, Elder and other specific INDIVIDUALS as mercenaries.


"Jews who you tend to agree with like Rabbi " LSD Commie " Lerner etc are overwhelmingly Communist and Anarchists."

WHAT???

Harold Myerson, Ira Katznelson, Elliot Engel, Tim Wise, Barbara Ehrenreich, Mike Bloomberg and scores of other Jews whom I have the highest admiration for are all COMMUNISTS AND TRAITORS????

Get a grip beak.

beakerkin said...

Have you praised Rabbi LSD Michael Lerner and Tikkun magazine ? You may be its only reader.

Your praise of Mayor Bloomberg must be a recent development. However I have been away from the board for a while and you have had a variety of names. I will ommit the part about identifying with Communists. However Jews that tend to espouse positions I oppose are overwhelmingly Communist and Anarchist like Rabbi Lerner who you have praised. I take great issue with with Communists and Anarchists calling themselves Jews.
They are in fact traitors to their country and ethnicities and apologists for a genocidal ideaology.

The writers you mention can all defend themselves and if you do not like them don't watch their shows . David Horowitz is not a racist and has black grandchildren.
I have not read any serious charges about Glasov. Michael Savage seldom talks about blacks and spends more time on Gays which is a seperate issue.

I am not here to defend those writers or bloggers. My words and views are my own.

The description of you as anti semitic is almost uniform and few FPM posters are Jewish. Your mono focus on Jews is readily apparent and noted by many others.

I am not going to go into the game you frequently play produce the quotes. You did deny calling Hispano and Pointman Jews for weeks
and I did provide the proof.

This is a little game that you play and you still have not answered the questions 1 - 25 like every other guest. Jeff Bargholz is in what question. More duck and weave and by the way why does Ducky get a free pass for calling a Black woman Aunt Jemimah.

nanc said...

holy crappe batman - would you just stop with the whining and do the interview! you're quibbling and people are watching - have you any shame? jeesh, if you could only see yourself, steve - just do the interview! or you're going to lose your audience...

beakerkin said...

He could have at least answered how many years he served in the Coast Guard. I am sure AC and he could provide us with many interesting adventures.

uptownseteve said...

"Have you praised Rabbi LSD Michael Lerner and Tikkun magazine ?

Yes I have. So what?

You don't like him. I do.

You like Sowell. I don't.

Once again, WHAT IS YOUR POINT?

"Your praise of Mayor Bloomberg must be a recent development. However I have been away from the board for a while and you have had a variety of names."

No "variety" of names beak.

I've been "Sheik Yerbouti" on FPM for about a year now. No one else.

"However Jews that tend to espouse positions I oppose are overwhelmingly Communist and Anarchist like Rabbi Lerner who you have praised."

Can you identify a Communist position that Lerner has espoused?

Which one of the other Jews I mentioned whom I admire are Communists?

"I take great issue with with Communists and Anarchists calling themselves Jews.
They are in fact traitors to their country and ethnicities and apologists for a genocidal ideaology."

This is almost laughable.

You attack me for criticizing rightwing blacks but label any Jew whom YOU disagree with as a Communist.

Yet you can't identify any Communist positions that they have taken.

UNREAL!!!!

"The writers you mention can all defend themselves and if you do not like them don't watch their shows ."

Jesse Jackson, Al Sharpton et al can all defend themselves and if you don't like them then turn the channel when you see them on TV.

Beaker, THIS IS SILLY.

You're not making sense.

"David Horowitz is not a racist and has black grandchildren."

Horowitz has stated that "the black community has a hard time raising law abiding citizens" and that "blacks have already received reparations in the form of welfare"

Whites never receieved welfare????

Hell, welfare was CREATED for whites.

Strom Thurmond had a black daughter while he was leading a segregation movement.

"I am not here to defend those writers or bloggers. My words and views are my own.'

I've merely asked you to COMMENT on the statements of DONAL and Bargholz.

You know that you can't defend their filth so you evade.

"The description of you as anti semitic is almost uniform and few FPM posters are Jewish. Your mono focus on Jews is readily apparent and noted by many others."

But you STILL cna't produce an anti-semitic statement from me.

LOL!

"This is a little game that you play and you still have not answered the questions 1 - 25 like every other guest."


What other questions do you want answered beak?

I served 7 years in the CG.

I watched and enjoyed Living Color.

I never saw Chappelles show.

I went to Yankee Stadium twice even though I grew up 8 blocks away.

What else beak?

"...by the way why does Ducky get a free pass for calling a Black woman Aunt Jemimah."

What is a free pass?

Ducky is entitled to his opinion.

