Tuesday, July 29, 2008

My memory is going

A friend of mine who shall be nameless has compared religious Christians to fundamentalist Muslims. Stephen Schwartz would probably point out the correct terms are Wahabis and Salafist.

I must have some repressed memories because I do not remember the 700 Club attacking my city. I also seem to remember commies blaming dem Jooooos while the fires were still burning, been there done that twice. I do not blame all Muslims for 9-11. Yet these hysterical over the top comparisons do not solve a thing.

Sorry, but mindless equivalences between an odd abortion clinic bomber and Al Quedah doesn't cut it. There are certainly some Christians who hate gays. Lets also not pretend that the antics of Act Up were civil. Some gays do hate religious Christians.

I have repeatedly heard claims of fire bombing of gay bars. 167 made this claim about Israeli Jews firebombing gay bars but produced no links. I would like to seriously see links on these bombings. I will then count up bombings caused by Jihadis and Commies to see if there is some unknown epidemic.

I am not going to defend vulgar homophobic statements by Christians. However, last I checked Pat Robertson did not issue any Fatwas. He made many stupid comments but unlike Pastor half baked Wright he had the human decency to apologize. Don't hold your breath for Pastor Wright or the Commies at the World Council of Churches to ever do anything similar.

14 comments:

Z said...

What gets me is that muslims can murder and people will stand up for them saying it only represents a small percentage of islam.

But let a Christian, one lowly creep whose mind gets twisted, go into a church and shoot it up, and all of Christianity's at fault....

You won't have to wait for Pastor Wright to apologize, I hear he's coming out with a book in October and I"m SURE that's what the book will be about....RIGHT? (ya, right..as if)

Rev. Don Spitz said...

The Bible is clear that homosexuals are sex perverts and enemies of the LORD God. Your support of these sodomites is disgusting.

Whatever you think, you will not be able to change God's Word and will one day have to pay the price for not believing what God has written.

Leviticus 18:22 Thou shalt not lie with mankind, as with womankind: it is abomination.

Leviticus 20:13 If a man also lie with mankind, as he lieth with a woman, both of them have committed an abomination: they shall surely be put to death; their blood shall be upon them.

Romans 1:22 Professing themselves to be wise, they became fools,
V23 And changed the glory of the uncorruptible God into an image made like to corruptible man, and to birds, and fourfooted beasts, and creeping things.

V24 Wherefore God also gave them up to uncleanness through the lusts of their own hearts, to dishonour their own bodies between themselves:

V25 Who changed the truth of God into a lie, and worshipped and served the creature more than the Creator, Who is blessed for ever. Amen.

V26 For this cause God gave them up unto vile affections: for even their women did change the natural use into that which is against nature:

V27 And likewise also the men, leaving the natural use of the woman, burned in their lust one toward another; men with men working that which is unseemly, and receiving in themselves that recompence of their error which was meet.

SAY THIS PRAYER: Dear Jesus, I am a sinner and am headed to eternal hell because of my sins. I believe you died on the cross to take away my sins and to take me to heaven. Jesus, I ask you now to come into my heart and take away my sins and give me eternal life.

Justin said...

Beak,

Again you twist peoples words out of their true context.

I went and read what your friend said and I'm sorry Beak he did not use the statement "religious Christians." His statement was and I quote.

" I stand by my statement that Christian Fundamentalism is just like Islamic Fundamentalism, in that it leads to violence."

Now my choice of words would have been Radical Christian Fundamentalism is just like Radical Islamic Fundamentalism. However, the meaning is pretty much the same.

In both beliefs there is a call to destroy the non-believers. And that call is preached in their churches and their mosques. There are people who will go out and act on those beliefs fully believing they are doing the Churches or Mosques work.

Do you remember Eric Rudolp? The bomber who set off bombs at the olympics in Atlanta, bombed the Gay bar in Atlanta, and bombed the Abortion Clinic in Atlanta.

"In a statement distributed after his guilty pleas, Rudolph portrayed himself as a devout Christian and said the bombings were motivated by his hatred of abortion and a federal government that lets it continue."

Where do you think he got his ideas Beak? Could it be from a demented Radical Fundementalist Belief preached in his church?

Where does the jihadist get his belief that to kill non believers from? Could it be from a demented Radical Fundementalist Belief preached in his mosque?

No Beak, it is not a mindless equivalence between an odd abortion clinic bomber and Al Quedah. They are both done in the name of their religion and their belief so the comparison stands on its own. Both are Radical, Hateful and Wrong. Both are done because the people who commited the acts were indoctrinated to believe they were actin on their faith.

No one was justifying any radical elements in the gay movement such as Act Up. They were not even mentioned in your friends article nor would he accept their actions as being acceptable.

Beak it is beyond me how you can call a person a friend and then take something they said and twist it to make it look as though once again he is launching a all out attack on "Christians" when that is the furtherest thing from the truth.

