Wednesday, April 19, 2006

Should Colleges have racially segregated dorms

There are several colleges with all black and hispanic housing areas. This voluntary segregation is never critiqued. The notion of having an all white dorm is clearly not allowed. Why do our quote " Progressive " Universities endorse Jim Crow on Campus. I do understand a no alcohol section as this is a place reserved for serious students.

Our enlightened universities have speech codes, segregated living areas and are staffed by the old Bolshevik Couch Potato crew. Something stinks in accademia and it is time that the taxpayers started demanding reforms and value for our tax dollars.

Beamish in 08, Ducky to be deported and 167 changing formats yet again.

144 comments:

the merry widow said...

No! Aside from sexually or non-alcoholic dorms, you need to learn how to deal with people of many backgrounds. This whole issue stinks of leftist race "protectionism", just proves who the true racists are! Not only that, but it encourages an attitude of entitlement and superiority! Divide and conquer!

tmw

nanc said...

i don't really like people all that much so i'd require my very own dorm.

Robert Bayn said...

Segregation is just wrong, going to college should be about learning new things and the world around you, for many who more than likely have lived a sheltered life.

beakerkin said...

I understand a section for serious students with no alcohol or parties. The rest of the segregation is absurd .

Mr. Ducky said...

Wow, several colleges. How many colleges are there in the U.S. and you're bent out of shape about "several". Care to name them?

This is probably a residue from a time when blacks WERE a harassed minority on several campuses and also the dorms were a way for minorities to demonstrate they had some power on campus, something it wasn't really necessary for whining white bread like merry widow to do.

Much ado about nothing much.

beakerkin said...

Cornel has a Ujamma house and it does not admit whites. Lets see bigotry is okay as long as it is endorsed by Marx.

The Duck should also be segregated as treasonous Marxist types belong in Gitmo.

nanc said...

well, he's not welcome in my dorm!

nanc said...

O.T. a wonderful person, zola levitt, has passed away today. for those who don't know who he is - you have missed out on one of three best things on the earth. i'm now heartbroken and at a loss as if i'd lost a loved one. anyway, if you followed his life, you can go here and leave your condolences:

http://www.levitt.com/zolastatus/2006/04/19/zola-has-gone-to-be-with-the-lord/

the merry widow said...

Oh Nanc, no I didn't know! I remember him as such a wise and insightful man. Loved his "Hymn for the Bride". Didn't get to watch him very much, but got a lot out of his teachings whenever I could.
Question, am I a whiner? That is not my intent. If not I will ignore plucked duck.

tmw

beakerkin said...

I am well aware of Zola and watched his show in the early morning hours. He was a fierce enemy of the new Christian anti semitism called progressive dispensationalism.

the merry widow said...

Kingdom Now theology is a pile of ice cold doggie-doodoo! It is an insult and smells like smoke! Straight out of the pit! We left several churches in N. Ca. because of it. Want to watch me go off on a rant? start that crud and I'll oblige you. G*D's word is yes and amen, HE never goes back on a promise. A lot of people are going to be shocked when they find out the land boundaries HE set for Israel! Whoo-woo, can hardly wait to see the faces!!!

tmw

Da Weaz said...

Hey, Ducky, long time no see! Stop by the weazl's home to a place where's you'll be in the majority. Weazl's response to the pretty hate machine that is FPM.

But nanc, baby, you're welcome too, especially if you can write somehting more than "I'm here." You're so chatty everywhere else, you little trollish vixen.

Beaker, you can stay here. Fine job yer doin'.

nanc said...

well, well, well, if it isn't the sneezle - idiot extraordinaire. what you don't realize is i am here! where else would i be? and stop calling me "baby" or i'll never spank your hiney again!

Mr. Ducky said...

Weaz, my favorite troll.

Where's your site?

How do you get nanc to give spankings?

She has to be of some use, I guess.

Mr. Ducky said...

Hey merry widow, keep thumping baby. My guess is that you really hate illegals because they're Catholic you racist butt clown.

Man weasel's made a new man of me.

nanc said...

are you another self-inflicted idiot, plucky? all you need to do is go to his name above, click on it and it will take you right to the stinky little devil. i see you have friends in low places.

beakerkin said...

Weasie

This blog does not cater to the criminaly insane. We also like our commenters to have one personality as multiple personalities with Napoleon complexes should only be treated by professionals.

Please remind your fellow patients of your " gufaw " credentials. Now take your deprovera like a good psycho and send best wishes to your friend the pedophile Socrates .

nanc said...

i'd make a new man out of you too, plucky, but it's called turning you into a soprano. laaaaaaaaaaaaa

nanc said...

i get the distinct feeling that's not our plucky, beak - remember what sneezle did to mahdi.

the merry widow said...

It sure is hard to be bigotted when mom was R.C. HaaaaHaaaaaa!!
You're right Beaker, he sure 'flipped' fast.
Nanc- Went to WND, sounds like Zola went out like a soldier of the Cross. Another person I can hardly wait to see!
Got errands, blessings!

tmw

the merry widow said...

By the way Nanc, if you need a fork...

tmw

Mr. Beamish the Instablepundit said...

This blog does not cater to the criminaly insane

WHAT?!

nanc said...

a rusty one, tmw?

Da Weaz said...

ducky,

it's


weazlsrevenge.blogspot.com

nanc shouldda told you, and beak, both have been there. ;-)

Da Weaz said...

Yeah, nanc, baby. I totally destroyed the mahdi, crying like a little sissy. What a completely pathetic and disgraceful performance. Baby, why did you call me out? You could've explained a bit more about those skinny legs you started talking about (and you were telling me about something else, but that'll remain our wittle secret ;-)

beakerkin said...

Weasie

Thats funny I recall I left you and Socrates crying for days at FPM. You were crying a storm up at FPM. Seems that nobody is fooled about Lard butts latest incarnation.

Take your deprovera like a good mental patient. Go cry to your pal Soc but I do not associate with pedophiles.

Now take your meds like a good societal pariah.,

Da Weaz said...

Beaker, you always have been and always will be a half-wit. You should be quite flattered that Ducky chats with you. He is out of your IQ range. As far as humiliation goes, nobody was more humiliated than you when I complimented your little site and had you licking spittle happy as a little puppy dog, until leggy nanc had to come to your pathetic aid, and you were whining about how "not nice" that was. Beak, you've been made a fool of more times than I can count, so lets simply just give a little hat tip to each other and stay in our own IQ realms.

nanc said...

beak doesn't need me to come to his rescue - and as far as your i.q. - i'd say you are working in the deficit range, sneezle.

Da Weaz said...

Sorry, little cutie. 137 last I checked. My IQ is hopefully above your weight. ;-)

beakerkin said...

