Tuesday, March 08, 2005

Gay rights Israel and Muslim Nations Compared

A recent visitor to this blog described himself as an openly proud homosexual. He was filled with invective and an illogical hatred for Jews which he couches in PC rhetoric. Good Jews are his European variety that agree with his view of the world. Bad Jews are the paranoid " American Jews "who disagree with him. He feels it is bigoted for me to sugest that people calling themselves Jews should be able to describe common cultural items. The only time a radical identifies himself as a Jew is when he is denouncing Israel. I have yet to encounter a radical who could identify common prayer items . Radicals are grievance parasites that flock from PC cause to the next PC cause. The fact that there are Jews like Noam Chomsky in the ranks of the radicals prove that radicals are more loyal to thier movements than their culture. In fact a Palestinian who behaved like Chomsky would be just another PA collaberator lynched. I do not hear Amnesty International crying about lynching in the PA. I also do not hear civil rights advocates complaining about use of the death penalty without a trial.
This information is from http://www.actwin.com/eatonohio/gay/worl.htm I will paraphrase and omit local ordinances
Israel homosexual activity is legal age of consent 16. No prosecution for satutory rape if the age falls within 3yrs. Gays serve in the military.There are antidiscrimination laws that affect some areas of employment. Foriegn partners of gay couples get residency rights in Israel. Civil Service extends spoucal benefits in pension to homosexual partners.

There is no listing for the PA I will post links to three stories that show Gays flee the PA to Israel for Safety. In short Being Gay in the PA is a quick way to become DOA.
Http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/middle_east/2826963.stm
http://www.gaymiddleeast.com/news/article9.htm
Http://www.sodomylaws.org/world/israel/isnews006.htm

Afghanistan (Taliban) Death penalty via thrown from a cliff or collapse of a brick wall/
Albania : No sodomy laws age of consent 18.
Algeria : 3 years and a fine
Azerbaijan: No sodomy laws
Bahrain: Up to 10 years jail with possible corporal punishment
Bangladesh:10 years in Jail possible deportation
Bosnia and Herzegovina Up to one year in jail 16 consent
Brunei: 10 years in Jail and a fine
Bulgaria: Age 18 consent . National Gay rights law
Egypt No specific law Immoral behavior punishable by 3 years
Indonesia: No sodomy laws age of consent 17
Iran: Death The meethod of execution is up to victim hanging ,stoning ,dropped from a cliff or cut halved by sword. This qualifies Iran as prochoice.
Iraq: No Sodomy Laws
Jordan : No sodomy Laws
Kuwait: Jail up to seven years
Lebanon: 1 year in jail
Lybia: 3 to 5 years in jail
Malaysia:Punishable by lashing and up to 20 years in jail. Homosexuals are not allowed on TV
Morroco:6month to three years in jail
Oman 3 years in jail
Quatar up to 5 years in jail
Saudi Arabia Death Penalty
Somalia : 3month to 3 years in jail
Syria: 3 years jail
Tunisia 3years in jail
Turkey: No sodomy laws. Gays banned from the military
Sudan: 100 lashes up to possible death penalty

It is clear that Israel is more tollerant than Muslim nations on this issue . The question is why a person who portrays himself as proudly gay would identify with a culture that oppresses his kind.
The fact is that Israel and the United States are held to impossibly high standards. The fact is that Israel is a tollerant society and one needs only to take a stroll to Freedom House and check the country indexes. There are two predictors that directly corelate with a poor rating Islam and Communism. You do not hear a peep about those societies because the bias is blatant.

16 comments:

Recidivist said...
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Recidivist said...

He was filled with invective and an illogical hatred for Jews which he couches in PC rhetoric.What a complete load of rubbish. Not only do I not have any sort of problem with Jews in general .. but when challenged, you singularly failed to show any evidence of me having any sort of hatred for Jews in general - logical or otherwise.

I have a great dislike for some Jews (such as the butcher and convicted war criminal that leads the state of Israel), just as I hate some gays .. but unless you are suggesting that to dislike one Jew means that one hates all Jews, then quite frankly you are spouting the most illogical and libelous crap imaginable. But given that you are yourself a blatant racist, that shouldn't be such a surprise to anyone.

You say that you have yet to encounter a radical Jew who could identify common prayer items ... well I’ll give you one right here and now: Julia Neuberger, former Chief Rabbi of England, who is a fully signed up member of Jews Against Zionism ... or former British government Minister Gerald Kauffman.

