Tuesday, February 20, 2007

Hillary, Rudy and the blogosphere and you

Hillary Clinton is attempting the Clinton polka runleft in the democratic primary,
then try to capture the center and govern from the left. The question of what has she done in the senate is never answered. Any comparison to Chuck Schumer shows she has done nothing for the people of NY State.

The problem with Hillary is she has been reading the NYT,the Daily Kos and the DC cocktail circut. She is out of touch with the American people and can not present herself as one of us. Bill Clinton could pull off this act, but he really was a trailer park kid who went to Yale and smoked pot at Oxford. The views of the Kos and the NYT reflect a hard left elite but catering to them in general elections is political suicide as comwad Ned Lamont had done. Even Col Bernie Sanders of BSC toned down the obnoxious far left stuff in the primary. He mentioned gas prices and dairy farms in his advertisements.

Blogs in general are not written by moderates. Moderates do not tend to blog as much
but we are out here. Winning national elections becomes who can capture the middle.
The opinions of people in bowling alleys, Walmart Parking lots and PTA's become more relevant than unhinged Kossaks.

Hillary is going to have a hard time capturing the center from Rudy. Rudy also cleverly distanced himself from the Bush adminstration. He was offered jobs and turned them down. Hillary may scream at the top of her lungs, but Rudy owns the center. He is allready a proven leader and talking about Bernie Kerik with Travelgate, cattle futures, selling pardons and shady book deals is not going to cut it. Nor is talk about Rudy's divorces going to gain much traction. Judy Nathan has a
huge potential to have Laura Bush star power. Unlike Hillary she has been divorced and worked real jobs. Her down to earth qualities will help in some areas.

Rudy's choice of VP will go along way to deciding the election. George Allen would have been a good choice, had he not lost the election. A conservative Govenor in the South not named Bush would be ideal.

I still am of the opinion that there will be a Hillary Clinton meltdown. Her every move is choreographed and sooner or later the lamp throwing, foul mouthed antisemitic
harpy will be shown. Why her opponents have shied away from questions of Cattle futures and selling of pardons via Hugh Rodham is unknown. The truth is Obama and Edwards may be holding out for VP. They do not want to win this badly enough to take the fight to Hillary.

Beamish in 08

39 comments:

Resilient Hawk said...

"The truth is Obama and Edwards may be holding out for VP."

This may be true. I can see it. However, with Edwards, he let his non-moderate bloggers in the door and they have fouled the air with anti-religiosity. Whether Edwards feels that way or not hardly matters. He might offer that safe suburban appearance that will appeal to some moderates.

With Obama, qualified or not, being a VP to Hillary might become racially- and gender-charged. This is before their issues are, well, an issue.

The Democrats are positioned to win if they can work together. They lost in 2004 because of lack of unity. In 2008, the victory should be easier, but the unity seems unlikely.

Hillary Clinton for President

beakerkin said...

Resilient Hawk

Obama is more qualified to run for President than Hillary Clinton. This is not an endorsement of Obama
but what has Hillary done for NY State. Would you like to compare her record to that of Charles Schumer.

Steven Brill who is no right winger describes Schumer's tireless
efforts after 9-11 when HC was being booed by firemen and looking for photo ops. I still have not figured out how the vast right wing conspiracy put the stain on the dress with Bill's DNA. I am at a loss how Hugh Rodham clients end up with pardons. The famous Israel asked me to pardon Marc Rich is another incoherent story. Then there is pardoning FALN terrorists
and the odd New Square Saga.

Unlike many in the blogosphere I am a NYer and am familiar with Hilary's blunders. The Chelsea was joging infront of the WTC story would be funny except she was on Park Avenue South not far from where I was and land lines were never impacted.

John Edwards is a lightweight and Obama is flavor of the month just like Wesley Clark. The more you see
the further he drops. Where Gov Richardson is might be the new where's Waldo.

What has Hillary done on her own that you view as President material? The accomplishments of Bill Clinton in spite of her bumbling do not count.

Mr. Beamish the Kakistocrat said...

I have to say that anyone, Democrat or Republican, that has tossed or will toss their hat in the ring for President before late September 2007 is not a serious candidate for President. At least, I can't take them seriously.