Funny Weasie

I recall you crying with Soc the Lard butt on FPM. In fact Nanc saw the whole thread.

Your IQ is another one of your delusions. We have a whole range of Leftwing Psychos who brag about alleged IQ 167 and 147. What number are you claiming ?

I am not here to cater to your delusions. You and the fatboy were crying up a storm on FPM.

I do not cater to the criminaly insane or in your friend's case pedophiles. We believe that pedophiles like your friend Soc should face the death penalty.

So what day do they serve Tapioca to the criminally insane in Florida. Do you spend your days crying about Govenor Bush ?

The Duck is the our staff troll.

Now take your meds like a good psycho.

nanc said...

well, sneezle - they do say genius is next to insanity - that 'splains it if indeed you're not lying - which also the insane tend to do very well.

Da Weaz said...

Really, beaker moron? Then link to the thread.

Prove it then, beaker moron. Which day? Which month? Who was the author? Which article? What year?


You're a joke. A sad little joke.

nanc said...

why don't you tell us what you think of segregated dorms, sneezle? inquiring minds want to take your opinion and flush it while we're giving you a swirly!

nanc said...

funny how beak has more posters than you...

hey, beak - put the sneezle on to roast next!

Robert Bayn said...

ahhhh, i see beak always making new friends.

beakerkin said...

Rob

Weasie is the criminally insane but notice how all these far left types brag about IQs. His friend Meathead is a genuine pedophile who post under 30 names at Front Page magazine.

Weasie every time you or your pal Soc tangle with me you cry. I am not here to cater to your mental defects. Your claim to intelligence is laughable.

Remember my posters do not cater to the criminally psychotic. Now take your meds and bore the staff.

beakerkin said...

Weasie this is great you will now join the lexicon of left wing psychopaths as 137.

nanc said...

this is one of the links, but i've got to go - be back later:

http://www.frontpagemag.com/GoPostal/?ID=21841

sneezle was making a pitiful fool out of himself around the last two weeks of march. probably a case of the "et tu's"!!

nanc said...

don't mess with the librarian, sneezle.

bum from jersey said...

I went to a college that had "segregated" dorms. There is a reason why I put it in quotes because to outsiders it might seem like its segregated but in actuallity it is not. Most dorms in this situation have programs going on within the dorm. At my college, it was an African American Cultural program. Naturally, most of the people who were interested in joining the program were African American (and to a lesser degree Latinos and Caucassians). So it might appear that the dorm is segregated but really its not; its just most people who were interested in the program were of a certain race.

What should also be noted is that even though the dorm was mostly African/Carribean American students there were was a significant minority of people of different nationalities. So it wasn't totally segregated. Before I came to the university, I had the same questions as you did but after I saw what the program was about and it in action, I really didn't hae a problem with it. I didn't see it as being much different from the program I was in which concentrated on science and technology. The same situation occured in this program as well except the majority of the students were males and the minority was females. Its funny people don't bat an eye when there are gender disparities but go nuts when there are racial ones.

beakerkin said...

Bum

I do not know what purpose a segregated dorm serves. However if it open to all this is not as bad.
A dorm that excluded blacks would not be percieved in the same manner and rightly so.

bum from jersey said...

There isn't any exclusion though. All people are welcomed to join, its just certain people of a certain group seem to be more interested in joining the group. I don't see how thats segregation especially since there isn't any pressure to exclude any group.

the merry widow said...

Back Nanc- I'll bury it for a couple of weeks, in Fla. the salt will do a number. Then, if I file the tips down blunt... I'll let you use it on whomever you deem needs it the most!

tmw

MissingLink said...

Are there Blacks only dorms in the US?
There isn't any exclusion though..

Why bother then at all?

There used to be male/female only enclosed bathing areas along Sydney shore.
The last male bathing place was disolved by a court order sometimes in the mid 80's (it is general now).
Somehow there are still female baths only left.
Not that I care too much but there's something wrong with the whole "equality" principle.
Of course, there always will be a number of "progressive" people who find all logical explanations for such exemptions to the rule.
This is where the whole "equality" issue becomes plain mockery.

bum from jersey said...

This is becoming a much bigger issue than it should be. the programs are not exclusionary. They are treated just like any other program. For instance, you could join a math theme floor, science theme floor, european history theme floor, or little green aliens are going to come and destroy us one day floor. The point is, these themes are open to everyone. Its not mandatory that you join such a program but the program is out there if you are interested.

I can't emphasize this enough: just because tha majority of people in a cultural program floor is made up of people from that culture does NOT mean people from other cultures are not welcome to join it and learn about it. The program floor is more like a history class and you are welcome to come and learn about it. It does not put down any other group just informs you about the cultural styles of that program. I really was like many of you guys and when I first read about it, I thought wtf? Isn't this segregation weather it be voluntary or not? But when I came to college I saw it was nothing of the kind. Its just a theme floor w/ a cultural background which makes absolutely no effort to exclude anyone. If anything, they try to invite everyone to join. I don't know how it was when you guys attended college but for me, you were allowed to choose where you want to live and if these folks choose to live on a floor or a dorm w/ a cultural theme so be it. Don't look at it as selfsegration but rather they want to learn more about the program and what its all about.

Now this may not be the norm at all universities, but at mine, thats what it was about. Other places it might be different (i.e. MIT has "Chocolate City").

bum from jersey said...

Are there Blacks only dorms in the US?
There isn't any exclusion though..


Oh and again - these dorms are not 100% or even 80% made up of one demographic group. And don't say, well what if it was, because it rarely ever is. I want to say never but I am sure someone will come up w/ some obscure college out there where I am wrong (not even Chocolate City i cited above is 100% black and latino).

MissingLink said...

Bum,
I was just curious.
It's all totally allien to me as ..
"For instance, you could join a math theme ..." ..we don't have anything like it in Oz.

Da Weaz said...

nanc, baby, I agree 100% with the bum.

And I'm not even in the link you posted. So much for your library skills.

And the beaker moron gets more people commenting, but doesn't get more people attending the site and reading the stuff.

And weaz has only been up for a month.

But thanks for stoppin' by, baby. Kinda like that Southern hospitality. ;-)

Warren said...

"And the beaker moron gets more people commenting, but doesn't get more people attending the site and reading the stuff."

There's always a crowd at a freak show.

The freaks want the attention and normal people get a kick out of the bizzare.

Justin said...

You will never find a Liberal who practices what he preaches let alone knows what the blue-blazes he knows what he's talking about.

the merry widow said...

You got it Warren, they are hilarious! Kind of like watching a drunk try to negotiate a curb!
BTW Warren, I have tried to comment at your site, and someothers, but I can't get past the registration part, or if I do I can't get the blog to accept my verification! Frustrating!!! My computer person died on me and I am tech challenged! Help!

tmw

Anonymous said...

