Tuesday, August 04, 2009

Faith and Self Deecption

I want to start by pointing out all of us deceive ourselves at times. The truth is we live with standards and ideals and sometimes that which we believe in lets us down.

We have seen American apologists for Chavez knowingly lie about Chavez and FARC. We did not need the Bolshevik NYT to report this, but they did. The usual suspects will create a series of lies
necessary to further their cause. Most knew that the Rosenberg's were guilty but they fostered the lie for the cause.

I want to point out my own self deception. I consider Dr. Yeagley to be a personal friend as well as a good person. He has been subjected to a series of unfair attacks. However, there is no defense for the race based overtones in his criticism of Obama.

I want to point out the most influential comment was the critique of Pagan Temple. Pagan Temple does not know Yeagley or have any history there. The Pagan is independent, but thoroughly and unapologetically American. When the Pagan talks it became time to end my self deception.

I could somewhat discount my friend CM and Naiche's critique. This critique is an internal community thing although Naiche and CM do point to themes similar to my observation on race.
My hunch is that if the Dr's psychotic parasite stopped attacking them they would move on.

The critique of the Duck is typical. However, when the Duck calls a site crazy it comes with a cavaet. He posts at Renegade Eyes site that at times does post material that is off the wall. Ren is a typical Trotskyite talentless antisemite. One should read Walter Laqueur for information on Trotskyite antisemitism.

Similarly, the Editrix does have a history with Yeagley. Her fight was personal and one can somewhat discount it. However, when she points to some objectionable posts she is 100% correct and credible.

I wanted to believe the Doctor shared my vision of America. However, there is zero way to rationalize these anti Obama posts with charged racial overtones. I still consider the Dr to be a friend and a true friend tells one hard truths. These posts as well as the base antics of his insane parasitic developmentally disabled acolyte are inexcusable.

The Pagan is 100% correct. I keep waiting for my friends to return but other than Winters they are gone. Kidst and Amil rarely post much. Warren is more likely to be here or at Mr B's and hasn't been there in a year. What is left is not much of a community. Largely due to the antics of
Batty Ann the community is finnished.

The community died when it stopped posting about ideas and history. The begining of the end was when Mac left. Mac kept the "White Power freaks at Bay". I had my run ins with him, especially on the Amil matter. However, once he departed the quality and content of the site went into the toilet. It has devolved at times into Stormfront Lite.

I am guilty of wanting to believe in a friend when the facts dictated otherwise. Sometimes friends disagree on things and the recent Obama posts are objectionble. Yeagley has forgotten the American and Christian traditions of inclusiveness.

He is still my friend, but very wrong about some basic things.

13 comments:

Ducky's here said...

Beak, forget it. Yeagley is a lonely bitter person, probably because he can't come to grips with his sexuality.

You have some of the same issues since you don't seem to be able to come to grips with leaving Orthodox Judaism.

Always On Watch said...

All this controversy over Yeagley's site makes me glad that I never got involved with that site.

Ducky's here said...

Beak, you constantly play the antiSemite card so one has to take it with a grain of salt but when has ren ever been antisemitic?

I suspect you confuse a criticism of Likud as antisemitic. Insane.

The Pagan Temple said...

Glad I could help. They're just not worth the time and energy.

Ducky's here said...

...and I'd watch it, Beak. That fag hag, Betty Ann, is pretty protective of Gay Eagle.

She runs the site and that squaw is looking for scalps.

The_Editrix said...

"Similarly, the Editrix does have a history with Yeagley. Her fight was personal and one can somewhat discount it."

You must be joking. What was ever "personal" about it as far as I am concerned? I don't even know the effing man. Thank God for that! It's he who resorts to ad-homs, insinuations, suppositions and oh-so-clever psychological analysis because he is too dumb and too poorly educated to get a rational argument together. That's not "personal", by the way, but a rock-solid fact. Tell me ONE thing I said that was NOT based on facts. And I mean it. Do it! ONE single thing! It was from the beginning and always about his views, his distortions and his lies, and I was able to prove with rock-solid facts every single case I exposed. Your defending him ("He is my friend is my friend is my friend is my friend is my friend is my friend is my friend!") is a darn sight more "personal" than my attacking him.

