Thursday, April 27, 2006

Editorial whims

I seldom comment on the postings of another blog for whom I have great respect. AOW is a friend and an excellent writer for whom I have the utmost respect. Contrary to popular opinion I do not hate the Duck. He does tick me off when he veers into anti semitic lunacy such as idiotic comments accusing me of wanting to cover up the Ukrainian famine. Why a fervent anti communist like myself would cover up a commie crime boggles the mind. This is also more amusing because I do post on the subject for which my family has some personal history. The recent spate of dog eating jokes started with a quip about my family history durring the famine. Man's best friend became table food. My family also had to eat horse meat as well. This was not by choice but starvation forces one to deal with difficult circumstances.

I am mulling serializing the Black Book of Communism on this blog . I do not do this lightly but most of us are well versed in the era. I do know that a couple of you do have copies . Those of you that do have a copy should consider reading along.

The idiotic comments of John Brown and the mostly sane but wrong Duck will be batted
around quite easily. I would like the thoughts of the regular readers of this blog.
How many of you own this book ? It is a rather long book but there is a time and a place for everything.

68 comments:

Always On Watch said...

Beak,
Thank you for the compliment.

I don't own the book you mentioned.

beakerkin said...

It is a rather long book but I want to settle what the book says once and for all.

I am enjoying the current book but it was written from an earlier era where Schwartz like Radosh was far to the left. The important part of reading history from the robber barrons era is that there were genuine abuses. However many of the people who entered the fray were demogouges and Marxist thugs.
Schwartz is always entertaining even when I disagree with him

Jason_Pappas said...

I have vague recollections of Radosh as a leftist because when he was a professor Queensboro Community College, his name was listed on all the anti-war rally posters through out the City University. However, I mention this because I have a good friend who went to Queensboro at the same time I was at CCNY. He said the conservative and libertarian students had great respect for Radoch because he was respectful of all well-articulated opinion and he never propagandized in the classroom.

Being open-minded eventually led Radosh to the conservative side … just like, one day, Ducky will realize the error of his ways and become a Horowitz-type hyper-conservative.

John Brown said...

Hey Toady,

AoW looks like he's gone the way of CENSORMAN.

So you're next. Censor away.

John Brown said...

I say print the book. I own it, I've read it, and I say thath it's hardly distinguishable from the Nazi propaganda you and your little buddies regularaly post.

While you're at it, why don't you post some Mussolini, Ayn Rand... or Mein Kampf?

I think you should reprint the sections of Mein Kampf where Hitler talks about
modeling his Propaganda on Uncle Sam's World War I propaganda?

For someone who worships the at the feet of National Socialism, I can think of nothing better for you to reproduce.

beakerkin said...

Jason

I have read most of Radosh and he is a great writer. Stephen Schwartz views Radosh as a mentor.


John

Stay on topic and relevant because I have next to zero patience for your brand of BS. We will be serializing the Black Book of Communism in a week or so . You might learn something but I seriously doubt it.

I have patience for the Duck as he shows some intellect and is mostly on topic.

beakerkin said...

JB

Good then as we go chapter by chapter you can read along and demonstrate your lack of intellect.
Get your copy ready and we will end the game of what the book says or does not say once and for all.

John Brown said...

Beak,

I'll stay on topic until you stray into personal attacks against me, as fascists are wont to do.

Then I'll respond and you'll censor me.

That's how these things go, since you're a chickenhawk and a glass-jaw bully.

Mr. Ducky said...

No I don't think so Jason. It's odd that you bring up intellectual honesty under a post in which Beak is touting The Black Book.

It's known outside of the rabid right that the Solzhenytsin figures used in the book are nonse. There has been little discussion about the actual criminal population on the Gulag. They were not all political prisoners, far from it.

No discussion of why The Balck Book takes the very top number in all cases to come up with its bloated sum.