Like it or not, the foreign and domestic conditions that the 2008 candidates will be running upon (or against) will be set by Bush and the current schizophrenic Congress.

By the time the 2008 election rolls around, we may be assholes and elbows deep in a airstrike vs. ballistic missile war in Iran. Or just finished with one.

None of the proposing candidates, on either side of the great Demopublican / Republicrat divide really know what they want or what they'll do when they sit down in the Oval Office in 2009. It's all street theater at this point, and not very good street theater at that.

That Britney Spears isn't quite old enough to run is no reason to vote for any of the boobs that have annouced so far just because they almost have her qualifications.

Resilient Hawk said...

Whether Hillary is presidential material interests me even though I do not think she is what the country needs. The odds of her becoming president seem slim. Her missteps have equalled or surpassed her good ones. The sum of who she is will not be what America wants or needs in 2008.

She comes along at a time when the Democrats need a scandal-free leader with experience who is seen nonpolarizing.

Unfortunately for the Democrats, Hillary will draw lots of interest, and lose. If she makes it out of the primaries -- and I think she will -- she'll lose in November. The thing thrusting her into the spotlight will be the thing taking her down.

I expect her primary victory to be a record breaking landslide, especially after the second-rate candidates (Edwards, etc.) drop out in her favor. They will try to join the Hillary bandwagon, to become part of as massive Elect Hillary effort.

With so much antiBush campaigned by Democrats the last couple years, they have created a strong chance to beat whatever the Republicans throw at the election. Hillary

Obama might be scandal-free (seems he is as clean as a whistle), but will not be connected enough internationally to move an agenda. I think he is more than the flavor of the month, but is too fresh to establish a strong enough base. In Illinois (where I live), he's huge, but mostly because we have no one else. He won the election because no one ran against him, not because his issues were the ones we wanted. He has soft-pedalled the hard issues, and has yet to make it easy for anyone to answer, "What make Obama unique as issues go?" Instead, there are replies like, "Wow, what a speaker!" Lots of fluff, not enough stuff. He'll come around with substance, but not until the next election.

I think he will be president eventually, presuming he stays on course. Hillary's course will be as Ted Kennedy's course has been: lots of influence, lots of power, but never a president.

So why then a Hillary Clinton for President blog? It looks at her campaign, but is not necessarily in support of it. There's no ignoring her machine, and its impact on the election. She has money, she's smart, she's known, and she has support. That forces every candidate, pick your party, to make decisions accordingly. I'm trying to semi-objectively look at all of that, with her campaign as a sort of pivot as opposed to my personal position.

beakerkin said...

In any examination there is no case to vote for Hillary vs Rudy. Hillary is more apt to misfunction than to be elected President. My guess is Hugh Rodham will torpedo
Hillary's campaign.

Mr. Ducky said...

Speaking of the Times, Beak. Check this out in today's edition.
----------------------
Rep. Ben Bridges (R-GA)

In a memo sent to lawmakers in California and Texas:

“Indisputable evidence - long hidden but now available to everyone - demonstrates conclusively that so-called ’secular evolution science’ is the Big Bang, 15-billion-year, alternate ‘creation scenario’ of the Pharisee Religion,” the memo said. “This scenario is derived concept-for-concept from Rabbinic writings in the mystic ‘holy book’ Kabbala dating back at least two millennia.”
-----------------------

Those are the wingnuts that "Struttin' with my chippy" Giuliani is going to have to attract. They'll stay home and Rudi will get the shit beaten out of him in the middle.

beakerkin said...

Ducky

Have you been smoking cheap pot again. This antisemitic diatribe is incoherent.

Rudy owns the middle.

Farmer John said...

Heck... and I thought The Big Bang was straight out of Hesiod's "Theogeny"...whoda thunk Hesiod had ripped it off from the Kabbala...

beakerkin said...

FJ

I am going to have to do some research as to when the Kabalah was formally written in its current form. The study of Kaballah was restricted to men over 40 who had read the entire Babylonial talmud.

Always On Watch Two said...

I still am of the opinion that there will be a Hillary Clinton meltdown.

My best friend has followed politics for years, whereas I haven't. She's convinced that Hillary is too "toxic" to lead the Dem ticket in 2008.