Ducky's here said...

Hey Beak, I take it back, Yeagley's site is full of fun facts.
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This is incredible:

DO NOT USE THE WEBSITE CARS.COM. It makes your computer, and everything on it, the property of the US and foreign governments. Just watch this YouTube vido from Glenn Beck.

Most unbelievable thing yet. Each day, a new denigration of humanity, courtesy of Barry's boys in DC.

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Man, the cheese has slid of this guy's cracker. Beak, you must avoid Gay Eagle.

Cateran said...

I want to point out my own self deception. I consider Dr. Yeagley to be a personal friend as well as a good person.

You're still deceiving yourself, Beak, Yeagley's no friend of yours. If he was, he'd have put a stop to what you've been experiencing for the last few months. Truth of the matter is, and I say this with no malice towards you, he simply needed at least one Jewish contributor and you were it. But at some point, you've outlived your usefullness.

He has been subjected to a series of unfair attacks.

I disagree, he's been called on to qualify the statements that he makes as a self-styled Comanche spokesman for Conservative Christian politics. Keeping in mind that he's working the Comanche routine to the bone, it is definitely within other Indians' rights to question whether or not a self-styled spokesman for the Indian peoples is indeed Indian.

For me, his racial background, be he Mexican or Indian, or whatever, isn't the issue. It's the things he says that I've no time for. And I'm talking here about the racial and religious bigotry that he espouses. Things like you point out here:

"However, there is no defense for the race based overtones in his criticism of Obama."

Similarly, the Editrix does have a history with Yeagley. Her fight was personal and one can somewhat discount it.

Discounting the Editrix would be a bad mistake, our favourite Hun's been right about Yeagley from the get-go.

The begining of the end was when Mac left. Mac kept the "White Power freaks at Bay". I had my run ins with him, especially on the Amil matter. However, once he departed the quality and content of the site went into the toilet. It has devolved at times into Stormfront Lite.

I'll thank you for that Beak, it's more than I ever got from Yeagley. But I'd like to point out that BE hasn't "devolved into Stormfront Lite" - the truth is, it has always been Stormfront lite.

It was the good doctor himself that welcomed the Stormfronters (who were all quite taken with Yeagley's opinions on race and religion), and it was the good doctor that give them, not one, but three forums to air their views in.

Think about it for a second, Beak, the only people that even bother with Yeagley's articles any more are white supremacists. And if I hadn't of banned those nasty bastards, they'd probably still be on BE spouting hatred.

If it walks like a duck, talks like a duck, (and finds lots in common with other ducks), chances are, it's a duck.

Yeagley has forgotten the American and Christian traditions of inclusiveness.

There is not one iota of Christianity within Yeagley. If there was, he wouldn't say the things he does about other people or other races. He hasn't the capability to find the compassion Christianity calls us to.

Just look at the fruit borne by the tree.

The_Editrix said...

Mac says: "I'll thank you for that Beak, it's more than I ever got from Yeagley. But I'd like to point out that BE hasn't "devolved into Stormfront Lite" - the truth is, it has always been Stormfront lite."

Now what do we see today at Naughty Chicken?

"Another one of my articles has been posted on a European site. This time, I do not recognize the language at all. I'm embarrassed. Anyone have any idea? I can't even tell which article it is."

There are numbers and proper names, so identification of one's own article shouldn't be THAT difficult. If one isn't a moron, that is.

But, more important, the good doctor obviously didn't twig that this is -- yet another -- white nation site that is publishing him. It is perfectly obvious from the logo and the general layout, on the homepage they are selling the Turner Diaries and there are links to Holocaust-denier Germar Rudolf, something the great friend of the Jews has overlooked, although one of them is in English.

Instead, he is embarrassed because he doesn't recognize the language, but not because it's a white supremacist site that is publishing him. One doesn't need to understand one single word of this language (I don't) to see it for what it is.

