Wednesday, August 12, 2009

A Country more divided than ever

I am dismayed at the Obama is Hitler threads at Free Republic. However, I have expressed similar concern when the Bush = Hitler crew was in overdrive. Obama is a European style Socialist with a
streak of megalomania that exceeds Clintonian excesses. There is legitimate anger at his policies and it is exacerbated by a job market that is in bad shape. We need to get America back to work and are going in the wrong direction.

There is also some shocking talk at Free Republic that some are claiming the Israelis are behind the birther movement. I want to point out that this seems like a far left blame Israel canard from the usual suspects. Of course if proof that Obama was born abroad the usual suspects would blame whatever Jews were involved as zionist agents working with forged Mossad documents. The folks at Free Republic were cheering the alleged Israeli role that seems like far left fiction.

To those birthers, be careful of what you seek. Two scary words President Biden... Is America ready for the first developmentally disabled President. Obama becomes a symbol like JFK instead of a failed Presiddent like Jimmy Carter and we have one hundred years of Obama worship.

10 comments:

beamish said...

I can point to thousands of media accounts which prove that Obama is the Messiah. It's rather silly to suggest otherwise. As Messiah, it is entirely possible his divine birth took place in Hawaii and Kenya simultaneously.

As far as comparing Obama's agenda and actions to the Nazis, it is important in any political discussion to be precise. Nazi economic and social policies are the brand of leftism that Obama seems most keen upon.

Alligator said...

Beak, my problem with the birther movement.
1) I think Obama was born in Hawaii. Birth announcements in the local Hawaiian newspapers aren't certificates but who would have gone through the trouble then to have those printed if in fact they were in Kenya at the time.
2) Obama's folks are holding back the certificate for a couple of reasons. One is arrogance. They know the MSM is not going to press for it, so why respond to shut up the birthers? Two, it is an ace up their sleeve and when they feel the time is right, they would produce the document to absolutely belittle and discredit anyone on the right who championed this cause. Can you say "egg on your face"? Remember, we are still way early in this administration.
3) Just for the sake of argument let's suppose Obama was not born in the USA. Don't you think the power structure supporting Obama could produce a certificate that would pass the test authenticity? And even if it were proven he were not born in the USA, I think the current Congress and/or the Supreme Court would find some way to legitimize his reamining in office. Certainly the MSM would do nothing to foster his removal from office if that were the case.

So whether one believes he is a natural-born citizen or not, I think his remaining president for the next 3 1/2 years is a moot point.

Fighting secret cabals, and black helicopter type conspiracies is easier for some to do than it is to identify and combat leftist ideals encroaching in political and educational institutions, or even just plain old fashioned political corruption and power grabs.

I tend to see the birther issue as following a rabbit track when we should be tracking moose.

The_Editrix said...

"Obama's folks are holding back the certificate for a couple of reasons. One is arrogance. They know the MSM is not going to press for it, so why respond to shut up the birthers?"

I agree 100%. But I do NOT agree that it is a rabbit track. I think this degree of arrogance is frightening in itself. The guy thinks he is above the law.

Ducky's here said...

Beak, what are you doing over at the Orly Taitz admiration society?

This may amuse you:

According to Salon.com, a judge on Thursday ordered Taitz’s motion stricken from the court record so there was no hearing on the motion and the Kenyan document was thrown out on procedural grounds.

The judge’s order stated that Taitz’s motion was improperly filed because it was in the wrong format, it lacked proper notice, she failed to identify her Calif. State Bar No., and the description of the motion conflicts or is different from that which counsel entered on the Court’s e-docket.

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And the bimbo claims she's an attorney.

Always On Watch said...

I don't read Free Republic on a regular basis, although the site does come up when I do some Google searches.

Warren said...

Through the San Diego Wild Animal Park, a 1,800-acre wildlife preserve, runs a monorail that was built to replace an antiquated "train".

After it was built, and before it was put in service, the powers that be decided that a snappy name would be given to the new bush railway that winds through the preserve. A staff meeting was held and much brainstorming ensued.

It was decided that something snappy and African sounding would be appropriate but it seems that none spoken any African dialect. After several uneventful hours with no useful ideas, one participant noticed another had written "wgasa" on a scratch pad.