Whether you like it or not Beak there is a large Fundementalist Christian based movement in this country that is radical and would like nothing more than to have the laws of this land based soley in Biblical context. Once that is done then they have no problem dealing with those who do not measure up to their standards.
Fortunately they have not really been able to come together in one cause such as the Radical Islamics.

Religiously inspired terrorism is a worldwide phenomenon, and every major world religion has people who have appropriated the label of their religion in order to legitimize their violence.

While the main stream Churches in this country do not condone these types of actions there are many Fundementalist Churches that will tell their congregations that it is just G-ds work being done.

The worst thing I ever heard out of Fundementalist Churches and there were many of them Beak. On the Sunday following Matthew Shepards murder these churches preached from their pulpits that the blood of Matthew was not upon the hands of the murderers but upon Matthew himself the murderers were just G-ds instruments carrying out his will. Sorry Beak that is not only just sick but it approves the violence being done in G-ds name and there are many who will think it is ok to act upon their sick beliefs.

While I did not write this article you posted on I wish I had. I have a too detest Fundementalist movements such as the AFA who say that The Unitarian Church or any Church for that matter is doing Satan's work. I detest movements which blame natural disasters on Gays. That is hate speech Beak plain and simple.

I know you defended Pat Robertson for his apology about 9-11 but do you seriously think he meant it Beak? I dont think so it just happened to be politally convienent for him.

How would you defend these statements which he has never apologized for because he has never been called on them.

"Call me old-fashioned but I think non-believers should be manacled, pubicly flayed and set afire by the Council of Elders with the assistance of the town smithy." Pat Robertson,

"Just like what Nazi Germany did to the Jews, so liberal America is now doing to the evangelical Christians. It's no different. It is the same thing. It is happening all over again. It is the Democratic Congress, the liberal-based media and the homosexuals who want to destroy the Christians. Wholesale abuse and discrimination and the worst bigotry directed toward any group in America today. More terrible than anything suffered by any minority in history."--Pat Robertson,

"The Constitution of the United States, for instance, is a marvelous document for self-government by the Christian people. But the minute you turn the document into the hands of non-Christian people and atheistic people they can use it to destroy the very foundation of our society. And that's what's been happening." -- Pat Robertson,


So people like you Beak should be handcuffed, flayed and set fire. Do you think you could get him to apologize to you for that statement Beak?

So Liberals are committing greater atrocities on Pat Roberston Etal than the Nazis did the Jews Beak.

Has Pat Robertson been refused the right to practice his religion? Has Pat Robertson been refused the right to have free speech and his television program? How many of these Fundementalist Christains been loaded into Cattle Cars and taken to Concentration Camps and sent to Gas Chambers? When you find out let me know because I cant find any so far. Not in this country anyway.

So Beak you have no right nor should you have any right of expectation to any of the "Rights" given in the Constitution because not being a proper believer in Pats eyes you just screw the whole thing up.

Well, sorry about taking so much of your time and space but when I saw how you had taken what was said and turned it upside down I just could not let it stand.

As always your friend

Beamish said...

Mere words make leftists go apeshit.

Justin said...

Well Beak, I think that Rev Don just summed up what I was talking about. You don't measure up and one day you will have to answer for it. If he had his way it would be sooner than later.

beakerkin said...

Justin

I responded to Rev Spitz. Let them cast the first stone at me. You are a mere homosexual. I am guilty of recreational sex and for what it is worth that should be number one on the hit parade.

The comments of Robertson are over the top. Hopwever, as Jesus himself respected life it is not surprising that these acts of terror are very rare.

I do not see a move towards theocracy, but you may call me naive.

The Merry Widow said...

I don't either...and I have attended; non-denominational, southern baptist, charismatic and brethren assembly churches...in NONE of them have I heard 1 whisper that any non-Christian should be; flayed, burned at the stake, taken to a concentratiopn camp and gas chambers in cattle cars, etc. etc.
Instead, I heard, live the Gospel, be generous, help the lonely and the hurting, live a holy life and turn from sin, AND WHEN you do sin, go to G*D and ask forgiveness and help not to do it again...
I do not see this "rev." doing any of that, nor does he appear to reach out to deperate women and girls that may not have seen another way out, and offered them a better way, a place of refuge and healing...no, I see rejection and self-righteousness...not Jesus.
I have known women who have taken that route and come to Christ, they were healed of their wounds, mental and emotional and spiritual.
Justin-I am concerned about consequences, I really do not want anyone to go to Hell. That is my motivation...do you see death there?

tmw

Justin said...

And I do Beak.

The Pagan Temple said...

Conservative Christians sure have their faults, but among that list you will not find wanton murder and mayhem. Nor will you find such things in the New Testament, nor a commandment to forcibly convert people to Christianity.

Of course you will find Christian extremists. I have always believed there is a good chance that a small group of fanatical Christians burned Rome based on a misunderstanding of then current Christian prophecy.

Even so, if you take all the Christians who have that mindset and gathered them in Rhode Island, they might well make up the largest city there, but I doubt it.

