Poe points out that civil disturbances are uncommon but a armed public will have to fend for itself. The LA riots are examples of where the Police could not protect the public. Korean merchants had to defend their stores with shot guns.
The Police can not protect each and every one of us 24/7. They can not even protect people whose life is seriously threatened . Self defense starts with the person in the mirror.
Poe points out that in the days of the Wild West one had to protect their homes and loved ones from Native Americans . Todays inner city faces a foe more deadly and less reasonable the urban criminal predator. The inner city predator knows the vast majority of people have been disarmed. He has zero need to fear a disarmed populace and can and will act out his depraved dreams.
Moreover we face a warrior culture and it is a matter of time till we face our own Beslan type attacks. Some will say that they have allready occured at LAX, the DC sniper and Ari Halberstam case. Yet our restrictive carry laws leave us more vulnerable. In the LAX case a trained employee averted a larger tragedy.
Coming Up Poe Gun Myth number 6 Guns should be licensed just like cars.
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In Virginia, we have a carry-in-the-open law. I was well armed at all times during those horrific three weeks of the D.C. snipers. Would the gun have done me any good? Probably not, but I carried anyway. In fact, almost everyone I know carried at that time.
Moreover we face a warrior culture and it is a matter of time till we face our own Beslan type attacks.
Some Aussies have told me that the 2nd Amendment will save our bacons.
An unloaded gun is nearly useless. In fact, an unloaded handgun doesn't even make a decent club.
Of course, a gun is not a toy nor an instrument to use for bluffing. If one doesn't have the guts to pull the trigger, one shouldn't pull out the gun.
When fearing that someone had broken into her house, my unarmed neighbor called me to check things out. The police here are notoriously slow to respond.
There are so many legal variables here that it is difficult to have a clear opinion about gun ownership in this case.
I agree with AOW when she says that you have to be prepared to squize the trigger.
MOst people don't realize what is involved here.
In Oz gun ownership was very popular until that fatefull Sunday April 28, 1996 (Port Arthur massacre)
But, in reality gun owners could not really use them in self defence without being accussed of applying excessive force.
Recently we even had a situation in Sydney where a home owner was sentenced to jail (2 year probation) for tackling a home intruder and inflicting kind of injury upon the "poor felon".
With such (criminal friendly) laws, gun ownership would get the poor crime victim even into a deeper trouble.
And so gun ownership was really meanigless.
Since the Port Arthur Massacre the gun laws in Australia are additionally very restrictive and gun ownership is vertually non-existent.
At the same time crime involving the use of handguns skyrocketed.
Additionally, illegal gun running became as popular as drug importing and pushing.
You can get 9mm piece for something like $AU 350.00.
Can you win here??
"The police here are notoriously slow to respond."
Our NSW police is used by our local government almost exclusively as revenue collecting "farse".
They do not even investigate burglaries.
Always
I used to question myself if I ever could pull the trigger. However,I spent part of my career supervising hardened criminals from halfway houses. Most of them became friends but I always had the same respect one has for a rattle snake.
Felis
Poe has reported the situation in Ausralia. However with the exception of Alaska the states with the most homicide death per capital were those with gun control laws. Vermont has guns all over the place but a low rate of gun death. The big Urban areas have much more deadly criminals and drug gangs.
Storm defending ones own home is a different matter then the streets.
In NYC I came to the aid of local police with a well placed shoe and vanished into the crowd. I tripped a fleeing suspect and allowed the police to catch up.
The LAX is a great example of how a well trained employee handles the situation. The guman was sent to find his 72 virgins.
The DC sniper never faced an armed oponent but may have been more cautious if people could shoot back. The tragedy at Columbine was excacerbated because the killers had a clear playing field until the cops arrive.
Then there is democide as a Commie you are well aware that Communism has killed more people then combat.
Therefore every citizen world wide should have a gun to protect themselves from Marxists and other tyranical governments. The fact is as a card carrying Marxist you are a far greater menace then Johny Jihad.
The media glossed over LAX and Hassan Ahkbar while playing up Abu Garib.
The Police can not protect each and every one of us 24/7. They can not even protect people whose life is seriously threatened . Self defense starts with the person in the mirror.
Police departments are one of the biggest wastes of taxpayer money ever contrived by mankind. More often than not the "crime" they are out to stop involves broken turn signals or parking a car in an arbitrarily "wrong" spot, to collect profit revenues for their city beyond local taxation.
It's nice that some police actually occasionally help and protect people in need of defense, but they are not even obligated by law to do so, except when you're their prisoner.
See this.
Sam
Mr Beamish is our Presidental Candite and part of the B Team Beamish, Big Bubba and Beakerkin.
Gun control only plays in Red Areas
and if the rest of us have to agitate for the Second Amendment lets do so. There is no legal grounds to ignore any part of the Constitution.
felis brought up good points about reasonable and excessive force in our law.
for some reason, our courts feel that the force you can defend with needs to be relatively equal to the force you are being attacked with, unless your life is being threatened. if someone doesn't know what they are up against, it is reasonable to take excessive action, without having to fear a lawsuit. some states have enacted 'make my day' laws which allow someone to attack with excessive/deadly force in these situations, but it's time that all states had this.
Duck as a Communist you should not be permitted near a gun. In fact Communist should wear special clothing and be subject to special taxes. They should be regularly beaten with no penalty by any Capitalist. Anyone trying to Convert from Capitalism should be killed . Wait I just described Islamic civ that the Duck is so worried about.
Duck Communism is dead and your next intelligent thought will be your first.
Beak,
Communism has killed more people then combat
How very true and funny you mentioned it.
Leaving in Poland for 27 years I can tell you that there were no gun related problems among the mainstream population.
No guns were permitted (apart from elitists shooting and hunting clubs) and borders were virtually sealed so gun
The profit oriented crime was almost fully controlled by the communist militia (apart from some petty theft and small black market operations).
Communists had monopoly on crime as well and so no foot soldier criminal in his right mind would risk being executed without a trial by his "handlers".
There were cases of militia organized killings but it was all very well "justified and explained" to the public (or nobody ever learnt about it).
Having said that I must say the country suffered from most horrific crimes (usually vendettas, behaviour influenced by substance abuse etc.) commited with other weapons such as kitchen knives, knuckle dusters, chisels, screwdrivers - you name it.
Where there's a will...
for some reason, our courts feel that the force you can defend with needs to be relatively equal to the force you are being attacked with,
Exactly right.
How can you evaluate such force in potentially dangerous situation acting under under severe stress and having a split of a second to act?
In fact, gun ownership in OZ meant very little for self defence.
Most of us had guns because we belonged to shooting clubs of various flavour.
Shooting an intruder would most likely get you criminal record.
At the same time most violent crimes involving guns were committed with guns brought into Australia illegally or stolen (in some cases from private security agencies).
When the our Federal governmet restricted "alredy strict" guns laws most of us gave up our sport because it simply became too expensive.
Crimes involving shooting trippled since 1996.
Samwich,
Have your mom show you a tit sometime.
I always tell my Australian friends that a CO2 powered paintball gun loaded with 70mm steel ball bearings will shatter cinderblock at short to medium range. Never tried it on a human skull.
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