The far right has no interest in legitimate scholarship. Myself, I think you and Beak for instance are pigs because you go off lemming like with anything that can give you a talking point. Anyone who stands up for clear minded scholarship is dismissed as a Communist sympathiser.

Using the Gulag dead as a pawn in your little game is disgusting but both you and Beak seem incapable of learning and make a mockery of any discussion of true exchange of opinion.

beakerkin said...

JB

Mildly amusing but Chickenhawk hardly applies in my case.

Ducky any coherent discussion of Communism starts with Gulags and Killing Fields and Mao's butchery.

Marx is a failed philosopher and his acolytes record of democide and sedition are facts not opinions. Marx has zero currency and my personal opinion is that Marxist have no place in Higher Ed or America. Shall we teach the earth is flat for an encore or have KKK nuts teaching Black studies next ?

John Brown said...

Stay on topic, Beak. We're talking about the propaganda value of the black book, here. Nobody said anything about Marx.

Or are we now allowed to speak about Marx since you violated your own rule just about 1 hour after you made it up?

Mr. Ducky said...

Actually Beak, a coherent discussion would probably start much earlier than the Gulag.

The Khemer Rouge were highly nationalistic so they weren't Marxists. Right? Of course you don't have any notion what I'm saying.

Again, Marx's analysis of capitalism was excellent. It is respected by many, many qualified economists and should be in economics classes.

I suspect you would prefer to take the Jason pappas road and pretend that we haven't learned anything about capitalism since 1880. You two are the close minded fools, not I.

Mr. Ducky said...

Although I think I am beginning to understand in your case, Beak. You feel that a rejection of laissez-faire capitalism automatically leads to an embrace of communism. I think that's it.

Your mind has this strange inability to hold anything but the extremes. You absolutely can't see the middle. Odd, but you just can't do it.

beakerkin said...

Ducky

We will save the Khmer Rouge talk until the chapter comes up. If you don't have a copy try ask a Conservative to borrow his dog eared copy. Read along and you might learn something and you can post your version.

Jason_Pappas said...

“The far right has no interest in legitimate scholarship.”

Far right? I’m not quite sure what constitutes the far right. There is questionable scholarship in some quarters. I can think of a few authors off the top of my head like Thomas Woods, Rodney Start, Lew Rockwell, M. Stanton Evans, and those who attack Darwin as the cause of the West's downfall. I’ve talked about those who go off the deep end at times. So I’m not afraid to disagree with others on the right and neither is Beak. Nor is Beamish.

“Myself, I think you and Beak for instance are pigs because you go off lemming-like with anything that can give you a talking point.”

Nah, it’s the left that doesn’t respect individuality and toes the party line. You’ve seen different viewpoints among us but the left, in its hatred for our tradition, has a monotone cynical and strident blind opposition to our policies. It’s not people on the right that blindly follows (I and every other right-winger on this board could write a long list of things we’d like to change) but the left that toes the PC line.

“Anyone who stands up for clear minded scholarship is dismissed as a Communist sympathizer.”

C’mon. There is very little “clear minded scholarship” in the politically charged atmosphere in today’s university. By the way, Zinn and Chomsky isn’t “clear minded scholarship.” And anyone who has a soft spot for Stalin is a Communist sympathizer.

beakerkin said...

Duck

You have the wrong person I am not a Liberterian. I am a diffrent breed of antiCommunist. I am the rare anti Communist liberal. Rudy Republicans were Scoop Jackson Dems in another era. I do not parse words with Commies nor do I wish to work with them. The proper place for Commies is a museum alongside other failed notions and next to the dog faced boy.

John Brown said...

JP,

Yeah, nothing demonstrates individuality of thought than believing every word that President 32%, MafiaDon Rumsfeld, and Sambo Rice say as they lead you like lambs to slaughter.

That any pathetic sheep can, with a straight face, support the liars and propagandists who took your little Jackbooted GI Joes into Iraq while castigating people for not being individual enough... well, you just watch too much CNN and FoxNews.