Well, there goes the neighborhood! Mustela frenata droppings everywhere. Why would anyone wish to visit his home?

Over many generations its common name has come to be synonymous with a large, uncomplimentary vocabulary of English-language insults, perhaps because of its owner's size (must be an anatomical deficiency), elusive manner, secretive lifestyle, and perhaps above all for its ability to change colors for self protection. Consider its synomys: "to get out of (as in "weasel out"), worm out of, sneak out of, shuffle out of, sleaze out of; evade, get by or around, avoid, dodge, duck, fudge; hedge, fence, not commit oneself, equivocate, doubletalk, waffle, beat around the bush, skirt the issue, not give a straight answer, hem and haw, beg the question."

Need I say more?

-FJ

Mr. Beamish the Instablepundit said...

What the hell is all this crap? Da Weaz has come here referencing arguments from another forum entirely with all the requisite "what abouts" and "prove its" like a jilted attention whoring drama queen.

I'm curious. Da Weaz, do you suck cock? Are you a peter puffer? I bet you could suck a basketball through a coffee straw....

Mr. Ducky said...

Beak, I hope you aren't going to censor weaz. Why not go round up all the dirt off the floor over at FPM...the lovely Donal, Canadian Steve, maybe Mike would join if he isn't jerking off to Atlas Shrugged.

Souds like weaz scared off Marjorie or Mahdi, whatever.

beakerkin said...

Mr Beamish

Sexual deviancy is not Weasie's problem. He is certified criminally insane and likes to cry with his boy Meathead ( Socrates)a serial pedophile. He is on a delusional trip about his credentials but his only degrees came from sticking a termometer in his backsides. He has a site that nobody bothers to visit.

He spends the rest of his day in the assylum pretending he is Bella Abzug or Jerry Brown on Acid.

Da Weaz said...

You got it Warren, they are hilarious! Kind of like watching a drunk try to negotiate a curb!

Mean kinda like Bush trying to run a country? Yeah, would be funny if so many people weren't dying and going broke watching the Moron 'n Thief

Anonymous said...

137? Cattell IIIB, probably. LOL!

-FJ

beakerkin said...

Ducky who needs to censor Weasie ?
He is incoherent and insane and his next intelligent thought will be his first.

We do not censor here and the first Amendment is still the inspiration of this blog.

Da Weaz said...

And by the way, I got a whole lot more posts before you morons came to the site with your idiocy and scared away the intelligent people from posting. Want proof: This is where you morons revealed your shit-fer-brains

http://www.blogger.com/comment.g?blogID=22898260&postID=114359413227422880

Anonymous said...

So weezy, its' really a shame you can't clock-chip that processor of yours. And I don't think adding co-processors is going to help either. You know what they say about data processing. Garbage-in, garbage out!

-FJ

beakerkin said...

Weasie

All we get from you is excuses and in the real world excuses do not cut it. When you are not making excuses you are telling tall tales about alleged credentials.

If you are so brilliant how did Nanc pick out you game. The answer is you are not a has been you are a never were.

Anonymous said...

I'm with bum. There's nothing wrong with themes. Personally I prefer Greek ones, providing it's not Gamma Gamma Gay.

But then again, I do like the EXCLUSIONARY nature of certain Greek "societies". But then again, I would never actually join any society that would consent to accept me as a member. And fraternal "associations" are far, far too pedestrian. I mean, weasel could probably join the APA if he ever wanted to, but he could NEVER get into the APS. I guess there's something to be said for exclusivity, provided it isn't funded on a public dime.

-FJ

Mr. Ducky said...

Hey Beak, does this mean weaz is the official troll?

Can the title be shared?

beakerkin said...

No Ducky that is your role. The job
description includes lucidity and crying is a major disqualification.
Our offical troll has to snarl and have some modicum of talent.

Weasie can never rate higher then a minor pest. He is not even as interesting as Anum

Da Weaz said...

I guess you don't get it, Ducky. The only reason I posted was to invite you over. If you think that I was to chat with this bunch, then perhaps I gave you more credit than you deserved. I've known about this site for quite a while, but frankly the beak is simply too stupid to conversate with. No, you can be the troll. I simply wanted to make contact. Play among the morons as you see fit.

the merry widow said...

Personally Ducky, you have class. john brown and sneezy could learn from you. Not only that you have been known to hold a conversation.

tmw
P.S. Anum is ditzy, but we can stand some of that. Insanity needs meds and confined areas to keep them from harming themselves and others!
tmw

Anonymous said...

The weasel is interesting in its approach to catching prey, because sometimes it will perform a "hypnotic dance" in front of the victim, which appears to mesmerise it. This behaviour is not prevalent in other species.

As amusing as it is to watch, the dance, fortunately for us, only truly affects basilisks.

-FJ

-FJ

Anonymous said...

Of course, you don't see many basilisks around anymore, so hey, whatever floats your boat. One dance is as good as another... although I suppose an hypnotic dance affects the right hemisphere a little more than the left. Isn't that the hemisphere that turns people into "socialists"? My old buddy Adolph was said to be able to produce a similar affect... must have been something a dancing weasel himself.

-FJ

Anonymous said...

I guess I'm not much of biologist. It was probably only a Mustela nivalis. Me, I prefer the long tale variety.

-FJ

Freedomnow said...

Its interesting that the Duck says that segregation in a couple of college dorms is OK, as long as it is just a few.

But if there was one college dorm that was white only he would scream bloody murder.

How funny.

Mr. Ducky said...

Now let's analyze this, freedomnow. Since I'm a leftist, I'll use reason instead of emotion, favored by assorted right wingers and freepers.

I said that there is a legacy of segregated dorms due to conditions decades ago. I question what value they have but don't believe the practice is prevelent. Universities apparently don't want the hassle of disbanding them.

I said nothing about "white only" dorms you snivelling piece of whitebread. Oh, the little white boy feels abused. His absolute power is threatened.

Now unfortunately as the rather oppresive majority from the decades when the segregated college dorms whites have to deal with the fact that a "whites only" dorm has a distinctly different connotation than "blacks only". Maybe we will get through this so that there won't be a need for either group to need all this but in the meantime I don't believe you are harmed.

Now if you want to get an idea of why blacks might feel excluded you can look at what occurred in New orleans during the hurricane and maybe get it through your vapid 85 I.Q. cracker head that racism does exist in this nation.

beakerkin said...

Ducky Freedom now raises a valid point. Bum from Jersey explains that the area is open to all and that there are Math sections.

My guess is a white theme would not even be permited by the University for obvious reasons. What a white theme would be is unknown as there are hundreds of cultures that fit into the spectrum.

I do not like the whole notion at all. Is there an Italian dorm or a Cuban section ?