As for the rest of your post, just because I happen to be gay - and therefore part of a minority which is oppressed in many parts of the world (including I hasten to add, the United States) does not mean that I see myself as gay above all other things .. I am no supporter of the bile sickness that is minority single issue politics.

Now if that is the best that have to offer, then all I fear that all you have succeeded in doing is showing how desperate bigoted scum like you can be.

Recidivist said...

By the way .. feel free to carry on with you pathetic racist trolling .. but kindly keep your filth away from my blog.

Any further posts from yourself will be deleted.

beakerkin said...

As usual the Left is filled with hatred and cowardice. My points about having no logic other than Jew hatred are made clear.Jews are okay as long as we agree to make a second or third Palestinian state.

The fact is that if he and his leftist Jewish friends were in the PA they would be executed. The PA lynches collaborators and homosexuals flee to Israel for safety.

The logic of a gay man sympathising with a society that lynches homosexuals is like a Jew sympathising with Nazis or Blacks in favor of the clan. My lengthy post deals with the facts and I placed evolved nations like Bulgaria and Albania up as well.

The fact that when Jews speak up in favor of Israel this posters calls it racist trolling. Modern Palestinians have zero connection to those in the Bible. They are the descendants of Arab invaders who are on real estate that does not belong to them.

The other conquered nations were mostly Christians. A reminder that the Assyrians and Coptics have their own language ,culture and religon go back 4,000 years.

The cowardly left placed a blog up that doesn't allow comments. This is what makes us different on the right. We relish true debate they run from the truth.

Anonymous said...

The fact is that if he and his leftist Jewish friends were in the PA they would be executed. The PA lynches collaborators and homosexuals flee to Israel for safety

BULLSHIT.

Just because a statute says that something is illegal, does not always mean that it is actively enforced. It isn’t enforced in most of the countries that you list.

Homosexuality is by default still technically illegal in the United Kingdom .. however no prosecutions are ever made ever made, it doesn’t get you drummed out of the army and it doesn’t stop it being legal to enter in to a legally recognised same-sex relationship with the privileges of marriage (in all but name), so maybe you should research your facts with a little more rigor than your buddy Davis Horowitz does.

Not only did I return alive from the PA (twice), I was never imprisoned .. just as I wasn't in Pakistan, Turkey, Saudi, Oman, UAE, Iran, Iraq, Abu Dhabi, Lebanon, Syria, Egypt, Lybia or Tunisia, Indonesia, Malaysia or Bangladesh.

The only one here who is filled with hatred and disingenuty is you in your desperate need to show that anti-Zionism is the same as being anti-Semitism, anti-Jewish or even anti the people of Israel.

I repeat, you have singularly failed to give a single example of any prejudice that I have shown against Jewish people in general, and you simply introduce the charge as a diversion from your own rabid racism. The fact that you haven’t shown any examples of this is that they simply aren’t there - so you just desperately repeat the charge in the home that it will stick if you repeat it often enough ... and not only that, you have the brass nerve to say that it isn’t personal - which has to be the most insincere crap I have ever heard.

The fact that when Jews speak up in favor of Israel this posters calls it racist trolling.Really? I call YOU a racist troll . you can’

Recidivist said...

The fact is that if he and his leftist Jewish friends were in the PA they would be executed. The PA lynches collaborators and homosexuals flee to Israel for safety

BULLSHIT.

Just because a statute says that something is illegal, does not always mean that it is actively enforced. It isn’t enforced in most of the countries that you list.

Homosexuality is by default still technically illegal in the United Kingdom .. however no prosecutions are ever made ever made, it doesn’t get you drummed out of the army and it doesn’t stop it being legal to enter in to a legally recognised same-sex relationship with the privileges of marriage (in all but name), so maybe you should research your facts with a little more rigor than your buddy Davis Horowitz does.

Not only did I return alive from the PA (twice), I was never imprisoned .. just as I wasn't in Pakistan, Turkey, Saudi, Oman, UAE, Iran, Iraq, Abu Dhabi, Lebanon, Syria, Egypt, Lybia or Tunisia, Indonesia, Malaysia or Bangladesh.

The only one here who is filled with hatred and disingenuty is you in your desperate need to show that anti-Zionism is the same as being anti-Semitism, anti-Jewish or even anti the people of Israel.

I repeat, you have singularly failed to give a single example of any prejudice that I have shown against Jewish people in general, and you simply introduce the charge as a diversion from your own rabid racism. The fact that you haven’t shown any examples of this is that they simply aren’t there - so you just desperately repeat the charge in the home that it will stick if you repeat it often enough ... and not only that, you have the brass nerve to say that it isn’t personal - which has to be the most insincere crap I have ever heard.