If he decribed Condi Rice that way then I disagree.

He should have directed that to LaShawn Barber.

beakerkin said...

The communist affiliations and history of Michael Lerner are well doccumented. The Jews I am critical of Chomsky, Norman Finklestein , Joel Kovell etc all have lengthy DTN articles listing their Commie or Anarchist credentials. Lerner also has an extensive file if you care to read.

Communists and Anarchists have a lengthy history of treason in this country and are no way comprable to Conservatives in any description.Any look at the history of the two movements and individuals in question makes your point comedic.

Sharpton and Jackson are not media
employess and it is not that simple to change the channel. They are self appointed spokesmen who claim to represent the black community. In Sharptons case he has not demonstrated a following and may be a media creation more then a serious force.

The charge of welfare as reparations is not one that I support . However a stupid statement does not cancel out marching in the Civil Rights era.

This is a dumb point but I disagree with reparations and afirmative action as well. Those positions do not imply that one is a racist and are held by the vast majority of Americans.

I do not call any woman black or White Aunt Jemmimah. However I suppose that calling Ted Kennedy the Michelin Man would not have the same impact. Racial epithets should not be used by anyone and my point was aimed at the Duck who is obtuse on those points.

All bloggers should defend their own posts. Donal and I have had conversations on the subject many times and my objections were made clear. However she has stated it is a personal issue. This is not something I agree with and have stated it before.

I have never held any discussions with Jeff Bargholz on the subject.


I though you were HNIC as well.

I have been off the board for a long time except for a fight with Socrates posting as Meathead. FPM is not a place that I have spent much time for well over a year.

The mere description and calling people who disagree with you Jews alone is anti semitic. Moreover Canadian Steve who seldom uses the term on anyone readily descibes you in that manner.

FLORIAN said...

Hmmmm...I see this interview turned a bit sour so to speak. Beak, you forgot to ask Uptown why is he so rabidly anti-white...and why does he support Palestinians and radical Islam? However, we all know who the real Aunt Jemimah is--Cynthia "racist" McKinney. She is the direct by-product and creation of the hate-whitey CBC--namely by her dad..Billy McKinney the rabid anti-semite.

beakerkin said...

The positions of Uptown on the Palestinians are well known and I tried to provide an overview. Most people who have dealt with Steve for any length of time are well aware of where he is coming from.

That being said the anti semitic and deranged Cynthia McKinney should not be called Aunt Jemmimah. If anything comparing a beloved figure that is welcomed into homes with a woman who hits police officers is insulting to Aunt Jemmimah.

The Aunt and Uncle bit is the insulting part. If the product were called Jemimah Green's pancakes I do not think that would be objectionable. Nobody gets too worked up over Jimmy Dean or Orvill Redenbeaker.

uptownseteve said...

"The communist affiliations and history of Michael Lerner are well doccumented."

Then it should be easy for you to produce ONE.

I'll wait patiently.

"The Jews I am critical of Chomsky, Norman Finklestein , Joel Kovell etc all have lengthy DTN articles listing their Commie or Anarchist credentials. Lerner also has an extensive file if you care to read."

Let's see them. Again, I'll wait patiently.

What I'm trying to figure out is why you feel emboldened to condemn Jews who disagree with you but attack me for condemning Sowell, Elder, Barber, et al...?

Do you feel that you have rights that I DON'T?



"Communists and Anarchists have a lengthy history of treason in this country and are no way comprable to Conservatives in any description.Any look at the history of the two movements and individuals in question makes your point comedic."

The main flaw in your argument is that you haven't proved that they were Communists or Anarchists.

"Sharpton and Jackson are not media
employess and it is not that simple to change the channel. They are self appointed spokesmen who claim to represent the black community."

They can claim anything they like.

They have no power, no official position or government influence.

They are activists, plain and simple.

You seem frustrated that you cannot punish them for offending your sensibilities.

Welcome to the world of equality.

I'm pissed that I can't flog Horowitz, Bennett or Limbaugh.

"However a stupid statement does not cancel out marching in the Civil Rights era."

Horowitz hung out with the Panthers during the 60s.

As Tim Wise brilliantly pointed out, Horowitz is one of the few people who can claim to be a leftwing a$$hole and a rightwing a$$hole during the same lifetime.

"This is a dumb point but I disagree with reparations and afirmative action as well. Those positions do not imply that one is a racist and are held by the vast majority of Americans."

Nobody said it did beaker.

Reparations aren't going to happen and the people agitating for it are wasting their time.

AA was merely a program to level the playing field that has always and continues to be titled in favor of white men.

It's been virtually eliminated.

