Friday, August 22, 2008

More Stupidity From The Duck

The Duck stupidly assumes as a supporter of Israel I must support the Kibbutz mania.
I do not support any form of communism be it on a Kibbutz or via Hugo Chavez's insane asylum.

In fairness to the Kibbutznicks, Owenites and other fools these were exercises in idiocy carried out by people of their own free will. They did not force their stupidity
on others. As such one should not hold them in the same contempt as Marxists of all idiotic varieties or the even dumber anarchists.

A supporter of Israel is not bound to support every policy or concept in Israel. I certainly do not care for Israeli communists or Kahanists. Israeli communists like communists everywhere should be treated as a mental health issue.


Papa Frank said...

"Israeli communists like communists everywhere should be treated as a mental health issue."

Funny, that's the same way that ducky should be treated as well.

The Merry Widow said...

You also need to look at the circumstances that led to the kibbutz movement.
First, the cost of land,
second the security isues(the fedayeen were encouraged to pillage, rape, murder and steal, so it was mutual protection),
third is the incredible amount of physical labor that was required(without much more than muscles, shovels, hoes and other simple tools), draining a swamp that has been that way for over 1800 yrs. NEEDS manpower,
fourthly, many of the later kibbutz were semi-military , in that they were strategically placed to interfere with gun running and raids.
So there was a lot more going on than communism, though that was an element.
Good morning, G*D bless and Maranatha!


beakerkin said...

It is true that the Kibbutz movements
were often military necessity. In general they were run for different reasons than their American counterparts.

In general it is a bad idea.

There is still a profound difference between an Owenite, a typical Kibbutnick and a Renegade Eye. Marx added the real probability of violence to force others into this madness.

Owen may have been full of bluster
but he nor his followers were violently inclines. Owen was more or less autocratic, but does not deserve to be lumped into the crimes against humanity of Marxists

Ducky's here said...

Beak, oh Bodhisattva of Confusion and Shallowness, let's look at the record.

I said you don't have the balls to rationally talk about the critical role of both terrorism and socialism in the founding of the state of Israel.

Pitch till you win.

Ducky's here said...

Beak, a point of honor here. I try not to insult any of your posters. My give and take is generally with you.

However, a certain Papa Frank is proving himself a man of limited intellect and reasoning and I would like to know if I have your permission to go ad hominem.

Ducky's here said...

mw, the reasons behind the kibbutz movement only demonstrate that the socialist kibbutz had a role to play for good reason.

It's just an unfortunate truth that belies your paranoid fear of the word socialism.

beakerkin said...

Ducky you can go ad Hominem. However,
I am fairly familiar with his material and you are way off base.

Socialism is an abomination and I am
happy Israel is moving away from it.
The communists played both Arabs and Jews against each other until it was clear that Israel would not be a Soviet puppet. Then the rhetoric and anti semitism from Commies went into
over drive.

FYI The Soviets instigated the Six day war with BS about troop buildups in the Golan and illegal flights over the Negev.

Socialists have an inability to step away from Communists.

Papa Frank said...

It's too bad you don't have the balls to have your own blog duckling. As you've shown yourself to be incapable of intelligent thought on many blogs I visit I am hardly worried. You may be a great and strong man in your own mind, intelligent even, but to many I associate with you are nothing but a leftard whipping post.

Beamish said...

Papa Frank,

Ducky at least frosts his cupcakes of leftist stupidity with the boldly ludricrous assertion that they emerged from a thought process.

Keeps us in stitches.