The fact that when Jews speak up in favor of Israel this posters calls it racist trolling.Really? I call YOU a racist troll . you can’t show any evidence that I say that about all those who speak up in favor of Israel. I say it about Zionists, because I happen to believe that the UN was right when it condemned Zionism as being racist.

You on the other hand have made any number of racist comments about Palestinians, which you subsequently try to squirm out of by claiming that there is no such thing as a Palestinian people .. even though that flies in the face of your own holy texts.

As for your claim that the logic of a gay man sympathizing with a nation that persecutes gays, is like a Jew sympathizing with the Nazi's, is quite simply ludicrous .. but if you really want to follow the analogy, I take it you mean Jews like the Jewish terrorist Stern Gang members who worked with the Nazis and even wore the Nazi uniform .. the gang that such great Zionist heros as Manachem Begin and Yitzak Shamir were members of? Men who were responsible for bombings and massacres that killed more innocent Palestinian women and children in two years than all the Jewish women and children killed by Palestinian terrorists ever?

That is the same logic that would tell you that you always stick by a Jew, no matter what he was done .... flawed logic.

You also miss the point that it isn't the PA that persecutes gays .. it is individual people who persecute gays. If I was to follow your logic, I should hate all Americans then, because more gays are murdered for their sexuality in the United States than in any other country in the world. What is more, the United States allows the sick freaks who undertake that persecution to publicly glory in their deeds.

And pray tell me how it is cowardice to suspend comments when the clearly stated aim is simply to stop you from posting your continual stream of wholly irrelevant attention seeking diversionary and bigoted bile all over my blog? That is common sense, not cowardice. YOU may think that you have a right to post wherever you want, but you don’t .... but even if it was cowardice, then it is interesting to note that you yourself have switched the comments off on one of your posts, so that would make you a hypocrite and a coward.

The simple fact is that you are just trolling, and I am the mug who has been foolish enough to feed your trolling. Well, no more.

beakerkin said...

A coward is one who posts something and is afraid to back it up . The reason that you are afraid is that your whole blog is BS . The bit on voting was absurd ask average Americans.
The difference between a coward and brave man is simple. I invite you and all your budies here. You are proving Horowitz was right.
As far as ignorance you should win a nobel prize. Modern Palestinians have zero connection with biblical Phillistines.
The area was conquered around the year 670. The Jews are the indigenous people look at your history books and any archeological text. Find me a Palestinian object from 1300. Who was the leader of this group and what was their currency.
As stated before there is no such thing as a Palestinian. There are Sunni Arab invaders on real estate that was colonized. While your at it check into the Coptic and Assyrians. Both people have clear identities over 4000 years old ,their own language and religion. Where is this distinct language ? Where is this religious identity ? Where is the history prior to 1964 ?

Colonialism and etnocide is fine as long as the victims are Jews and Christians. While you are at it Kindly compare Jim Crow laws to Jihzyah and the twenty one dhimi laws. That is aparthied but it is okay . It is also wonderful that Jews were ethnically cleansed from Arab lands. Go to JIMENA if you want to see the truth.
The fact remains that if you lived in the PA for any length of time you would be dead. Gay Palestinians flee to Israel for their lives. In the original blog I posted three stories including one from the BBC.
You misread my statement about your fellow Jewish leftist. If Palestinians behaved in the same manner as your friend they would be dead.
The reason is Israel is an enlightened democracy. The PA is a totalitarian repressive corupt state. Israeli Arabs are not moving to the PA.
You are the definition of a coward personified. Lets see you called American Jews paranoid. You have made no response defining what differentiates a Palestinian from any other Sunni Arab.
My blog is open as I believe in free speech even for people I disagree with. Your comment section is closed and you delette coments because you are a totalitarian and a coward.
FYI David Horowitz has open registration at Front Page Magazine. Bring all your fellow totalitarian cowards.See if you can survive in an open forum.

Warren said...

Recidivist,
You are a coward!

You remind me of those idiots that tour North Korea and then tout the goodness of Kim.

Of course you weren't arrested, you were not a national and I'm sure you got the "guided" tour.

Recidivist said...

Warren .. and you remind me of a very simple very ignorant git.

It is you two - actually Beakerkin and his imaginary trolling buddy (you) - who are the cowards, for despite repeated claims about my anti-Semitism, you have bot so far failed to post a single shred of evidence to back up your ridiculous claims.

You are cowardice personified.

Redbeard said...

