My party is the party of of Reagan. We stand for a nation of shared ideal. We respect the wisdom of the founding fathers and property rights. We do not tolerate KKK goons and 9-11 truthers. We grasp that not everyone agrees on every subject. However, there are some things beyond the pale such as blame America first ala Ron Paul.
This is not about liberterianism. This is about the kooky and creepy Ron Paul who fouls are party with his band of Truthers and Stormfronters.
The Pagan is correct that the Pauls are on the fringes of the Tea Party. In fact Ron Paul fouls anything he goes near.
The Farmer points out that once me and Mr. B chase the Paulites out the tent will be empty. I would sooner sit at the big table that stands for something that I can be proud of than to sit at a meaningless gathering of fools.
What sort of Republican values does Ron Paul and his freak show followers bring?
As most have pointed out he has no chance because Republicans see the man and his followers as freaks and losers.
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I think Farmer said if you chase the Tea Party out, not the Paulites. If you chase the Paulites out it would have no effect, as most Paulites would not vote for anybody but Paul regardless. The Paulites are not the Tea Party, certainly not the Stormfront and 9/11 Truther leeches.
I have some issues with the Tea Party myself, but only in the sense that I think they, at times, tend to be too impractical, sometimes even fanatical.
But without them the Republican Party goes back to being a party of center right squishes and I can't support that.
They talk a lot of shit about lower taxes and reducing government and regulations, but what have they really done? At the end of the day, the Democrats ask for two or three times what they really want, and then they "compromise" with the squishes and get exactly everything they want, or damn close to it.
The Tea Party means what they say and says what they mean. Again, I don't always agree with them, but they're the real deal. They damn sure aren't socialists or antisemites.
Bear in mind there are a lot of establishment Republicans who dislike them as much or more than Democrats, and they have their blogs and websites who try to derail the Tea Party. A good example of this is Red State, also Ace of Spades HQ. Take what you read on so-called Republican or "conservative" blogs with a grain of salt. Red State, at least at one time, was infested with operatives of the Alaska Murkowski goons, such as Art Chance, who has since been given the boot. Ace, for all his good qualities, is one of these do anything to win kind of guys who would rather see somebody like Mike Castle, who votes with the Democrats half the time, become Senator of Delaware than Christine O'Donnell, regardless of the fact O'Donnell was supported by the vast majority of Delawareans. Evidently the party establishment doesn't believe Delaware Republicans have a right to their preferred candidate.
This is an internal power struggle, and if it causes the party to lose, it will be mostly the fault of the party establishment and its cronies, who don't want to lose their power and influence. Though again, the Tea Party could stand some lessons in pragmatism.
But I hate to see people taken in by establishment spin. Buyer beware.
I'd rather win the election with freaks and fools than lose it it with a collection of wise men and sages any day of the week.
And lose it you will.
Good luck excommunicating the RNC's cardinals, beakerkin. We all know how well THAT usually turns out, especially in the midst of a papal conclave. ;)
Agreed Pagan
My fight is with the Paulites, not the larger movement. Those in the Tea Party need a dose of reality.
There is something wrong with that movement when Mr B who embodies Americanism isn't there.
I stand for something and Paul and his band of brothers are outside
where I stand.
The Tea Party will cut Paul. It will be the Beamishes and the Beakerkins that win the day.
Joe
The Tea Party is not about winning.
I won't take lectures about winning from a group that poisons the party with the Pauls.
My fight is with the Paulites. If the Tea Party wants to be taken seriously there is no room for Tuthers and Storm Front types.
Think of this as a bar room brawl the great Mr. B and Officer Beakerkin vs Truthers and Stormfront clowns. Mr B is the closest thing this blogospere has to John Wayne.
Paul is a Republican. He always has been. You've been "breaking bread" with Paul in the Republican Party for over 30 years w/o comment. But when he starts to organize with the Tea Party, the Tea Party needs to kick him out??? What about your beloved Republican Party? Or does lying downs with dogs only apply to the Tea Party?
I'd recommend that you clean your own house before you start advising others about the need to clean theirs.
I won't take lectures about winning from a group that poisons the party with the Pauls.
The entire Paul "clan" are registered Republicans. I suggest you stop calling yourself a Republican if you "won't take lectures" that aren't about someone ELSE's faults.
We welcome anyone and everyone into the Tea party. If the Republicans want to become a closed-door exclusive club, that there business.
Enjoy your Republican purity, Team B. The RNC couldn't become a footnote in history w/o you.
FJ
As a congressman he flown under the radar. The party should have booted him long ago.
No I intend to clean house and hopefully the leaders of the GOP will listen. Bill Buckley chased the anti semites and the Birchers once before and we need to do it again.
This is not about Libertians this is about Ron Paul.
"He will ruin the party" Limbaugh
" His followers are A holes like commies" Levin
Is everyone wrong FJ? What do we Republicans stand for? I would as soon brawl with Truthers and Stormfront types. You can let them
stand with youn or stand back as I grab a jaw bone of the ass and smite Paul and his followers.