I prefer the theme sections and understand a cafeteria for special dietary needs that does not exclude outsiders. A Halal kitchen is fine as long as Herb Sixpack can eat there if he chooses.

Weasie do let the door hit you on the backside as you depart. My sitemeter picks up your frequent visits. I have mentioned before this blog does not cater to the criminally insane. Keep up the good work and some day you will have a mental pathology named after you.

Anonymous said...

Proof that racism still exists... Why you are all "vapid 85 IQ cracker heads!"

-FJ

Mr. Ducky said...

Farmer, I would call that stereotyping as opposed to racism. In freedomnow's case I have to believe it is accurate.

Of course, Beak could help disprove the thesis by not continually bringing up these rather trivial issues.

Anonymous said...

...and so if I were to say something to the effect that black readers over at "uptown's blog" were 85 IQ Sambo's, THAT wouldn't be racist...just a stereotype. Hmmmm. Are you implying that racism only flows in one direction?

-FJ

Anonymous said...

...ooops. perhaps that would be racist, since I specified "black readers"... but, suppose I left it a generic "readers of uptown's blog were Sambo's", that wouldn't be racist?

I wonder how many black readers there are here at beaks... and how many of them feel included in the term "cracker".

Are you saying that I shouldn't get upset when someone calls me a "cracker"?

-FJ

Mr. Ducky said...

Farmer, you can get as upset as you like. I do not run a politically correct operation. I go out of my way to find insulting terms to describe the right.

Call it racist if you like. I simply dislike southerners and the damage they do to our nation. I wish the damn crackers would find a clue.

Anonymous said...

Perhaps you should have let the South "go" then, instead of usurping their "rights". You Yankee's can go to hell too. You're the ones responsible for the "New World Odor"... you damn mercantilist, ship-owning, world-trading, Adam-Smith hugging, capitalist pigs! If this county runs a trade imbablance, we know exactly WHERE the blame lies.

-FJ

Anonymous said...

Damn uptight Puritan religionist! Moral crusaders, that's what you are! MYOB!

-FJ

Anonymous said...

Save the whales! Harpoon a New Englander! Save the Whalers, boycott Bob Marley!

-FJ

Anonymous said...

I'm glad someone on the Left is finally willing to admit to their blatant racism. Pig!

-FJ

Anonymous said...

You're okay, mr. ducky!

-FJ

the merry widow said...

FJ-Haaaahaaaaaabwaaaaaaaaaa!
The South shall rise again!

tmw

beakerkin said...

Ducky

This is not a trivial issue as it is part of Marxist Facism in higher ed. Lets see we have speech codes , Jim Crow dorms and political commisars appointments.
Bill Ayers qualifications were blowing up buildings. Angela Davis was hired despite her brushes with the law.

There appears to be an accademic version of Odessa for Commies.

American Crusader said...

Damn, wish I had been here earlier to respond to some of these comments. Da Weaz(or whatever it is)don't you pay attention at all to the economy?

As far as segregated dorms.. I don't think it's a good idea. College should be a place to open your mind. You can always join a fraternity if you want. Personally I lived off-campus after my freshman year which required living in a dorm.

nanc said...

beak said,

"If you are so brilliant how did Nanc pick out you game. The answer is you are not a has been you are a never were."

i could be helen keller and pick a nutcase out of a line-up, beak - i worked with cops AND district attorneys nearly my entire career - my own stepdad started a couple of reserve police officer programs in areas where we lived.

it is said in the circles i've travelled that you must have been a good juvenile delinquent to be in law enforcement - but alas, one does not need to be cop-like to be a criminal. sneezle says he's in law - i will assume either defense, corporate or civil. a very disturbed sort. like i said, helen keller could pick him out of a line-up.

nanc said...

plucky - i'm a transplanted californistinian to the south - i will tell you this after nearly six years here - the south takes care of its own and are some of the most giving, loving and wonderful people i've EVER met.

wave hello to somebody in california on the freeway and see if it doesn't lead to confrontation. if you DON'T wave here it leads to your being called a yankee snob. and another thing - in seven years since we left the left coast, i've seen only ONE homeless panhandler - just ONE! if you're down and out in the south, people pull together to help you right yourself.

Anonymous said...

Well nanc, you know those damn Yankee federalists. Unless everyone is into synchronized goose-stepping and rooting for the Sox, they're unhappy. It's always, "Do it my way!" with them. Loosen' up, ducky!

btw - Northern or southern Californistinian? I grew up in the once beautiful Santa Clara valley... East-Side of San Jose.

-FJ

Warren said...

TMW,
I'll help you out.

I'll turn the word verification off for a while and we can talk about the problem.

The reason that most of us use the verification is the spam posts. The word verification changes if you have the comments and reply box open for more than a minute or two. I usually hit the preview button without typing in the verification so I can get the "fresh" verification.

I'm not feeling well right now so if I don't reply quickly, don't be upset.

the merry widow said...

FJ- We lived in San Jose-Santa Clara for 4 yrs. 1995-99, so many people! About 10-15 mins. from Milpitas and about 20 from Alviso. Wall to wall people, saw pictures when it was just orchards, they did ruin it with Silicon Valley! When we left a studio apt. rented for $1,900.00 a month! The gangs were also pretty wild, Santa Cruz had Mexican, So. Pacific Islander gangs and overage hippies!

tmw

the merry widow said...

Warren- You concern yourself with resting and getting better! That is far more important than my yapping! You here? I will be very unhappy if you don't take care of yourself. I'll call in Nanc if you don't! Is it that miserable flu that's going around? I hope not, that stuff is no joke. How do you feel about some alternative remedies? Airborne works great at cutting stuff off before it takes over your life. I've used it for over 4 yrs. and love it! Walmart and Walgreen's carry a house brand that works as well. Antioxidents and Vit. B complex also help build up your system. You take care and we'll worry about my problems later!'Kay?
I'll be praying for you also.
tmw

Anonymous said...

I think if mr. duck really wanted to experience some vapid 85 IQ cracker head racialism, he wouldn't have to travel much farther than the inner city neighborhood of any northern or "blue-state" city. I wonder where Chicago stands on the IQ scale? I once saw a report that demonstrated that the average IQ of your "typical" Baltimorean was substantially lower than the 85 level you find so repugnant. In fact, I suspect that if someone were to measure the average IQ's of "blue-state" voters, that number would be WELL BELOW 100.

-FJ

Anonymous said...

nanc, OMG! We lived in San Jose and went to church in Milpitas ('62-66 & '70-75) and lived in Sunnyvale from ('79-82). My older sister is currently living in Palo Alto, and my younger brother lives in Scott's Valley (Santa Cruz hills). My sister went to UC Santa Cruz for a year '68, but "dropped out" to follow a "guru". Fortunately, she became "born again" and is now an RN (semi-retired). I commuted to SF for 3 years, which even at that time took less time to travel the 50 miles from Sunnyvale, than Sunnyvale to any point east, west or especially "south". We used to buy 5 pints of strawberries or cherries for $1.00. Now, I doubt if you could even FIND a strawberry patch or an orchard. Like they say, you can't go back home.