I guess Winston Churchill was a Commie dupe. Idiot.

John Brown said...

Again, Beak... way off topic.

But, while you're pulling your little Bircher routine, remember that the Capitalist enterprise you support brought us a massive ethnic cleansing campaign, chattel slavery, colonialism, and a savage, brutal empire.

Jason_Pappas said...

That’s my point, Beak. Ducky can’t tell the difference between us. I’m more of a libertarian although I’m not dogmatic about it as those with a capital “L.” It’s the direction we should more. There’s room for debate on the right but the left thinks in a binary “it’s black or it’s white” without seeing the nuances in between.

Jason_Pappas said...

JB, you have no idea of when I agree or disagree with the current administration.

John Brown said...

Hillary Clinton is also an anti-Communist liberal, Toady. So is Ted Kennedy.

Will you be voting for them?

John Brown said...

Ok, do you support the occupation of Iraq?

Jason_Pappas said...

I’m not for nations-building ... never was.

John Brown said...

Hey,

Sambo Warren the Injun Killer is censoring my posts over at alwaysonwatch.blogspot.com.

Just to let you know, Beak: that's why I'm here.

John Brown said...

So you're for immediate withdrawal of Uncle Sam's military whereever they are stationed in the world?

Mr. Ducky said...

Jason, I know you're a libertarian (big l, small l, who cares). As I say, The People of the Do Not Disturb Sign.

You are a representative of extremes.

Belief that markets are virtually perfect.

Blanket condemnation of all muslims.You make a good little Kahanist.

I got a kick out of your belief that the first World War wasn't caused by the breakdown of pure capatilism. You were nonplussed and replied that pre WW I germany was a welfare state.

You are another who wants to live on the extremes. Fine, but don't be surprised when only the truly loony join you out there.

Jason_Pappas said...

I’m not for the immediate doing of anything. Even when I said above that I was a libertarian, I’m not for the immediate ending of government’s vast endeavors. There’s a legacy that one has to deal with and change must be gradual.

But that said, I can think of removing our troops from half the locations can be achieved with planning. For example, we can leave Haiti, Kosovo, Liberia, and Columbia almost immediately. I think with a different battle plan we would have been out of Iraq by now but that’s another story.

Thus, I obviously don't live on the extremes that Ducky just mentioned. There's a difference between analysis and policy recommendations. Something I'd think Ducky would realize as he keeps trying to tell us to make this distinction with respect to Marx.

beakerkin said...

Brown

You will find yourself censored here if you continue to use racial epithets Warren , Beamish and Nanc are all part Native American. I also object to racial slurs and do not use them.

I am aware of the situation at AOW
but I will censor racial slurs. I do not use profanity either.

Hillary Clinton and Ted Kennedy are not anti Communists. I prefer to arm Conta groups and place the followers of Marx in body bags. I do not work with them or make deals. Communism is a genocidal philosophy enimical to humanity itself. I treat Commies along the same lines as Nazis and racial power kooks.

I am not a libertarian or a follower of Rand in any description. However, I do admire the way they strike fear into the hearts of Marxists.

John Brown said...

Jason:

If you're for occupying Iraq, you're for occupying Iraq. Is John Kerry your mentor?

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Toady:

Any Native American who, in complete ignorance of his own history joins the very military that exterminated his people, then he is a Sambo... just like Sambo Colin.

Such is the case with Sambo Warren the Injun Killer. 'nanc' is just a shit-poster. And CENSORMAN has no name other than CENSORMAN.

If calling things by their proper name results in you wielding the censor's pen like your little friends, so be it.

John Brown said...

Jason,

Are you for the immediate cessation of the $3,000,000,000 in aid Uncle Sam gives every year to Apartheid Israel?

Jason_Pappas said...

I’m for ending the $3 billion we give to Arab regimes ($2 billion to Egypt and roughly another $1 billion to other sundry regimes including Palestinians.) Like I said, I’m for gradual change and in accord with priorities.