Remember this posting at my blog about a month ago: "A Few Questions for Hillary"?

beakerkin said...

Hillary will win the Democratic nomination by default. The other candidates do not want it bad enough to come out swinging. I am convinced Obama and Edwards are angling for a VP slot.

Hillary is too choreographed and will have a meltdown. My guess is it will be over Hugh Rodham.

uptownseteve said...

Whaddup Beak!

I know you are a Rudy groupie.

Now just how is Rudy going to sell his pro-abortion, pro gay union record to the rightwingers.

Let's forget about his two divorces and briging his mistress into Gracie Mansion while he was still married.

It'll also be nice if somebody can explain in detail what Rudy did in the aftermath of the 9/11 attacks that was so heroic and extrordinary.

We already know that guys like you love Giuliani for his race-baiting but that won't be enough to win the nomination.

I'm all ears beak.

tee hee

kuhnkat said...

What do you mean Shrillary never held a job!!! She held several down on her knees for Hard Left Commie Evangelists!!

HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA

beakerkin said...

Lets see Uptown would you like to compare his record with the Mayor of New Orleans or perhaps the mayor that droped a bomb on Mummia's pals at Move.

Divorce is not a big deal. Nobody has accused Rudy of rape or sexual harassment. Nor was Rudy accused of selling pardons or cattle futures.

As far as abortion this is one of many issues. It is about vision and leadership two qualities that have never been used to describe Hillary Clintoon who has never run anything nor done a thing in the Senate. Hillary Clinton gives mediocrity a bad name.

Mr. Beamish the Kakistocrat said...

Will Guiliani drop a bomb on Mecca during his inauguration party, for fun?

Beamish will.

Vote Beamish, or don't vote at all.

uptownseteve said...

"Lets see Uptown would you like to compare his record with the Mayor of New Orleans or perhaps the mayor that droped a bomb on Mummia's pals at Move."

What do Nagin or Goode have to do with this discussion?

Are either of them running for President?

Oh I forgot, they're black and so am I so that must be the relevance.

BTW Nagin was a Republican until he ran for Mayor of NO.

And you still can't tell me just what Giuliani did during the 9/11 aftermath that was so special and heroic.

Don't worry beak.

Nobody can because he didn't do $hit.

beakerkin said...

Lets see Rudy's leadership and organization was hailed around the world. The fact that Mayor Nagin did a dreadful job is well known.
He does not belong in the same sentence with Guiliani, Bloomburg or Shundler.

Were there any three day riots or pink couches on his watch? The city disagreed with your assessment of Dinkins. Even with Bill Clinton playing the race card
he lost.

uptownseteve said...

beaker

Are you on the pipe?

I didn't mention anything about Dinkins.

And although Giuliani has been hailed around the world, it's all an illusion.

I notice that you STILL can't tell me exactly what the hell he did that was so wonderful.

It's HILARIOUS!!!!!

beakerkin said...

Actually you are Hilarious.

The entire world has it wrong except for Uptown. I am sure there are many of your kind in facilities thinking they are Teddy Roosevelt or in your case Rerun.

uptownseteve said...

beak,

Please tell me what Giuliani did?

please?

tee hee

beakerkin said...

Is tee hee the noise that you make before your meds set in?

The entire world praised Ruddy's leadership and organization skills including Chirac, Bill Clintoon and many on the left.

One does not measure leadership or the ability to promote able people.
However as David Dinkins learned from the Crown Heights riots and Mayor Noogin found out in NO the qualities prove self evident.

uptownseteve said...

Iguess he's not going to tell me.

beakerkin said...

I suggest you ask Andy Cuomo whose career tanked after he made a similar stupid remark. The entire world has it wrong except for you Mark Green and Andy Cuomo.

uptownseteve said...

He's still can't tell me.

And last I looked Cuomo was just elected NY Attorney General.

beakerkin said...

Yes that was part of the deal that the Clintons brokered when they stabbed him in the back and told him no to run against Carl McCall.
Andy had to set his sights way lower.

Uptown the whole world knows leadership and courage. You just never got over Dinkins loss. Dinkins was elected as a healer after Bensonhurst and he failed to deliver. He tried valiantly but appointed clowns like Laura Blackburne. His fate was sealed at Crown Heights when he failed to deliver, but he tried.

uptownseteve said...

