I want to point out the deep respect that I have for both Justin and Rob. Somehow in all of these posts they never do seem to get around to ever mentioning the parts about respect and friendship. It is very hard to disagree with Justin because of the respect factor.
I want to remind the narrow minded among us that Justin is a friend and some of you need to be reminded he is a man I admire. He is a Vietnam Veteran, a theologian, an honored father and friend to all those who know him. Some of us are extremely narrow minded and judge the whole man by one aspect of his life. This aspect of his life is none of any one's business except for that of his partner. Above all, he is a human being entitled to respect.
I want to point out the absurdity of the people who will toss hateful words at an admirable man like Justin or Rob and give an acolyte of class genocide and treason respect. There is something extremely warped with those of us who hurl abuse at a veteran and treat communists with kid gloves. Sorry, but class genocide, treason, theft and populist anti-semitism are not alternative lifestyles.
Sometimes, Gays do tend to over react to the very hateful words that do come from evangelicals. However, the norm of rank and file lay people is to love the sinner and hate the sin.Homosexuality is not the sum of all sin. However, discussions about Civil rights do not belong in a theological context.
I want to state that the context and origins of Nazi, Communist and Anarchist anti-semitism have absolutely nothing to do with its Christian counterparts. The misguided Christian anti-semitism was purely theological and absolutely never based on racial eliminationalism or class genocidal. Convetrts were typically left alone and plenty of people practiced their religion in private. Even Jihadi based anti- semitism was never based on racial eliminationalism.
Hitler in general is probably the most over analyzed subject in history. However, one can cherry pick whatever statements and come up with whatever they wish. Hitler, had plenty of anti Capitalist statements and he had a whole wing of far leftists. The subject of homosexuality and Nazism is far more complicated than typically presented. There were Gay Nazis and there were gays sent to concentration camps. The actual number of fatalities is unknown but professional researchers have difficulties coming up with 2,000 names. Even the most inflated estimate is 15,000 that is likely a fraction of the total gays in Berlin. The anti gay policy was never implemented outside of Germany. Thus if you were a gay Pole or Balt nobody cared. This is not to say that that individual gays did not suffer. However, they were clearly not targeted as directly on eliminationalist grounds as Jews and Gypsies who were marked for death as subhuman.
My views on Christianity are largely based on Alvin Schmidtt, Dinesh D'Sousa and my own eyes. Inevitably whenever, I encounter a rabid anti-semite they are almost always a communist, Anarchist or some other form of leftist societal garbage. I do not consider advocates of liberation theology Christians. Liberation theology is merely a vehicle for communist subversion of religious orders. This subversion also takes place in reform Judaism with fake Rabbis such as Rabbi "LSD" Lerner.
I live in and am a proud member of Western Civilization. The true apex of Western Civilization is Americanism. I do not need lectures from the salon set Euroweenies with burning cities about liberty and justice. Every day, I meet plenty of Europeans
who are Muslim, African, Hindu and Asian who would tell you that they feel freer to excell and be an acepted part of the culture in the United States than in the European countries they left. These imigrants and the exiles from Venezuela, Vietnam, China and ex Eastern European emigres are the invisible people who are never listened to.
I enjoy the right to practice my faith on my own terms and the right to be an equal member of the greatest family ever known to man, the American people. The journey to the present did involve many errors including those against my own people and indigenous peoples elsewhere. However, the notion that indigenous people should have rights and that slavery was inhuman originates in the very Christianity that the high minded arrogant gin impaired solonistas and their American wannabes gets lost in the mix.
Like any other movement Christianity has been abused by those seeking power. However, it does not readilly avail itself to inhumanity as secular communism to crimes against humanity or a religion based upon submission.
I do respect Justin's passion for his position. However, the truth is that radicals never get anything accomplished. The folks at Act Up set back the cause of gay rights decades with their sophomoric temper tantrums. Genuine progress and respect will only come through working together and respectfully with Christians and other reasonable types. Obviously people who use nasty slurs are not amenable to practical
discussions on a higher level. I would not urge them to engage bigots any more than I would ask a fellow Jews to engage Communists who advocate the Protocols of the Elders of Zion 2.0.
Moving on to the question of if marriage is a civil contract or a theological matter. Most of us agree that dog ownership and driving privilages are regulated by civil authorites. The very laws of who may marry is a central part of every religious order. A civil union avoids the government intrusion into theological law where it does not belong. Perhaps the Duck will find the section in the Talmud or Hindu tracts that deal with driving privilages.