-FJ

the merry widow said...

It was tmw, FJ. Sorry! When we were in Santa Cruz, 1991-95, we went to church in Watsonville, we could still get fruit and veggies there and Martinelli still had thier apple juice plant there! Remember the little glass apples? There was one orchard and stand left in east San Jose, got wonderful cherries there! If you took the 17 into 880 you traveled about 80mph unless it was rush hour, then 5-10 if you were lucky with no accidents or fires in Los Gatos hills. When we left, Ben's boss bought a 1 acre lot with a condemned cottage(1 bedroom) for 1.8 million dollars! Watsonville was pretty much the same except for buildup around the edges, the farms weren't selling.

tmw

Anonymous said...

I wonder what the average IQ of residents living downtown New Orleans was prior to Katrina. If it was anything like Baltimore, no wonder it was such a disaster (and of course, the Baltimore study was done long before the Katrina incident)! The problem at FEMA was that "political correctness" kept them from planning to have to evacuate a huge concentration of "mental subnormals" from the area. They had "assumed" the residents would have at least an "average" mental capacity (100 IQ), not an average of 70-75.

-FJ

Anonymous said...

tmw,

Sorry for the confusion. I remember when on I-280 they used to open up the "shoulders" for traffic during rush hours. What a mess (that was my alternate up to SF when 101 was clogged). And I'll bet you used to get a lot of artichokes when you drove to Watsonville for church. A buddy of mine once tried to invent a "better way" of removing its' heart. Never worked though. And I can't tell you how many hours I used to spend at Sunset Beach, either laying in the sand, or up to my chest in the water "clamming". As for Los Altos Hills, I remember a friend of mine moving into a 7-level "split-level" there in '74, purchased for the then "outrageous" sum of $200K. My uncle had to sell his place in South San Jose back in '83 just down the street from "Frontier Village" to pay his "taxes". The place had been in his family since the late nineteenth century. He took his house apart (an old Victorian) and put it back together up in the Sierra foothills near Placerville. He passed back in '90, but my aunt still lives there. Thanks for the trip down memory lane!

-FJ

ps - Only 80 mph? Of course, one could NEVER do that on 17. Ever sneak over on 9?

religion of pieces said...

Muslims demand their rights, and require separate facilities where they do not have to associate with the unclean. According to Muslim doctrine, all Kafirs (non-believers) are 'najis' (Arabic for 'filth' or 'vermin')

Take a look at

http://www.al-islam.org/laws/najisthings.html

and http://www.sistani.org/html/eng/menu/3/inside/18.htm

"108. The entire body of a Kafir, including his hair and nails, and all liquid substances of his body, are najis."

Muslims regard Kafirs as filth. Kafirs are vermin infesting Allah's earth. Muslims don't actually tell us that to our faces, but they certainly preach it in their mosques and madrassahs, and publish it on their websites.

The doctrine of 'najis Kafirs' confirms (if confirmation were needed) that Muslim hatred of unbelievers is intrinsic to their 'religion'. A Kafir doesn't need to DO anything to offend a Muslim, his very existence is enough of an affront.

Anonymous said...

Ooops, Los Altos, Los Gatos... same place (not really). Last time I talked to one of my buddies, he was still carrying an $800K note on his tract-home in Cupertino. He's just now having his 1st child... and mine are almost all raised and "out of the house".... one left (and she leaves next fall). It doesn't "pay" to try and raise a family there anymore. It's a community of DINK's (Dual-Income, No Kids)....thanks to the environmental movement. All my other childhood "friend's" (with the one exception) never got married OR raised any kids. My younger brother either.

-FJ

nanc said...

i was born and reared in san diego and later moved to nor-californistan. lived in the bay area for a short time - enuf 4 me. although i appreciate what cities have to offer, it doesn't hurt my feelings one bit to do without some of the cultural aspects.

too funny, tmw - i just came from warren's and recommended "airborne". i run from colds and the flu and that's why i never catch one. when i feel something coming on me, i light up a menthol cigar and that scares most things away!

I LOVE THE COUNTRY!

nanc said...

farmer - the katrina victims definitely weren't STARVING to death from what i could see. some friends of ours who live farther south in mississippi said just try and get the people in n.o. to work - they dare ya!

do you ever notice how fat entitled people are?

nanc said...

i guess we're all naji, eh r.o.p.? good - i'm offended by people who are offended by me.

the merry widow said...

Oh yes, loved the drive but one summer there was a landslide that closed all but 1 lane for a couple of months! Every 1/2 hr. a State Trooper would lead a train of vehicles one way then afterwards another trooper would lead another train the other way! Hilarious. Big Sur was cut off for months because of landslides. Ben took this great shot on one of the promentories with fog coming in, beautiful! We used to go to Rancho San Antonio to hike
, still to many people! But we did see a bobcat, Ca. quail(love thier topknots), turkey and rattlesnakes. Had a pair of kestrels nest across the street every year. The Ca. garter snakes were impressive (the ones not eaten by the kestrels). And Roaring Camp, with the Old West days with all the reenactors camping out oldtime style! Or taking the railroad up to the top of the mountain so the children could pick out thier pumpkins. Ben worked in Scotts Valley so we knew a few back roads. They finally put a concrete barrier between the lanes but didn't fence the sides. At least after the barriers you got fewer morning and evening headons! But it didn't help the poor deer! Did go to Moffett Field for an open house, that was special because my Dad had been stationed there just before WWII. There were at least 5,000 people inside the dirigible hanger for exhibits! Lost my husband for 3 hours. Met some wonderful people there, just couldn't bring them back to Fla. with us!

tmw

the merry widow said...

FJ- Remember the UCSC mascot? And how the girls that went there were called "slugs" for single,lesbian until graduation? We would go out to the lighthouse and watch the rollers coming in. And go to the pier and eat seafood at Stagnero's, or go out on one of Stagnero's boats to whale watch? Go to Henry Cowell just past Roaring Camp to walk among the redwoods? Or picnic along the San Laurenzo river. Where the children (4 and 6) got a view of a nudist sunbather! Biology 101.
Nanc- Hey, great minds think alike!

tmw

themerrywidow said...

FJ- Did you go to the "Thistle Hut"?

tmw

themerrywidow said...