Recidivist, you seem to be ever so upset each time you post here. I hate to see you so riddled with angst. Is there anything anyone can do to help? Maybe you should have a nice cuppa tea and a lie-down.......

Warren said...

Recidivist said:
Warren .. and you remind me of a very simple very ignorant git.

It is you two - actually Beakerkin and his imaginary trolling buddy (you) - who are the cowards, for despite repeated claims about my anti-Semitism, you have bot so far failed to post a single shred of evidence to back up your ridiculous claims.


.. How very droll.
Gee, those are mighty harsh words coming from a low brow like you!

You lefties are always screaming about freedom of speech then try to stifle anyone that disagrees with your anal retentive ideology.

Just because you lapsed into dissonance doesn't mean that I didn't offer any evidence. So do try to concentrate, just for you, here it is again:

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Recidivist said:
"Why is it that American Jews are generally so paranoid that they are wholly incapable of divorcing condemnation of Israel from condemnation of their race? .. in contrast to the European Jews, who can generally stand back objectively, criticise, debate and accept the validity of so much of the criticism of Israel, without the NEED to see it as a racist insult."

To which I replied:
"You have shown yourself to be anti-Semitic by your singling out "American Jews" plus the state of Israel, encompassing the majority of Jews in the world.

You have exempted "European Jews" probably meaning those who are not religious Jews and largely defining themselves only as "ethnic Jews", thereby divorcing themselves from those that practice their religion.

Therefore, you do not have a problem with those nice European Jews that know their place but those pesky nasty American and Israelis Jews, (that make up the majority of Jews in the world), better learn to toe the line.

*************
You made a racist comment! That you do not see it as such is no surprise. I have heard almost the same exact comment from a white supremacist. You see, he doesn't have a problem with them non-paranoid Jooos that agree with him either.

If Beakerkin invented me, he sure went through a lot of trouble and my wife is going to be mad as hell when she finds out. LOL

Reading your crap has gotten me interested in Jungian psychology. You might look up shadow projection sometime.

kafkaesq said...

You know what, all you "righties" teaming up against Recidivist, claiming moral superiority and the like, are just as bad in your rhetoric!

Listen to yourselves... "you lefties are always..."

Pot, meet Kettle.

P.S.- anyone who cites approvingly to Horowitz is either very misinformed about the man or quite deluded. Do ya'll think Rush is a good source as well?

beakerkin said...

Kafkaesqe

I do not cite Rush as a source he is an entertainer. David Horowitz is a fan of this post and requsted it. I corespond with several authors David Yeagley, Lawrence Auster, David Horowitz, Monica Crowley and others. I find nothing wrong with their work.

As far as ganging up on The Recidivist his tone is responsible for what followed. He calls me a troll and doesn't stick to the issues.

I welcome dissent on my board as I believe in the first amendment. However, this should work both ways and all boards should be open.
Anyone can post whatever they like here agree or disagree. I respect people that dissent.

I thank you for your words do come again.

Warren said...

Kafkaesq said,

You know what, all you "righties" teaming up against Recidivist, claiming moral superiority and the like, are just as bad in your rhetoric!

Listen to yourselves... "you lefties are always..."

Pot, meet Kettle.


OH! caught me, how horrible of me after being called a troll an a ignorant git and all.

Try quoting the whole sentence next time instead of taking it out of context. You might actually make a point...

I always reply in the same spirit when attacked. If you are civil with me I'll be civil with you, Mr pot.

Your cynicism doesn't impress me. I claim no moral superiority and I can be a very nasty customer indeed, if the situation calls for it.

I call them as I see them.

Craigy B said...

"The bit on voting was absurd ask average Americans"

Absurd? Even though he backed that one point up with more hard factual evidence than you have supplied in total throughout your entire blog?

By which we can safely assume that you don't mean the 'average' half of Americans who didn't vote for Bush or who aren't white, or aren't Muslim and who aren't to the left of centre politically. Yes?

Pardon me, but that sounds like a minority to me, so from that we can deduce that you have no interest in democracy, just having it all your way.

That just about confirms what average people would suspect about you when they read your blog.

beakerkin said...

My view of Race in the USA have not been posted on. I am a Rudy Republican so your charges do not stick.
Bush won the election fair and square. The American people spoke and they agree with my side. Republicans picked up Senate and House Seats.
My blog on Israel was loaded with sources . There has been zero holes found in my side of the story. What historical point was wrong?
The Recidivist is a coward who removes posts rather than defend his position.His blog on elections was bs. I told him about rampant fraud and it is exclusively from the left. He is intelectualy lazy.