Take back the GOP from the freaks.
There will be a show down at the convention. We should have ousted Buchanan and it cost us.
There will be talk about unity. I will fight that tooth and nail until Paul is tossed.
Let the fight begin.
Levin and Limbaugh are RNC tools. The only time they speak up is when their money masters tell them to. THAT is why your party if filled w/RINO's who vote the big corporate/ big $ interests.
You've grabbed the jawbone of an *ss, alright.
Team B should call itself, Team Sellout.
Joe
Who wants to be part of anything where you let anyone in. You let everyone in and you stand for nothing.
You have a man who embodies Americanism and a more moderate centerist . We differ on much but we stand for something.
Just what do you stand for other than beating Obama. You will find you have no direction and vision.
We will win or lose based upon those principles. I will back any candidate save Ron Paul or Huntsman
perhaps. Neither has a chance in hell, but Paul has been a cancer in the GOP house.
ps - w/o the freaks, the GOP is the Grand Obsolete Party.
Look what the DNC has managed to accomplished with nothing BUT freaks!
Who wants to be part of anything where you let anyone in. You let everyone in and you stand for nothing.
Excuse me? When has the Republican Party ever denied ANYONE admission? EVER?
You've been standing for NOTHING your entire political life. Don't pretend to lecture the Tea Party about it's "low standards" when your own aren't quite all that.
Come on Beak, are you kidding? There is not going to be a power struggle with Ron Paul at the convention or anywhere else for the simple fact that Paul doesn't have any power to struggle with. And he's a cancer on the Republicans? What kind of cancer would that be, a little spot of skin cancer. He's more like a fucking ugly wart that people just put up with because they've gotten used to it.
You're so outraged at Paul, you can't seem to grasp he's a small fish in a very big pond. He's not going to win enough delegates to be an influence at the convention, and that's even assuming he's win any at all.
What the hell is going on here? Are you sure there's not something else bothering you? I can't believe you're this upset over this chump.
And while you're ferreting out Rush Limbaugh's feelings about Ron Paul, ask him his opinion about the Tea Party. I think you'd find it instructive.
Joe, Limbaugh is far from being an establishment squish.
Lets see Reaganite Levin called a sellout by a man that defends Paul.
Lets see Levin vs Ron Paul and his band of freaks and you call yourself Conservative????
Even Pagan who agrees with you would say that Paul has abused the Tea Party to promote himself. A nutty Uncle in the attic
Don't talk to me about RINOS and defend Paul. Paul is a moron and depraved loon whose wafling on Truthers and Stormfronters should tell those who wish to know about his charachter.
Even truthers and freaks deserve a vote so long as they haven't committed any felonies. They are Americans, too.
You have no faith in the American political system beakerkin, or the ability of people to vote their own conscience, and THAT is sad.
A Conservative isn't an ideologue, despite what Team B might think. A Conservative supports the established system, and has faith that it will produce the best result.... eventually.
Joe
We tossed David Duke and now it is time to toss Paul.
Glad to see your true sentiments about the GOP are known. So I am the establishment and you are the revolutionary.
Conservative what????
I am no Conservative, but neither are you.
Pagan
Paul will want to talk. He needs to be denied the spot light. His band of followers need to be shamed
or tossed out.
Paul has done a lousy job keeping the Stormfronters and Truthers out because they are fellow lunatics.
Paul's mainstream followers will ditch him after the heat is turned up.
David Duke was NEVER kicked out of the GOP. He ran as a Republican, and won as a Republican. He could run as a Republican tomorrow, and the RNC would do NOTHING to stop him other than put up other candidates. THAT is the way American politics works. Team B needs to take some reality lessons.
Obviously you are not familiar with entryism. People just like you let Michael Harington into the other party. Two decades pass and you get a socialist as the standard bearer.
A party is not a general election and we need to be true to our ideals. If you want a party of freaks and fools there is a place for that allready.
Bill Buckley purged the party of Birchers and anti semites. Perhaps you think you know more about Conservatism than Buckley also.
The President got up and denounced Duke without word games. Where is Duke now??? He is probably in the Paul camp somewhere.
Obviously you are not familiar with entryism
Bwah-ha-ha-ha=ha! Do you think I spent time researching the International Marxist Tendency at Renegade Eye's blog and learned nothing?
Bill Buckley purged the party of Birchers and anti semites. Perhaps you think you know more about Conservatism than Buckley also.
So you recommend that the Tea Party purge itself of Republicans?
You've been spending too much time smoking crack w/beamish.
The president denounced Duke in 1991 when Duke was running against him for President. Wow, THAT's a shocker. Duke ran AGAIN for the Senate in '96 on the Republican ticket, but lost.
Never was their even a hint at revoking Duke's party membership.
Hey Farmer
What do we stand for? What does being a member of the GOP stand for? Ever hear of entryism look at what Harrington did to the Dems.
I will not see my party destroyed without a fight.
Here's a song dedicated to the Ron Paul Bus Drivers.
What do we stand for?