Nanc- Did you ever go to Ano Nuevo during the elephant seal breeding season? That was quite a hike. First time Ben was toteing a camcorder(oldstyle) and an 18 month old daughter. I was slidding down the dunes with a 3 yr. old ADHD son! Exhausted! San Diego was where we went once a year to get around some "normal" people, it was beautiful in spring with all the bushes and flowers blooming. Sea World and Balboa Park were must sees! Also the zoo and wildlife park. For a F Family Reunion we stayed on the Embarcadero across from the Star of India. Toured the fleet, saw an aircraft carrier, you don't realize how HUGH those things are until you pass by on a tour boat!

tmw

nanc said...

i used to live right down the street from the u.s.s. constitution and the u.s.s. kitty hawk in coronado - yes, i do know exactly how ahem, large they are.

my stepdad built us a homemade dinghy and about ten of us would carry it like pallbearers down to the bay, put in and float and row around those ladies - it was a gentler time when you could do things like that. of course, try to get within a mile of them now and you'd probably be mowed down in a hotflash.

things are ugly now.

nanc said...

p.s. tmw - i'm still going rounds with r.m., but my feminine wiles are about to overtake him. he is definitely one of my favorite people in the www!

bum from jersey said...

My guess is a white theme would not even be permited by the University for obvious reasons. What a white theme would be is unknown as there are hundreds of cultures that fit into the spectrum.

I do not like the whole notion at all. Is there an Italian dorm or a Cuban section ?


While black and African American are used interchangeably, from a sociological perspective they mean two entirely different things. Black is a word used to define a reace while African American (while it too can be used as a word to define race) is primarily meant be used a phrase to define a culture. That being said, there were other cultural program (not dorms) floors at my university. I remember the Latin American program (the women there - so beautiful), Southeast Asian, Asian, European, and probably others that I can't remember at the moment. Also, there were Italian clubs and such and probably could have been a floor program as well if there was enough interest. You know, its probably better to refer to it as a club because even though the dorm's floor theme was centered around a specific culture, your really only did activities (which were voluntary) twice a month or so.

That being said, after reading more of your comments, I do understand what you are saying. I am kind of wondering myself if what happened if we extended our program floors from cultural, science, literature, etc, etc, to also include religous programs. There certainly would be interest and the way the world is right now - would that be the best idea? So I understand your point but still had no problem w/ the cultural program floors at my University.

Mr. Beamish the Instablepundit said...

New Orleans compounds its history of Kingfish spoils system corruption by continuing to elect Democrats to positions of power, their bargain basement bidder levee system collapses the day after a major hurricane swept close by on its way to smashing the southern coast of Mississippi and Alabama to bits, and when people run to the places their duly(?) elected Democrat civic leaders claim to have spent money stocking food and medicine in and find those "supplies" as empty as Noam Chomsky's head, it's "racism" and not local incompetence?

Could you imagine the clusterfuck if a hurricane actually ever hit New Orleans?

Freedomnow said...

Ducky's reverse racism is not surprising.

I have been a victim of racism and racist violence more times than I could count. Growing up in Hollis, NY (in the same neighborhood that the rap group "Run DMC" is from) I was subjected to racism on a regular basis. Even though I am hispanic, I am light skinned and unless someone vouched for me, I was a moving target.

Your references to me as "a white boy... whose absolute power is threatened" is way off base. I grew up in total poverty and know nothing of priveledge. Yet you claim to use reason as opposed to stereotype casting?

Do you know what it is like to not be wanted in your own neighborhood because of your skin color? Do you know what it is like to be discriminated against and physically attacked for the same reason?

I know what "exclusion" is. You have no right to say such things to me.

nanc said...

no, he doesn't fern. i am olive complected and lived in a couple of areas of san diego as a child that were about half black (then) and the "honkies" and hispanics would have to be sent home five to ten minutes earlier than the blacks because of racial violence - them against us. we had to be buttholes and elbows if we wanted to make it home safely for a time. it wasn't much fun. i remember a couple of times hiding out at a neighbor's or a store until the dust settled.

i never understood why they hated us personally. still don't.

Anonymous said...

tmw,

Used to camp amongst the redwoods w/ the scouts at Big Basin State Park (off 9, I think). Used to go swimming in a creek w/ a waterfall just a little below Lick Observatory on the hill (tresspassing on private property, of course...although there was a little State Park a few miles upstream). If we wanted to hike, we usually went up to Alum Rock Park (my uncle had pictures of the "street car" that used to travel back & forth from downtown SJ. My dad was USAF, and stationed at the STC on the other side of Moffett Field NAS. My next door neighbor was an ET there for NASA, who used to sneak us into the "small hangers" to peer into U-2 cockpits. And the annual air shows there were awesome! Used to love the Blue Angels! I used to hunt those "cute quail" over at Hunter Liggett... and deer on the "landward side" of Big Sur. I used to camp with my two aunts for 2-3 weeks in the summer up at Sutters Mill on the South Fork, American River and "tube" my way down. And of course, we used to free-dive for abalone in Monterey Bay.

And nanc, my brother-in-law was stationed in San Diego for a couple of years (COD mechanic, USN). Used to visit him occassionally (although he has since retired and lives in upstate NY now). About the only thing I remember though is La Jolla. When I used to travel their on business, I seldom left airport plaza...never really knew my way around anyplace but there and the tourist traps of "Old Town".

-FJ

the merry widow said...

In San Diego we also went to the Scripps aquarium, that was fun. Monteray Bay Aquarium was a favorite trip! Loved the sea otters, went to Pidgeon Point lighthouse once. Did you ever get up to Bean Hollow beach? Used to "sneak" pockets full of bean pebbles home to the aquarium we had. What blew me away was in Santa Cruz, summer was the worst season because we lived 1/2 block to close to the Pacific, so we had fog all day except for 15 -20 mins. around 2:30pm! We were there when Fort Ord went back to Monteray county. One of the saddest things was the children being taken out of thier homes or while just walking around(i.e. Polly Klaus et al) you couldn't let your children play in the front yard without an adult very visibly present! My 2 freaked when we got back to Fla. and we sent them out on thier bikes to meet other children alone! One of the reasons we left, the constant vigilence was tiring. Even at night we had to leave bedroom doors open to hear if someone was trying to get in! That is an unnatural way to raise a child!

Anonymous said...

We used to drive to Summit [Clark's(?)] in the SC mountains and peer down to check the fog-levels before deciding whether or not it was worth it to complete the trip to the beach... I don't remember Bean Hollow Beach, but I do remember Natural Bridges. My step-mother lived in Capitola before my Dad remarried... and my father owned an art gallery in one of the small towns near Santa Cruz in the "touristy" part of town... they used to have an annual Begonia Festival there... don't quite remember the town, but it was rather "infamous" for its' "nude" beaches.

The crime you describe sounds horrible. When we lived in San Jose in the 60's and even into the early 70's, we never used to lock the doors. My parents never knew where I was... and I seldom got back indoors till after midnight. Talk about a different time and a different world.