But I guess that is another "personal" thing from me, Beak, right? And you can "discard" the fact that your friend your friend your friend your friend your friend your friend your friend your friend your friend your friend has been published YET AGAIN by another white supremacist site.

The Pagan Temple said...

Interesting. I tell you what that sounds like to me. Yeagley knew full well what the site was, he was just tooting his own horn to his readers, pointing out that he had been linked and quoted by another site (one a large segment of his readers would appreciate, apparently) and just wanted to make sure everybody knew about it, so he says it in a way that doesn't sound like bragging, and might even serve to put him across as humble. Sounds to me like he's just full of shit.

Of course, I guess it's possible he didn't know exactly the context of how he was being linked and quoted and hoped somebody would enlighten him.

I visited Yeagley's site once. I found it boring.

The_Editrix said...

"I tell you what that sounds like to me. Yeagley knew full well what the site was, he was just tooting his own horn to his readers, pointing out that he had been linked and quoted by another site (one a large segment of his readers would appreciate, apparently) and just wanted to make sure everybody knew about it, so he says it in a way that doesn't sound like bragging, and might even serve to put him across as humble. Sounds to me like he's just full of shit."

Excellent analysis, although I think he seriously didn't twig what a website that was. (I may be wrong.) Partly because he doesn't care, partly because he really is too dumb for any analysis.

His phoney humility you've got to a "T".

By the way, that website is for the Nationalist Socialist Party of Finland! Somebody else ran a translation. (Yeagley could have done that too, couldn't he?)

As the guy who run the translation put it: "And when Yeagley wonders out loud how his stuff ends up on these sites, it is hilarious. All I can say is "Doc, when you walk like a duck, quack like a duck and swim like a duck, other ducks are going to be attracted to you." It isn't rocket science after all."

A wannabe-political "pundit" whose writings are almost exclusively published in the Internet ought to know about such things. If he doesn't, it shows a shocking degree of political and intellectual ineptitude. But I guess if I say that is just a "personal" matter and I am saying it not because I am appalled at the abyss of disqualification for which that man stands, but in truth because I don't like men with long hair who wear ethnic jewellery and Nehru shirts and he once drowned my rubber duckie.

beakerkin said...

Editrix

There is some oddity to this. Yeagley is full of malice towards blacks and it makes zero sense. Obama is a symbol for many, but so is Yeagley.Yeagley gives them the affirmation of their paranoia.Here is an Indian confirming their craziness.

He is a brilliant, but for all his brilliance he is flawed and wrong about many things.

I guess my creation of the wise poet, theologian, scholar, pundit
and patriot was false. Perhaps it is not shame on Yeagley it is shame on me for elevating him to a symbol. The image wasn't real as the vision was more of a reflection of my hopes than of the reality of a person all too human.

The_Editrix said...

"He is a brilliant..."

Beak, you are still delusional. Nothing about that man is brilliant.

Obviously, many people, myself included, have seen something in him that he wasn't. You are right, that is not his fault. It is the fault of those who saw something that wasn't there and you are not alone in this. Again: I am in it as well.

While I am writing this it occurs to me (I may err here) that maybe we all fell into the race trap. White people tend to be so amazed if a member of an ethnic minority produces anything at all, that they tend not to notice that it is just mediocre, if that.

Of course, that is arrogant and condescending, but it's a phenomenon to be reckoned with. It would explain as well why other Indians are his harshest critics. It's not because they are pinko leftist commies, but because this race trap is not for them.

I guess Yeagley is not alone in this. Obama's success is mostly, maybe exclusively, based on that phenomenon. Gosh, there is an "African American" who comes, at least at first sight, across as fairly bright, educated and polished. White people were so RELIEVED because of that, that they were only too happy to embrace him. If I got you right, maybe that is what you call the reflection of your hopes.

If I am right in this, it isn't without a certain irony that Yeagley and Obama jumped on the same gravy train, although not with equal success.