Yet racial discrimination against people of color continues and never ceased

As does favortism toward whites, particularly white men.

"I do not call any woman black or White Aunt Jemmimah. However I suppose that calling Ted Kennedy the Michelin Man would not have the same impact. Racial epithets should not be used by anyone and my point was aimed at the Duck who is obtuse on those points."

Okay, so you'll condemn Neal Boortz for referring to Cynthia McKinney as a "ghetto slut" or Republican Congressman from NC Cass Bellenger for calling McKinney a "black bitch".

"I though you were HNIC as well."

You're right. I was HNIC for about 2 weeks.

"The mere description and calling people who disagree with you Jews alone is anti semitic."

Nonsense beaker.

I disagreed with "Jack in Your Midst", Big Bubba, Net Observer, American Bad Ass and several others and have not called them Jews.

I gave you my reasons for believing them to be Jews and I stand by them.

You're just flailing.


"Moreover Canadian Steve who seldom uses the term on anyone readily descibes you in that manner."

So what?

Who is Canadian Steve?

Another hypocritical rightwinger who, pathetically, tried to organize a forum boycott of me because he didn't like my views.

Can he produce an anti-semitic from me?

Can YOU?

uptownseteve said...

Florian

I don't see the interview as turning sour.

Beaker thought that he could "trap" me with loaded questions and is frustrated that he can't.

I've spent to much time sparring with you righties and am familiar with all your games.

Now, can you explain how I am "anti-white"?

While you're at it, explain how the CBC is "anti-whitey" as you stated.

You can't be serious.

Harold Ford, Mel Watts, Art Davis, even my own congressman Al Wynn are wishy washy moderates who have totally cowed by DNC establishment.

You seem upset that blacks are allowed to serve in Congress.

beakerkin said...

Canadian Steve , Steve BL and Northern Steve are the same person. He is the most highly respected poster on FPM and not prone to emotionalism. He is a gentleman in all dealings and if he calls you an anti semite that speaks Vollumes.

The Comments of Bootz and Ballenger were wrong but Mckinney is a lunatic.

All of the above the Communists listed above have lengthy DTN files and histories that are well doccumented. Chomsky and Finklestein call themselves anarchists in interviews. I am not going to do your homework for you go to DTN and look up the Commie past of all on your time.

I have no frustrations with Jackson and Sharpton as they are both fools and do not warrant anything more serious on my part.

Accusing someone of being a Jew is indeed anti semitic. I guess following your logic Esther and I stuck up for Gays therefore we must be Gay. Sorry Steve accussing people of being Jews is anti semitic. You also dennied doing this for months.

beakerkin said...

Steve

Nobody tried to trap you this is all part of a paranoid game that you play. If anything the interview
went to great lengths to avoid confrontation. It is to your discredit that you did not have the maturity to answer honestly without rancor. In fact I didn't even bring up Anti Semitism. The only question that even approached the issue at all was the question of the slave trade.

FLORIAN said...

Steve, you always seem to have this fear, resentment, hate (whatever you call it) for whites--that's how you come across anyways. I told you before that I like my congressman David Scott (whether or not I vote for him this time around depends on his stance on immigration in the district), yes he's a lib--but he's fair. Why would I care if he's a black in congress? I don't like the stance the CBC takes on a lot of issues, they make it out to be us vs. them a lot (ie Haiti and African aid).

uptownseteve said...

beaker,

I've had a big smile on my face the entire time I've been posting here today.

The rancor is all yours.

"Canadian Steve , Steve BL and Northern Steve are the same person. He is the most highly respected poster on FPM and not prone to emotionalism. He is a gentleman in all dealings and if he calls you an anti semite that speaks Vollumes."

This means nothing to me.

Being the most respected poster on FPM is sort of like being the baddest dude in the penitentiary.

Consider the crowd.

"The Comments of Bootz and Ballenger were wrong but Mckinney is a lunatic."

I agree that McKinney is a buffoon but why the racist remarks?

Duke Cunningham has been convicted and is headed to jail.

Is it alright if I call him a "cracka"?

"I have no frustrations with Jackson and Sharpton as they are both fools and do not warrant anything more serious on my part."

YAWN.

Horowitz and O'Reilly are both fools and do not warrant anything more serious on MY part.

What's the point of this?

"Accusing someone of being a Jew is indeed anti semitic. I guess following your logic Esther and I stuck up for Gays therefore we must be Gay. Sorry Steve accussing people of being Jews is anti semitic. You also dennied doing this for months."

Okay beak. I see this is your last grasp to keep from drowning.

I've been accused of being white by FPM posters.

I've been accused of being DUCKY by FPM posters.

