Friday, July 17, 2009

Dicrimination felt by Muslims

Obana has mentioned that Muslims feel discriminated against in the USA. The message is true, but a large portion of the blame falls on Muslim leadership. Rather than stand up and say that terrorism is counterproductive and harms the image of Islam it sends a message that waffles.

Sadly what the Muslim American community needs most is a leader like Stephen Schwartz, but he is seldom seen and quoted as the media looks for the shrillest voice to give good copy.

What the Muslim community in America needs to help its own image is vision. Islam in America may be different from the European variants. The expectation that work is expected and that one is just another flavor of America may blunt the radicalism seen in Europe.

One day I would love to see Stephen Schwartz answer the serious question if far left paternalistic
social safety nets that keep people at subsistence levels creates a fertile environment for radicalism. Gainfully employed people have little time for utopian idiocy of all types. However, the 7/7 bombers did not fit that mold. The European culture of alienation vs the more open form of inclusion in the USA must be examined.

9 comments:

Always On Watch said...

Islam in America may be different from the European variants. The expectation that work is expected and that one is just another flavor of America may blunt the radicalism seen in Europe.

I wouldn't count on that. Too many imported Wahhabist imams keep coming in. The same happened in Europe.

Let's remember that Europe had Moslem immigrants and citizens for a long time before the trouble came. It looks as if the percentage of Moslems in a country has to reach a certain tipping point. We're not there. Yet.

Always On Watch said...

HERE are the stats for the second point I mentioned above.

Ducky's here said...

Beak, Betty Ann seems to think you're in the closet.

Any reaction?

Why do you still post at that zoo?

beamish said...

No accomodation to Muslim sensitivities until they let us hang a Pepsi-Cola billboard on the side of the Kabaa.

Always On Watch said...

Beamish,
Do you really think they'll even let the likes of you or me anywhere near that black idol they've got? **wink**

Always On Watch said...

Beamish,
A Black Jack ad would look good too.

The_Editrix said...

Islam in America may be different from the European variants. The expectation that work is expected and that one is just another flavor of America may blunt the radicalism seen in Europe.

I wouldn't count on that. Too many imported Wahhabist imams keep coming in. The same happened in Europe.

Let's remember that Europe had Moslem immigrants and citizens for a long time before the trouble came. It looks as if the percentage of Moslems in a country has to reach a certain tipping point. We're not there. Yet.


EXACTLY AOW!

Sadly what the Muslim American community needs most is a leader like Stephen Schwartz...

What the Muslim-American community REALLY needs is to get rid of that death-cult hell-bent on dominating the world.

Obana has mentioned that Muslims feel discriminated against in the USA.

Muslims and militant homosexuals follow exactly the same strategy. They will feel discriminated against until virtually everybody on earth will have submitted to their ways. It's not tolerance they want, not equality, it's submission. Mark my words. That your president peddles that crap is quite telling.

Stephen Schwartz said...

Stephen Schwartz comments, in reverse order. First, Beamish, as I and the Center for Islamic Pluralism have long exposed, the Saudis are actively engaged in the Manhattanization of Mecca, including surrounding the Ka'ba with high rises. Second, the Ka'ba is considered as bad as an idol by the hardest Wahhabis, so if you want to support them, it's on your conscience. They already dismantled and enlarged the Ka'ba and reassembled it using PVC. Third, do you represent the Coca Cola company? Who is "we?" Are there Coke banners hanging on the Western Wall in Jerusalem (no, there are not, I have been there.) Are there Coke banners on St. Peter's in Rome or Notre Dame?
Coca Cola, by the way, is considered halal for Muslims and is widely sold in Saudi, so you have nothing to worry about.

In response to the Beak's question, I was a critic of the overgrowth of the modern state, welfare dependency, etc. even before I broke with the radical left 25 years ago. That is why I support a bourgeois revolution in the Muslim world. Capitalism keeps people working and out of trouble. I have an article on this in this weekend's WEEKLY STANDARD, titled "Rebels With Cause." But we have to ask if the entrepreneurial classes have not been fatally weakened in recent decades by the state. That's a whole different story from that of radical Islam.

beakerkin said...

Mr Schwartz

I thank you for your response.

I do not know the situation and proximity of the luxury housing so it indeed may be in poor taste.

Employed people seriously tend to be happier.Oddly terrorism hurts the people it claims to help.Egypt is a great opportunity for manufacturing near Europe. However, those jobs will go to China because it is more stable and safe.

Of course the everybody loses with
terrorism bit misses the mark. The victims other than some Spaniards
tend to harden. It defames the religion worse than the worst Islamaphobe ever could. No doubt somewhere this conversation is taking place inside the Islamic community.