My brother and I moved East to raise families. Those family members who stayed out West, never had any kids.

Come to think of it, my nephew was abducted for a few hours in San Diego hills many years ago (early 90's).... and molested, of course. Hmmmm. Hadn't thought of that in years.

-FJ

the merry widow said...

FJ- Yes the crimes were terrible! One 14 yr. old girl was kidnapped, raped and murdered while walking her dog! she was only a block or two from her home. There was a lot of that in the '90's!
Natural Bridges was loads of fun to go to during Monarch butterfly festival. It was cool in the mornings so they were all hanging off the eucalyptus trees like leaves! The Begonia Festival was still going strong when we left, huge crowds, lots of arts and crafts. The local community college(forgot the name) had a farmers market every Sat. in thier parking lot during the harvest season. Got to know Peruvian Blue and Yukon Gold potatos, plus some rather esoteric Asian veggies. We grew the biggest zucchini and banana squash I have ever seen! The Thistle Hut was one of our favorite stands on the way to Monteray, strawberries, tomatos, artichokes, you know what I'm talking about! It was funny to see the left, right differences in the towns and country. After the '89 earthquake(which was centered in the Forest of the Nicean Marks) Watsonville police and firefighters were helping the store owners to salvage thier stock as much as possible. The Santa Cruz police and firefighters forbade and even arrested people for salvaging "anything" from thier homes or shops! The center of Santa Cruz was still a mess when we left in'95! You couldn't even park downtown because so much was cordoned off! Watsonville you could barely tell there had been an earthquake. Go figure!

the merry widow said...

Were you thinking of Portola? Seaside? Capitola-By-The-Sea? Capitola had a very extensive touristy shopping area that was heavily New Age and witchcraft. Santa Cruz had the area near the amusment park that had shops. Of course the pier was a big draw with all the sea lions roaring and stinking up the place.

Mr. Beamish the Instablepundit said...

Ducky claiming to use reason is like a coat rack claiming to be psychic. You'll never find an example of Ducky using reason to share with the class.

Anonymous said...

nanc,

You had hispanics? We had chicanos. LOL!

-FJ

Anonymous said...

I think it was Capitola (looked it up on Mapquest), but it might have been Portola. I simply remember that the town was on a relatively steep hill, and it was a "walk-down"... and I always thought it curious that people would want to sunbathe "nude" or "topless" in such a congested environment. You'd have thought they would have sought out a more "secluded" environment. I know it wasn't Santa Cruz...the roller coaster/ board walk has been there FOREVER.

Me, I almost always went to Sunset (and that was NOT a nude beach, LOL!). The $1 "parking fee" and limited access definitely kept out the riff-raff... and at that time, you almost had the entire beach to yourself (and it was a long-long beach w/ a power plant visible at the southern end.) It was also a great place for digging up large (5" or better) Pismo Clams at "low tide".... we used to "limit out" every time we went. It was a great place to go jogging as well, and if you really wanted to get away from people, there were lots of dunes to "hide-out" in and be left in relative "peace". The hang gliders used to launch themselves from the hills above the dunes there... and people with remote control sail planes used to fly them there... good "updrafts" coming off the ocean. No surfers either. Wooo-Hooo!

-FJ

Freedomnow said...

San Diego seems like a retirement community or Club Med resort to me, but its all relative to what you are used to.

Actually the neighborhood I grew up in was a picnic compared to the projects of Red Hook where my parents grew up.

But at least they "belonged" to the neighborhood. I can’t count the times I had someone say to me, "go home white boy" in my own neighborhood. Unfortunately, it didnt stop at verbal threats.

Being physically attacked by racists and having another racist try to stab me because of my skin color is bad enough, but to have an arrogant and privileged Liberal tell me that I don’t know what it is like to be a victim of racism is going too far.

Anonymous said...

Its' the same the world over freedomnow. My older brother and I were the only gringos in our neighborhood in the "California Norte" section of Caracas, Venezuela ('66-70) growing up. Fortunately, we attended a private "multi-national" school and so weren't forced to fight every day. Used to love the Carnival season there though... water balloon fights. Three gringos vs 30-40 Caraquenos... every balloon we threw wetted a "fresh" victim. LOL!

And jr. high/high school in San Jose, we were in the minority even back then in the 70's. It was about a 10-20-30-40 mix...we were the 30 w/ a "chicano" majority.

Liberals think whites "invented" racism and exclusion. They certainly love their "stereotypes".

-FJ

the merry widow said...

We went up to Half Moon Bay once, not many people there, buuuut you had to walk down a cut through the old landfill! It didn't smell, but you sure didn't like grabbing the sides to pull yourself up the trail!
Ano Nuevo was probably one of our favorite spots, you slogged through 2 1/2 miles of tall sand dunes to get to the elephant seals, but the trip back had wild raspberries growing along the trail! Worth the trip. There was an island offshore with a lighthouse that had been abandoned to the harbor seals. There was also an old restored whaling station there. Lots of stuff to see. The drive up the coast was spectacular. Hiking up the Big Sur river was beautiful. I remember the first time we did that, our daughter was less than a year old so she rode in a backpack. Kicked Ben's ribs all the way up and back!
In Santa Cruz there was a Portugese bakery that made a sour dough with rosemary, green olives and whole cloves of garlic, made the best grilled cheese sandwiches!
Our landlords at the time were very conservative! She was chair of the local Republican party(half Indian and handicapped) her vice chair was a black woman. They had a debate at UCSC with the local dems, the 2 dems were white males in suits, so when the Republicans show up the dean asked if they were the democrats reps. They said no, we're the Reps. those are the dems. The dean nearly fainted!

tmw

the merry widow said...

Beaker- Sorry I went so far afield, but really enjoying good and funny memories with Farmer John! But I can tell you that around '93-'95, I was getting nervous, 2 blocks from where we lived I saw a carload of chicanos flashing gang signs to young males on the sidewalks! With no car and my husband up in Scott's Valley and 2 small children it was a big concern!

tmw

Anonymous said...

Monotypes would be a better word for it. One-size fits all. And they say the cyclopes went extinct. LOL!

-FJ

Anonymous said...

tmw,

Don't get me started on sourdough. I used to eat at "Red's Java Hut" under the Oakland Bay Bridge (SF side) about every other week. Double cheesburger on a sour-dough roll, and a beer to wash it down, $2.00. What I deal. Talk about a dive!... but I can still taste the sour-dough. Mmmm. It must be lunch time... now I'm thinking about food. Later all! It has been fun.

-FJ

Freedomnow said...

FJ,

Latinos are huge bigots. My family was racist against everyone except for Puerto Ricans. Luckily, they seem to have dropped the racism thing in the last 20 years.