John Brown said...

So you support the bankrolling of Apartheid Israel's military?

What about Colombia? Do you favor giving the billions Uncle Sam gives each year to the drug-running government of Uribe?

Jason_Pappas said...

I’m not for the drug war nor do I believe we need to worry about South American politics now that the USSR has fallen but we’re getting off topic. My point is that almost every person “on the right” that posts here and AOW’s blog has vastly divergent views on many issues. And we often don’t agree with the current administration in one area or another. Maybe that’s why Ducky likes to hang around … we aren’t mono-line illiterate or dogmatic. C’mon, Ducky, tell the truth!

John Brown said...

Sorry for going off topic. I was just trying to nail down what you really meant when you half called yourself a libertarian.

Mr. Ducky said...

Different battle plan. Okay, our own little Sun Tzu let's hear it.

Mr. Ducky said...

Jason wants to end the payments to Arab regimes but he doesn't mention cutting of israel's welfare checks. Why?

beakerkin said...

Ducky unlike the Arab states Israel is an ally. The amount of corruption in Israel's foriegn aid is far less as well.

Final warning Brown I do not tolerate racial slurs of any type.
This is not negotiable you can insult me all you like but Sambo and Indian Killer will be baned. This is a fairly reasonable request.

John Brown said...

Toady:

As long as murdering Palestinian children and building an apartheid wall isn't 'corrupt,' you're spot on. Personally, I think the vile depravity of supporting Apartheid and ethnic cleansing would be enough to oppose bankrolling the theft of Palestinian land.

But then again, Ronnie the Crip's administration partied with South Africa.

Until Sambo Warren the Injun Killer himself makes an appearance with his little Freudian complex, I'm down with your request. And, just to please you, it's Colin Cancer from now on.

beakerkin said...

JB

You understand my point leave it there. I do not tolerate racial slurs of any kind. I also do not tolerate gay slurs either in case you are wondering.

I will do the demographic of Israel and its real aparthied states next door at another time.

American Crusader said...

Although many like John Brown are most likely products of higher education, I refer to them as intellectual morons. They can spout leftist doctrine until eternity but still miss the point.

American Crusader said...

"Jason wants to end the payments to Arab regimes but he doesn't mention cutting of israel's welfare checks. Why?"

that may be because Israel isn't threatening to wipe countries off the map. Or maybe because Israel is willing to talk peace even with Hamas while at the same time Hamas threatens Israel's existence.
Iran, Saudi Arabia and the rest of OPEC can pick up supporting these Arab régimes.. But they won't, because they prefer the political instability they generate in the region.

beakerkin said...

AC

That is the title Daniel Flynn gives them. I do not mind his personal insults. However I will never allow racial slurs. Sadly, it is revealing that a far left type would resort to this. I will have to do another Uraban Red Redneck post. Ducky's Kahanist bit comes fairly close along with Likudnick. Interestingly, I seldom post on Israel at all as my bit is kicking Commie tail and book serializations and interviews. This shows the true nature of the far left.

Mr. Ducky said...

American Crusader, is Egypt threatening to wipe out anybody? Seems they are the hittee these days.

As I say, muslims have been the overwhelming victims of muslim extremists.

Again, is there any reason we shouldn't cut of the Israeli welfare checks? When do we tell them enough is enough?

Is Hamas going to wipe Israel off the map with a few of those home made missiles they're launching from Gaza which haven't caused a casualty in years? Seems that when Israel can reply with daily artillery barrages there isn't much chance of them dissapearing..but let them fund their own ammunition.

John Brown said...

Abbas just proposed peace negotiations, which Apartheid Israel promptly denied. And Hamas promised a long time truce if Apartheid Israel retreats to the green line rather than stealing more Palestinian land.

So sorry, Crusader... you're full of it.

John Brown said...

And also, Crusader, Apartheid Israel is the only place I hear constantly talking launching a sneak attack on Iran. Hell, little fascist politicos like Livni and Mofaz have made those type of announcements every week.