Please stop this pathetic projection beaker.

I never liked Dinkins and knew he was too soft too be an effective mayor of NYC.

It was a catch 22.

If he was a strong bold black leader, he never would have won the election.

So instead Dinkins the milquetoast won, kissed white ass for four years and they hated him anyway.

People like you were traumatized that a black won the NYC mayoralty and you want to make sure that it never happens again.

So Dinkins is demonized and Giuliani is deified.

Still waiting on you to tell me what he did after 9/11 that was so wonderful.

And waiting.....and waiting.....

beakerkin said...

What is this nonsense with strong black leader? Dinkins tried to deliver but his appointments and the racial arsonists killed him.

For better or worse a person is judged by the person who was in the job before them. Dinkins as compared to Koch was a failure. Guliani was a huge sucsess compared to Dinkins. Bloomburg has done surprisingly well despite the transfat ban. That the way life goes Uptown.

Nobody was traumatized by race, Dinkins was elected as a "healer"
and did not deliver. Bill Clinton and Cuomo injected race into the campaign.

uptownseteve said...

"Dinkins as compared to Koch was a failure.'

You're nuts.

Koch was defeated after 3 terms because the city had descended into crack induced chaos and racial hostility under his watch.

You just couldn't bear the thought of a black man being the Mayor of NY.

beakerkin said...

He was re-elected three times with overwhelming majorities. You seem to forget Dinkins did not beat Koch by that much and did not deat Rudy by even less.

He got elected three times for a reason Uptown.

uptownseteve said...

Mario Cuomo and Marion Barry were elected 3 times for a reason as well.

Somehow I don't think you're gonna sing THEIR praises.

beakerkin said...

Govenor Cuomo was a liberal but largely sucsessful govenor and does not belong in the same conversation with Barry or Nagin.

Barry and Nagin are failures and National jokes. Smoking Crack is not a good political move. Nor did Nagin aquit himself well in Katrina. In fairness to Nagin Rudy set the bar high.

uptownseteve said...

But what exactly did Giuliani do to set the bar so high beak?

You can't seem to tell me.

The WTC attacks, as horrific as they were, happened in a relatively small contained area.

And it was over within hours.

People didn't lose their homes.

The entire city didn't lose power and infrastructure.

Outside of the southern tip of Manhattan, there was no need for evacuation.

The City of New Orleans was flooded and largely destroyed.

The two situations are totally different and uncomparable.

And what about Bush's incompetence and failure during a domestic disaster?

Don't want to discuss that, do you?

Mr. Beamish the Kakistocrat said...

Uptownseteve,

New Orleans wasn't hit by Hurricane Katrina. The storm swept east and hit Biloxi and Gulfport Mississippi instead. Wiped most of Gulfport off the map. A day after the storm passed, New Orleans' levee system failed and the city flooded.

Now, the levee system failed because of budget shortcuts taken by a Democrat governor and a Democrat mayor, same as the day it happened. Bush and FEMA announced evacuation orders for New Orleans and southeastern Louisiana. But the Democrat governor and the Democrat mayor sat on their hands until well past the last minute.

The New Orleans Superdome and the convention center were pre-planned disaster relief sites under the responsibility of the mayor.

Neither had food, water, or medical supplies. Why is that?

Is it because President Bush should have known all along that Democrats are monumentally stupid and historically incompetent and gone in and taken over in Louisiana?

Why didn't Mississippi, Alabama, and Florida have trouble with local responses until federal reinforcement arrived?

New Orleans was ordered evacuated two days before the storm made landfall and 3 days before the levees broke.

Why were New Orleans school buses sitting under water? These could have been used to evacuate people when the order was given.

Why were New Orleans cops looting?

You can blame Bush honestly for quite a few things.

But the incompetence of Democrats in Louisiana - that's a party tradition that dates back to 1836.

uptownseteve said...

"Why didn't Mississippi, Alabama, and Florida have trouble with local responses until federal reinforcement arrived?"

They did have plenty of trouble and many people lost their homes and have been displaced.

"New Orleans was ordered evacuated two days before the storm made landfall and 3 days before the levees broke."