It was perfect! "Wgasa", The Wgasa Bush Line Railway!

Now you may ask, what does "Wgasa" mean?

I'm not sure but "Who Gives A $hit Anyway?"

That's the way I feel about the whole birth certificate deal.

Obama's a train wreck!

Alligator said...

The Editrix said,

"I agree 100%. But I do NOT agree that it is a rabbit track. I think this degree of arrogance is frightening in itself. The guy thinks he is above the law."

Actually it is more like the tip of the iceberg. But I although I agree with them in many areas, I don't see the birthers pursuing this so much from the standpoint of arrogance. They think (at least the ones I've read or talked to) that he is really has something to hide. If they focused more on this as an example of his political arrogance, I could support them more strongly. In many respects, we know nothing about Obama's personal life, what he did in Harvard, as a community organizer, how he got from Hawaii to Indonesia to Kansas to Chicago to the White House...his life is still pretty much a big question mark.

On the other hand, the MSM told us every time GW Bush did or didn't show up for National Guard training 30 years ago...and made stuff up to help the story. Every president that I can remember Bush II, Clinton, Bush I, Reagan, Carter, Nixon, Johnson, Kennedy...the press trotted out every detail of their family life, growing up, schooling, etc. Does anyone remember Billy Carter's beer escapades? Do you remember the stories about how a poor fatherless boy from Arkansas becomes a Rhodes scholar then president? Or as a kid I heard ad naseum about JFK on PT 109. I could and can find all the information on these people you could until you are satiated.

Yet when it comes to Obama's pre-presidential life all you hear from the MSM and Dems is the sound of crickets. It is still very difficult to find out anything significant about his public or personal life. The man is like a blank slate.

The_Editrix said...

"They think (at least the ones I've read or talked to) that he is really has something to hide. If they focused more on this as an example of his political arrogance, I could support them more strongly.

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Yet when it comes to Obama's pre-presidential life all you hear from the MSM and Dems is the sound of crickets. It is still very difficult to find out anything significant about his public or personal life. The man is like a blank slate."


Well, nobody will accuse Americans to possess all that much political instinct. I said months ago that the man is a Muslim, Americans are not even convinced after he bowed to the Saudi King like a waiter from the waist. "Only waiters bow at the waist." George V, Rex et Imperator 1910-36, via Mark Steyn, not to mention the fact that Michelle found it appropriate to grope the Queen of England. I then refrained from watching reports from the pope visit. For all I know, they probably tickled the old man and the world found it a whimsical and original expression of respect.

Alligator said...

Editrix, that was indeed a bow. I've watched those videos over and over when Gibbs tried to spin it as simply bending to reach the king. I can't stand when people deny the blatantly obvious. Of course, there are a percentage of Americans that would believe the moon was made of Swiss instead of Bleau cheese if the White House told them.

And no, the majority of Americans have no political instinct. During the campaign when Obama advertised "change you can believe in" I asked some of his supporters exactly what the "change" was going to be. I didn't get an answer and instead got thumped on "You're just asking that because he is black." Some of them (not all) are now expressing buyer's remorse.

Sometimes it gets really frustrating, almost impossible to have a civil discourse about politics in this country. But then judging from general turmoil of history, its probably really always been that way. There are party zealots who would vote for and support Hitler or Stalin if he were the nominee.

The_Editrix said...

"You're just asking that because he is black."

Yes, that's about the level of perception.

Americans are, of course, not dumber than Europeans. What makes the difference, I think, is that they are straightforward. Deviousness and Machiavellian tricks are not their cup of tea. They take everything at face value and are, by and large, no crooks. The enemy of my enemy must be my friend and all that, and they think all the world is like that. Again, Obama's success is based on that. He is such a NICE guy, you know. If it only were that easy.

I have dedicated part of my blog to this strange phenomenon:

-- The Pro-Köln-Dustup:
02/17: What Americans don't twig
04/26: Innocents Abroad
04/30: The Unembarrassables
05/10: Loose Apes with Razors

This should be interesting as well:

-- A Crucial American Fallacy:
Dear American conservative! Did you know that there is a 99,9% probability that somebody you call appreciatively a German (or Austrian, for that) patriot will hate your guts?