But I realize it's too much to assume that little Likudniks will remove their faces from Sharon's groin long enough to read Apartheid Israel's own press.

John Brown said...

And one more thing: Venezuela is in OPEC, too. They and Iran form a block there just as strong as Sam's biggest ally, Saudi Arabia.

And you can bet when the Zionist sneak attack on Iran occurs, Chavez won't take it lying down.

beakerkin said...

Here we go again, the Duck calls Israeli foreign aid welfare. However if a Conservative would call aid to Zimbabwe welfare that would be racist. Moreover, the far left only seems concerned with aid going to an ally that does not have the history of corruption of foreign aid.

This is more anti Semitism on the part of the far left. Israel is held to high standards and Arabs are held to none.

I hope Chavez does give us the excuse to invade and eliminate him.
If he keeps on arming Columbian guerilas I am in favor of military srike aimed at Chavez personally.

Mr. Ducky said...

Beak, beak, beak .... we don't send any aid to Zimbabwe. The overwhelming portion of our foreign aid goes in the form of welfare checks to Israel.

Now if you can give me a reasoned explanation why we should funnel so much of our very limited foreign aid to a country with a first world standard of living, please proceed. I want to hear it.

beakerkin said...

Ducky

We do give humanitarian aid to Zimbabwe. The point was if I had made a similar point about any corrupt regime in Africa you would scream.

There is no large scale coruption in Israeli aid. The fact that you point to the worlds only Jewish state is fairly obvious.

It is much better for aid to go to a reliable ally then corrupt third world nations. Then again with you and Brown it always boils down to Jews.

John Brown said...

Of course, the Zimbabwean "aid" Uncle Sam gives is to the election-fixers at the NED. The bulk of their aid, though, comes from the British. After all, it was the Nazi forerunner, Cecil Rhodes, who founded the apartheid colony.

kevin said...

Go ahead and do the Black Book Beak, and be sure to add your own commentary. I haven't read it myself and my interest is peaked.

John Brown said...

Beak,

So you're OK with the little Zionist settler colony killing 4x as many Palestinians?

And you're ok with the blatant land theft?

And you're ok with the assassinations?

And you're ok with the Apartheid Wall?

Yet you accuse me of being anti-Semitic? Ok... so did you know that the Palestinians (yes, they really do exist) are Semitic, too?

So perhaps, in wishing that they all die, it's you who is the anti-Semite?

kevin said...

Mr. Ducky said...

""Jason wants to end the payments to Arab regimes but he doesn't mention cutting of israel's welfare checks. Why? ""

Because we're the Great Satan, the Second Israel. It's all part of the WORLDWIDE ZIONIST CONSPIRACY.

the merry widow said...

All true arabs are decendents of Shem. Oh, excuse me there I go again, thumping away! To bad, so sad!

tmw

nanc said...

if j. bargholz comes looking for me - tell him i did e-mail him.

kev - i'm part of the zionist conspiracy - i admit it and there's not a darned thing anybody can do about it.

John Brown said...

By 'Zionist' conspiracy, Shitposter, do you mean the 'Murder Palestinians & Steal Their Land' Conspiracy?

John Brown said...

Or do you mean Tom DeLay's "Holy Pat Robertson, the Rapture is Upon Us... Convert All Jews to Christianity" Conspiracy?

beakerkin said...

JB

The Jews are the indigenous people of Israel and you can read all about land theft if and when you decide to pick up a book on Muslim history. I am in favor of the wall
as the Arabs have shown zero ability or restraint.

If you want to see a proper response to terrorism the Russians remodled Grozny for far less then what the Israelis put up with.

The amazing part is that I seldom post on the subject unless an antisemitic oaf like yourself or Ducky brings it up. This blog is mostly an anti comunist and book oriented blog .

I will be finishing the current book and you will have plenty to explain real soon.To quote your own lingo Commies look real good next to "Head Coffins".