As a kid I hated white people and I would have given you a hard time. I have since learned what racism is like and I wouldnt wish it on anyone.

Regardless, Latinos are wonderful people just like everyone else because we are all human. In our multicultural society race is becoming less important. I identify my race as hispanic, but I prefer to think of myself as an American.

Anonymous said...

We're all bigots and racists, freedomnow. There are just too many ways to slice "us" and "them". To think that it's unique to one "group" or "another", be it race or nationality, is simply ludicrous. I've had Latinos give me a hard time, even fought them on the street, yet I can also say, some of my best friends at that same time were also Latinos.... and later, Phillipinos... Chinese... Japanese... you name it. And in the end, you're right, it's important for us all to remember that we are ALL Americans.... and also ALL human. This "holding a grudge" or pretending to "blame" others for some historical wrong has got to end at some point. We all need a good stiff drink from the cup of forgetfullness. There will come a time when all this "war on terror" anti-Arab sentiment will also come to an end, too. But to point to it and start saying "Aha! I knew you Americans were racists, all along!" kinda "gotcha" argumentation is really stupid. Ecclesiastes... a time for everything, under heaven.

-FJ

the merry widow said...

Freedomnow- A question? Was there a reason for the racism? and did living in the USA help your folks realize that Americans are Americans?
I had a roommate in college who's younger sister is really short, and strawberry blonde! Pale, well she had 2 black girlfriends in school who escorted her everywhere because she was an easy target. The 3 of them were best friends but at school they were called the Oreo cookie! But you are right, we are Americans and that is the crux of the matter!

tmw
P.S. Enjoy many of your comments, well thought out. Except when sparring with Nanc, then quick on your feet is better!
tmw

Anonymous said...

...and sorry if I offended you with my hispanic - chicano references. The kids in my neighborhood did NOT want to be labelled "Hispanic". Hispanic's were the jefes from the upper classes. My class-mates in San Jose made it very, very clear that they were "Chicano's" and they waited on nearly every utterance from Caesar Chavez and the latest juelga from the UFW with "baited breath." It was strictly a white t-shirt, jean, and cholo head-band kinda scene... with a parking lot full of low-riding Imapala's blasting "War" and "Carlos Santana"... not that we didn't have our own "dress code" complete with jacked-up Chevelle's blaring Led Zepplin.

-FJ

Anonymous said...

ps - When I lived in Venezuela, we used to fly a C-47 from Maiquetia to Ramey AFB in Puerto Rico about once a month for "supplies". I went on a few of those trips, but never felt like I was in the "states". I was a gringo there, too, and wouldn't have expected it to be "otherwise". Even if no harm is intended, one always feels somewhat "uncomfortable" outside their own local cultural "environment".

-FJ

Anonymous said...

Damn! Wish I would have owned one of those Chevelles. All I had was my Mom's cherry-red Ford "Pinto", with mag wheels and black "pin-striping". That almost sounds as pathetic as those stupid "polyester" shirts and pants we all wore during the "disco" seventies. You all remember how to dance the "Hustle"?

And on that note... Adios amigos!

Anonymous said...

Okay, one last note.

College dorms... make the kiddies feel comfortable... give 'em "comfortable" surroundings to make them feel more at home.

Or would it be better to throw them ALL into an "alien" environment, mix tham all together, add heat, and melt their wax in the old "melting pot"?

I wonder if there are any ex-DI's here with an opinion on THAT subject. ooops, I think I here taps sounding. Better get into my rack before the sergeant comes round for bed-check and I end up with another week of KP!

-FJ

Anonymous said...

They could think of it as a kind of cultural history lesson... of what it was like to be an American, serving their country during war, or in a time of crises, natural disaster, or urgent national need. Gee, when you put it that way, it almost sounds "noble", if not downright "Spartan".

-FJ

Freedomnow said...

Latinos have a lot of pride and there can even be friction between Puerto Ricans, Cubans and Dominicans, let alone other races. Intermarriage seems to have Americanized my family for the better.

Personally it was also shocking to visit Puerto Rico and be treated as a gringo. That really opened my eyes. One of the first things I remember is seeing graffiti saying, "Gringos Go Home". I wondered if that included me! To be fair I was treated well. Its just that there was always a tongue-in-cheek attitude because I was from the States.

FJ, to me Hispanic means any Latino and is as generic as the term White. Latino comes from Latin so what else is there? Mestizo? Indigneous?

Its just a label. Some people take their identity from a conformist-group perspective and take this way too seriously. I am an individual before even an American. I should be defined by who I am, not where I am or who I am related to. God damn sheep.

Anonymous said...

Amen bro.

-FJ

nanc said...

f.j. and fern - my parents dropped the racism thing when the baby girl of our family married a black man! actually, it took about 15 or so years for us to whip him into shape and now he's white. kind of like a reverse steve martin in "the jerk"! laaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaa

Anonymous said...

Intermarriage is defintely the way to seal the bonds and put an end to the stupidity. It won't completely solve the problem (there will always be hold-outs), but it'll go a long way towards reducing the resentment.

Montagues, Capulets...wedding in ten minutes... and no, Mercutio, you can NOT date Tybalt. There are some limits which no real man should ever cross, even in Verona.

-FJ

nanc said...

there is one thing i forgot to tell you. whenever we've all had the opportunity to be together for the fourth of july, my bro-in-law insists we have - tada - fried chicken, collard greens with fatwaback, AND watermelon - BUT - and that's a big BUTT - he fixes it all and we eat it, while he has bbq'd burgers or a steak! why, we ask? his reply, "i ain't eatin' that crap!" he doesn't like black folk food - can you believe that?

his family is from louisiana so i guess we aren't forced to eat alligator and poke salat - which btw i don't mind...

Warren said...

I want to comment on this and my own experiances but its off to work for a 12 or so hour day...

nanc said...

...and then my son said, "uncle george, i don't think i like "colored" greens."!!! i kid you not - only in my family.

Mr. Beamish the Instablepundit said...

Nanc, you done made me hongree.

Throw a slice or two o' bacon and a little bitta black-eyed peas in them there collard greens and make it righteous. You never know when God'll show up for dinner.

nanc said...

oh beamish - He eats with us at ever sangle meal!

Mr. Beamish the Instablepundit said...

He loves batter fried okra too. I mean, when He's away from Heaven bumming around on Earth He always gets fried okra. It's like manna you know.

My mom made me 5 pounds of fried okra to take as leftovers at Easter.

There was crumbs by Monday morning.

nanc said...

my mom-in-law makes the very best hot pickled okra on the face of this earth! when we lived in california we'd go raid their pantry when they'd be gone on long weekends honemooning...yeah, we'd take all the good home canned stuff and leave store bought stuff in its place hoping they'd not notice...