Were the posters who accused me of being white racist?

Were the posters who accused me of being DUCKY anti-poultry?

This is sad.

I really expected a better debate from you.

uptownseteve said...

florian

"Steve, you always seem to have this fear, resentment, hate (whatever you call it) for whites-"

Like WHAT?

Produce ONE statement that would indicate this.

I'm listening.

Admit it.

You just hate my views and can't refute them with an intelligent argument.

I've produced RACIST STATEMENTS from your buddies like DONAL and bargholz and all you guys do is evade and avoid.

Show me a statement from me that would indicate that I hate white people.

I'm waiting.

MissingLink said...

Just for the record:
John "Sly" Sylvester on "Progressive Talk 1670 AM" referred to Condoleezza Rice as "Aunt Jemimah" and Colin Powell as "Uncle Tom".

FLORIAN said...

*Sigh*......

I can't go in circles with you like Beaker is. It's a waste of time, but plenty of people at FPM will testify that you obviously have a gripe with whites. You know it, but won't admit it.
Like Beaker said, I can't speak for Bargholz or Donal, however I won't disagree with them either when it's aimed at somebody who likes to rock the boat so to say (and you do act like a bombthrower most of the times)
Once again Steve, I don't "hate" your views. I tolerate them, yes but I don't hate them. You have your reasons whatever they may be.

beakerkin said...

Uptown the Racial bit was adressed in my remarks on Mckinney. Your lack of reading comprehension skills is a problem.

Your behavior has shown you to be undicipled, petty and a crybaby. The questions were more then fair but you go into victim mode rather then adress the questions.

As far as your smile I have noted that stupid people smile alot. They do not know how ignorant they sound to others.

Canadian Steve is a well respected person and even trolls like Prof Pike etc show him respect. Thank you for demonstrating a lack of class and intellect.

Your inability to read basic information and desire to play games is a constant. Keep smiling and people are not laughing with you Steve they are laughing at you.

Warren said...

I've got an idea, Steve. Take your meds and maybe the paranoia will slack up a little!

I get it. Everyone is a racist, bigot, hypocrite, sophist, yada yada yada; except you.

Beak, this interview sucks. Steve doesn't seem to have a point or a clue. Its attack, attack, attack and evade.

uptownseteve said...

florian

What FPM posters think about me is irrelevant.

You DON'T LIKE what I have to say.

But you STILL can't produce anti-white or anti-semitic statements from me because I haven't made any.

I am a proud, vocal, opinionated, unafraid black man and that enrages the hell out of people like you.

You want black people to be quiet, passive and so thankful that you wonderful white folks allow us to partake in this paradise called America that you created.

I say that's BULL$HIT.

I say that black people have been longer than anyone but the Pilgrims and the Native Americans.

That we have given our blood, labor and lives to this nation while not even having full rights for most of time we've been here.

That no other group of people have given more to America and recieved less in return than black people.

That no group of people have had more wealth and earnings taken out of it with no return than blacks.

That no other people have more of a stake in America because of what we've sacrificed than blacks.

If that's a "problem with whites" according to you then so be it.

It also happens to be FACT.

beakerkin said...

Warren

You are 100% correct but the point had to be demonstrated. Steve was given a fair interview and questions that were screened to avoid conflict.

My point has been proven that Steve is not articulate or disciplined. His basic lack of information on well known facts such as the political leanings of Rabbi Lerner, Chomsky etc is astounding.

On to Kevin and Lady Esther.

uptownseteve said...

G'night beak.

Your insults and venom show me that you've been overcome by emotion and frustration.

Have fun with your blog.

My work is done here.

ta ta.

beakerkin said...

Uptown no one group has a monopoly on building this country. The treatment of slaves has nothing to do with you. The country owes groups nothing except but if you insist get on line behind the Native Americans .

Unlike you I see people as individuals .

beakerkin said...

If your work was to reveal yourself as a fool and a moron you have excelled in that role.

FLORIAN said...

Wonder how many nerves he burst with that last speel?
His saying blacks did more for America than anybody else is purely laughable. I agree with you Beak--he revealed himself to be a fool once again.
The respect meter is running kinda low for him after today.

nanc said...

i haven't seen this much whine since i travelled through the napa-sonoma valley vineyards - jeesh!

MissingLink said...

Very interesting.
As a person form outside of the US I would see Uptownseteve as a racist and full of racial rage and intolerance.
Statements indicating high racial intolerance.
To make my point more clear I replaced a few words:

1. According to the US social construct, one drop of white blood makes one white .


2. You can't thank your fellow black folks for that one. Any of you owning up to white ancestry??


- If I were a Jew, I would pray every night that there were always whites and Hispanics in America to take the full brunt of race hatred in this country because if we weren't here you'd find out real quick how blacks really feel about Jews.