Killing terrorists and Communist is not assasination it is pest control.

Warren said...

John Brown said:

"Sambo Warren the Injun Killer is censoring my posts over at alwaysonwatch.blogspot.com."

Cry me a river! LOL


"Any Native American who, in complete ignorance of his own history joins the very military that exterminated his people, then he is a Sambo... just like Sambo Colin.

Such is the case with Sambo Warren the Injun Killer. 'nanc' is just a shit-poster. And CENSORMAN has no name other than CENSORMAN.

If calling things by their proper name results in you wielding the censor's pen like your little friends, so be it."


Oh please, this is just too rich!

Don't you have even the foggiest notion of how stupid you sound?

Yea, some corn fed white boy knows all about injuns!

My ancestors were murdering each other and fighting wars long before any white European stepped foot on this continent. Why do you think the Mississippi mound builders disappeared, why do you think the Sioux and Cheyenne were on the plains? Indians were taking slaves way before there was ever a black face in the new world!

Ever hear of warrior culture? Did you realize that American Indians represent a disproportionate number of Medal of Honor recipients.

And tell me oh great savior of the "oppressed", why should I pay any attention to what you have to say when its the exact same thing you can hear over at Storm Front from the other bunch of corn fed white boys?

Marxism is your religion and you are looking for converts, just like Anum, just like any microcephlic bible thumping KKK member.

If you find what your ancestors did to be so repugnant, get the hell out of my country! Kill yourself and fertilize the ground. That's when you and your ilk will reach their finest hour!

nanc said...

beak - response to your post at madze's - i never doubted that you would fight - you're a warrior.

yo, dogeater - i left a very recent post at your blog - >^,,^< mew...

nanc said...

oh brownieboy - i risk being banned - please forgive me all, but brownieboy's hiney's talkin' crap behind his back again:

http://www.jonlocker.100megsdns.com/jon/poop29.jpg

i'll miss you all - it's been fun - my days won't be the same without you all - au revoir - adieu - tata - until we meet again - sorry beak, such a tasteful site and brownie's gone and soiled himself AGAIN - now if he'd just quit posting the photos of it at google! i'm putting myself on time out now...

nanc said...

p.s. and to be on topic - i don't own the book either. i don't want to be banned for being OFF topic!

MissingLink said...

I don't own it Beak.

Mr. Beamish the Instablepundit said...

LoBrow,

What happens when you're done with your marathon of masturbatory vendettas against bloggers you secretly admire?

Is being widely known as a complete and utter moron really worth the trouble you're putting yourself through?

Mr. Beamish the Instablepundit said...

Beak,

I don't own the Black Book but I've read exerpts from it.

I'm of the opinion that there should be a "Black Book of Leftism, for a more clear perspective of the horrors unleashed by leftists throughout history including those of the leftist Nazi Germany.

the merry widow said...

Don't own the book either Beak!
Nanc, Hope you're not banned, I would miss you! 'sniff'
Warren- I can't claim any indian blood, but Highlander Scots and Welsh, with a little German and Dutch will have to do! The first 2 should be enough!
Beamish and Nanc in '08, AoW for Sec. of Ed!
Let the sedition trials begin!

tmw

Mr. Beamish the Instablepundit said...

TMW,

AOW will be the Secretary of Homeland Education in my administration, which will move swiftly to merge the Department of Education into the Defense Department. Her duties will include performing comprehensive scholastic and competency testing on every student in America and making sure dunce caps are in every classroom and used correctly.

Nanc as my running mate.... hmmmm.

::gears turning::

Warren said...

TMW, I doubt that there's a Cherokee alive without at least touch of Scot or Irish ancestory! If you look in the Cherokee NC phone book you will se a lot more Scott/Irish names than Mankiller's or Greencorn's

Most are Southern Baptist.

I usually don't identify myself as Indian unless some dimwit starts spouting nonsense.

I think of myself as Warren, an American and damned proud of it!