Put the same kinds of fanatical fundamentalist Muslims all together and you will have the largest city the world has ever known. In fact, you will probably have one of the top ten largest populated countries in the world.

I hope Christians stay in the majority in this country, even though I am not one, because by and large they are decent, law-abiding people. The conservative Christians from my experience tend to be the most decent, if also the most judgmental of Christians. Actually, this even is inaccurate. Liberal Christians tend to be as smug, pretentious, and self-righteous a group of people as you will ever meet, but they get a pass because they are "tolerant".

Muslims are a different story all together from both groups of Christians. They are untrustworthy at best, and tend to go off on murderous rampages over the most insignificant of issues.

As for the gay controversy, I've said it before and I'll say it again, a person's lifestyle is his own business. As long as it is two consenting adults, that's the name of that tune. We do live in a secular society, and the laws should reflect that.

So, most Christian fundamentalists believe gays are going to hell. Maybe they are right, maybe they are wrong. Whatever the case, it is and should remain irrelevant as far as our SECULAR law goes.

That's what most Christians don't seem to get. It is not the business of the United States government or the courts to enforce Christian dogma. If you want to deny gay people their constitutional civil rights, or to have any laws one way or another concerning them, you had best explain that position in a way that the Bible doesn't come into the equation, because it plainly doesn't belong there.

By the same token, if Christians want to teach that homosexuality is a sin and that gays are hell bound, then they have a perfect right to believe and preach that, and gays should just have to deal with it. We all have our crosses to bear, well, grin and bear it.

The Merry Widow said...

PT-LOL! You have it, and we conservative Christians get to deal with, "Pi## Christ".
I'm not out to kill or maim or even smack the "artist", I'd try to talk to him first and if that didn't work, I'd pray for him.
Unfortunately, our country was founded on Judeo/Christian principles, one of which was self-control. I say unfortunately, because the common Judeo/Christian culture and understanding has been diluted by atheism, so we don't have that commonality that everyone in the country understood.
So we need more laws and regulations to deal with the growing lack of self-control, and the other virtues which were taught in school at least!
I believe Romans 1 deals with the results of that downward spiral.
And if you are talking about the fred phelp's and "rev." spitzer's out there, why not use a small "c" to denote that they are not truly Christians...and believe me, there are more christians than Christians out there.
Good morning, G*D bless and Maranatha!

tmw

Always On Watch said...

A little information about Don Spitz, who calls himself a reverend, from a comment he appears to have left, followed by the site's owner's comment:

Rev. Don Spitz said...
Eric Rudolph is not a terrorist, but an anti-terrorist fighter. Those who have killed babykilling abortionists have done so to protect the innocent. People use force everyday to protect the innocent and no one has a problem with it, except when it comes to protecting unborn human beings, then they go ballistic. It's very simple, the unborn deserve the same protection as the born. Born people are protected with force quite often. Force that you would be glad if it was to protect your children against a murderer. Force that you yourself might use to protect your own children from being murdered. The unborn deserve the same protection.
SAY THIS PRAYER: Dear Jesus, I am a sinner and am headed to eternal hell because of my sins. I believe you died on the cross to take away my sins and to take me to heaven. Jesus, I ask you now to come into my heart and take away my sins and give me eternal life.

11:56 PM

Duby said...
Dear Reverend Don Spitz,I'm only going to address two things in your comment.

The first is the blatant disrespect you have shown me by assuming that since I don't agree with your definition of terrorism that I am bound to hell and need to say the sinners prayer and repent of my ways. I'll just leave the first point at that before I can no longer keep the reins on my tongue.

The second thing is my point that you have, I can only assume accidentally, fleshed out for the few readers of my blog. This man is familiar to me, I know people like him, I am like him, so he can't possibly be a terrorist, because then I could be a terrorist, or my wife or neighbor or kids or grandkids or ... could be a terrorist. I know thats simply not true, so I will find some logical way to make it not so in my head. Although many times the logic isn't really logical, and only rational in our own minds. In your case, Reverend Spitz, you have adopted a definition of terrorism that you would be hard pressed to find outside of your circle.

Since you choose not to mention Mr.McVeigh, Mr.Nettles, or the "Trench Coat Mafia", I think it is safe to assume that they fall under your definition of terrorist. I will even venture an educated guess and say that your thought process in regards to those men is the same as mine (and probably many other white people like myself) in regards to all of those mentioned. That is simply to say they are extremes, and they weren't really that much like me in the first place.

1:03 AM


There ya go, Beak!

berty said...

In both beliefs there is a call to destroy the non-believers.

When did Jesus ever say, "Go out and destroy the non-believers?"

The Merry Widow said...

You're right, berty-girl. HE said to go and make disciples of the whole world...in other words, bring them inside HIS flock. Where there is health, healing, protection, nourishment and love.

tmw

nanc said...

irrelevant spitz - homosexuals ARE NOT enemies of the Lord. the action of fornication outside marriage is considered an abomination, for which there is forgiveness.

salvation is for every single person willing to accept the gift.