And the people with little money and no cars were supposed to get out how? And go where?

"Why were New Orleans cops looting?"

Right beaker.

How many cops were looting beaker?

Seriously. Do you even know?

I bet it wasn't more than 5.

uptownseteve said...

"The New Orleans Superdome and the convention center were pre-planned disaster relief sites under the responsibility of the mayor.

Neither had food, water, or medical supplies. Why is that?"

That is an outright lie beaker.

Mr. Beamish the Kakistocrat said...

Uptownseteve,

I have an aunt and a few cousins that lost their homes in Katrina when it obliterated Gulfport.

But the city officials of Gulfport had the people evacuated, as did many towns in the Biloxi MS / Mobile AL area. The police were patrolling for looters the entire time, and Mississippi and Alabama had disaster sites up and running 2 days before Katrina even hit.

Before FEMA got involved.

Louisiana did not.

That's the difference.

And the people with little money and no cars were supposed to get out how? And go where?

Get on one of Nagin's school buses before they're flooded out. Go to a state disaster relief site that has food, water, and medicine supplies on hand instead of waiting for a FEMA team.

You know, do what the smart Republicans in Mississippi and Alabama did when faced with the same disaster.

How many cops were looting? Enough to make the news. Take your pick. You want the story of New Orleans cops stealing Cadillac Escalades out of car dealership parking lots, or the video of two New Orleans cops jacking Wal-Mart?

It's apparent that, as usual, Uptownseteve doesn't know what he's talking about. Uppy is woefully unversed in the reality of Nagin's fuck up.

I'd almost think it was sad that he's this stupid, but then I remember, what leftist isn't stupid?

uptownseteve said...

beamish

The school buses were and are under the jurisdiction Orleans parish.

Nagin had no authority over them.

Read for yourself.

Fool.

"It is unclear whether Mayor Nagin knew these particular buses existed, since the Orleans Parish School Board is not under his jurisdiction and his office would not normally know the location of OPSB bus yards or be able to contact the drivers of those buses to place them into service. Normally it is the job of FEMA to coordinate between the various local jurisdictions such as the OPSB and the City of New Orleans in this case. That is, under the rules of prior hurricane responses, FEMA would ask all local jurisdictions for a list of resources under their control. Then FEMA would have taken a request from Nagin for buses, relayed it to the Orleans Parish School Board or other local jurisdictions which had buses, and at that point the OPSB would have provided the buses to Nagin. That coordination did not happen here, but it is unclear whether Nagin ever made such a request prior to the hurricane and after the hurricane they were underwater and useless."

New Orleans Times-Picayune

Mr. Beamish the Kakistocrat said...

That is, under the rules of prior hurricane responses, FEMA would ask all local jurisdictions for a list of resources under their control. Then FEMA would have taken a request from Nagin for buses, relayed it to the Orleans Parish School Board or other local jurisdictions which had buses, and at that point the OPSB would have provided the buses to Nagin. That coordination did not happen here, but it is unclear whether Nagin ever made such a request prior to the hurricane

That's charitable. It's "unclear" whether Nagin made a request for evacuation buses prior to the hurricane? But its an undeniable fact that Nagin ignored the federal evacuation orders given, and never set up a local disaster response command center until after FEMA arrived, asked him where it was, and got "a dizastah what huh?" for an answer.

FEMA was already deployed for a day in Mississippi and Alabama (where the hurricane actually disintegrated towns) and all the news headlines were sighs of relief that New Orleans was "spared"... fuck the people in Biloxi and Gulfport who's homes were erased from the earth by a tidal wave that swept inland over a mile, I guess) that after the storm made landfall and were working hand in hand with state and local officials and National Guard units when New Orleans' bargain basement levee broke the next day and flooded out the city.

Let's see:

1.) Assist people in areas surrounded by mud and debris that used to be their town immediately after a category 5 hurricane

2.) Run down to New Orleans to see if Nagin needs his binky

Somehow I believe #2 wasn't even #2.

Mr. Beamish the Kakistocrat said...

But seriously, does anybody really believe that the City of New Orleans proper has no buses in its own school district that Nagin does have jurisdiction over?

Somebody help me out here.

If leftists are capable of thinking, why is it that they don't want anyone to know?