4. Chomsky became a hero to leftwing America because he bashed his own community and they love it.

But he was completely out of line.


5. People like YOU merely want your racism to be corroborated

6. I believe that DONAL, hispano and Pointman are BLACK because they have launched into long speeches about the superior intellect and character of Blacks. No one does that but BLACKS, face it.

7. I am a proud, vocal, opinionated, unafraid white man and that enrages the hell out of people like YOU.

I suppose this is why Florian called Uptownseteve "so rabidly anti-white..."

nanc said...

the gene pool has a turd floating in it somewhere...

FLORIAN said...

He's also prone to call black conservatives who disagree with him "uncle toms" and "boot lickin' negroes". He's a true gem!

Jeff Bargholz said...

Uptown Skeev,

considering all the cyberspace you've wasted with your tautological race baiting and whining, why is it that you haven't said anything worthwhile? You're a broken record of racism and stupidity.

Freedomnow said...

Thanks for the show Beak.

This is quite an entertaining one.

I feel sorry for Uptown he was born 30 years too late. Black Power was necessary back then, but now its like a broken record.

Freedomnow said...

Dang!!! I didnt see Bargholz broken record comment until it was too late.

It makes me sound like a skipping CD...

Jeff Bargholz said...

Skeev,

in answer to your last screed, which was close to identical to all your others anyway:

I don't like your hatemongering lies and I don't like YOU. Unlike others here, I have no reservations about hating a low-life like you.

Everything you scribble is calumny meant to belittle Whites and Jews. Every bogus fact and figure you present is meant to portray them as oppressors, liars, reprobates, etc. You continually portray American Blacks as saintly victims while eliding their dark (no pun intended, Mr. insecurity,) side. Every issue is a racial issue to you and every race but Blacks are "racist."

Prove you're a black man. You sound like a caricature to me. Prove you're proud. Your rantings are the work of a fragile ego. I think you're driven by shame, not pride. Your constant fabrications regarding race bolster my assessment.

You think all American Blacks should be loud, sociopathic ingrates who despise the White people who welcomed them into this nation. I say BULLSHIT.

Blacks have not been here longer than anyone but Pilgrims and Indians. Not by a longshot.

Blacks have given less blood, labor and lives than whites. Far less. White women and indentured servants were denied full rights in far greater numbers than Blacks. The past is dead.

No other group has given less, and recieved more in return than Black paople.

No other group of people have had more wealth and earnings taken from them than White people.

Every American has a stake in America. In sheer numbers and willingness, Whites have sacrificed more than all the other races combined.

If that's a problem with "Blacks" like you, then so be it. It happens to be factual.

If you don't like the racial realities of this country, don't bring them up, moron. That's the difference between supremacists like you and the people you libel as racists. You initiate unfounded racial attacks meant to disparage non-Blacks. We bring up the reality as a rebuttal.

Unfortunately for you, the reality is decidedly unflattering to Blacks as a whole. You never learn.

Warren said...

Yes Beak, Your venom!

How dare you pick on wittle bittle stevums.

Steve, you going to cry now?

nanc said...

well, it would stand to reason as that's what he's been doing all day - he may as well go for the gold!

Mad Zionist said...

If this simpleton really has a college degree and a well paying job, it is only because he was admitted/hired to fill black quotas. Left to his own merits, he couldn't get a job sweeping floors.

nanc said...

my goodness, madze - don't tell me you're out troll shopping! danabobanabobonehead dana not enough for you?

Mad Zionist said...

Ugh...

VerityINK said...

Uptown IS a whiney little bitch....

VerityINK said...

Well, his 'ta ta' is preferable to his faggoty little 'tee hee'....

Robert Bayn said...

Why does Steve come across as very high and haughy and very arrogant, or am i missing something?

beakerkin said...

You are on target but most racial power clowns and sandbox fighters are haughty. In Steve's case he has zero to be proud of .

Mr. Beamish the Instablepundit said...

Why does Steve come across as very high and haughy and very arrogant, or am i missing something?

It's a trait all leftists share, all part of that strangely collective need to convince others that leftists are as dumb as rock salt, on any topic.

Robert Bayn said...

Its a good thing no one on the right is Arrogant and high and haughty.

Mr. Beamish the Instablepundit said...

Robert Bayn,

Its a good thing no one on the right is Arrogant and high and haughty.

Any right-winger who patronizes leftists with the ludricrous idea that said leftists could form a sentence easily mistaken for brilliance is "just being polite."