I don't know what YOU stand for, but I stand for an open society where a man can join whatever political party he wants and run for office, not to be blocked by some ideological purist because he can't get big money's backing, and must rely entirely upon the votes of honest citizens, not gatekeepers.
Joe
Our leadership will toss Paul under the bus. As the primaries get closer the real Republicans will stand up.
I stand with Levin and you can be an afterthought with Paul. This is his Waterloo at 72 he is finnished
and will drift into oblivion. His son is not as obtuse.
Beamish embodies all the things that make America great. You might as well rail about the flag or John Wayne.
Let the Tea Party try without the GOP. It will be by your lack of principles that we will get four more years of Obama.
History is filled with fools and losers. You will join the list of bad ideas.
Does anyone remember John Anderson?
Keep with that philosophy and you will have two Marxist parties.
I got no problems with corporations
backing candidates. Unions back their own and it is part of the system.
Paul needs to go. The heavy hitters
will finnish Paul off.
A political party needs to stand for something and you have shown to stand for nothing.
Our leadership will toss Paul under the bus.
YOUR leaders, Scaife & Mellon will throw ANYONE under the bus that they don't own. So either get off that bus and join a REAL grass movement, of suck Scaife c*ck like a good little money wh*re.
A political party needs to stand for something
lol! Says the 30 year+ Party of Ron Paul and David Duke member.
Keep with that philosophy and you will have two Marxist parties.
...and BOTH will have to beg for Tea Party support for the right to make kings.
Joe,
I stand for an open society where a man can join whatever political party he wants and run for office
Yes, but why GOP ? Ron Paul, who advocates abolishing the Department of Homeland security (where Beak works, btw, making it a bit personal - Ron Paul wins, Beak is unemployed) would probably be more at home in the Democratic Party. If GOP stands for something it's strong defense and law and order. Ron Paul's ideas are completely at odds with those mainstream Republican values.
Sonia-
Ron Paul is actually a Libertarian who joined the Republican Party so he could get elected to Congress from Texas. On most things he is strictly conservative, although he might be an isolationist. His stand on taxes, regulations, and the size and scope of the federal government fits far more with the GOP than it ever could with Democrats. Frankly my only problem with him, besides his cozying up to 9/11 Truthers and Stormfront goons, is his stand on Islam, Iran, and Israel. He's so blinded by libertarian ideology he just can't see, or won't see, how disastrous his policies would be.
But like I said, I'm not going to abandon the GOP, and damn sure not the Tea Party, over someone who is so inconsequential in the grand scheme of things. If he had a snowball's chance in hell of getting any of his nutty shit accepted and passed it might be different.
Dennis Kucinich has as much chance of becoming President as Ron Paul, maybe a little bit of a better chance, and he has a better chance of establishing his "Department of Peace" than Paul has of implementing his crazy shit. So why in the hell worry about it?
Sonia
Even if DHS was abolished I would still work. Immigration Officers provide a central function.
In the case of Joe Conservative we
have a fraud of epic proportions.
He is no conservative and stands for nothing other than repeated cliches from Moveon.org.
My party has no place for KKK/stormfronters, Truthers, Holocaust Deniers and the Blame America first crew. A vote for Ron Paul is a vote for Stormfront. Paul's presence in the Tea Party is
a vehicle for entryism of Truthers, Anti Semites, Holocaust Denniers and every other freak on the Planet into the GOP.
Pagan
While Limbaugh and Levin do support
the Tea Party they are quite vocal
on the need to get Ron Paul out of the GOP.
It is time to make this a war on Paul's supporters. Let them answer
about the presence of Truthers and Stormfronters in their ranks.
When the fight is taken to the supporters its lights out.
Do me a favor and make sure Beamish reads that line about how Levin and Limbaugh support the Tea Party. I want to hear him explain how Limbaugh especially is a stealth leftist and secret Democrat. Beamish has come across some information if I didn't know better I'd swear he got from Alex Jones.
I don't know what YOU stand for, but I stand for an open society where a man can join whatever political party he wants and run for office, not to be blocked by some ideological purist because he can't get big money's backing, and must rely entirely upon the votes of honest citizens, not gatekeepers.
And the coffers of the Iranian government, complete with websites with instructions for how foreign citizens can donate money to the Ron Paul campaign.
Awwww, are the conservative Republican business leaders for capitalism and smaller government forcing national socialist Ron Paul to troll the gutters for campaign cash? Awwwww. Poor baby.
Get the F outta here, lefty.
YOUR leaders, Scaife & Mellon will throw ANYONE under the bus that they don't own. So either get off that bus and join a REAL grass movement, of suck Scaife c*ck like a good little money wh*re.
Anti-capitalist cryptolefties are ugly without their masks, aren't they Beak?
Beamish
This doesn't look like a normal
Conservative. This guy is as off the reservation as Rightminded.
Ron Paul's ideas are completely at odds with those mainstream Republican values.
...but not with the Founder's values. The AIPAC contributors to the RNC don't trust the American people anyone they don't own. But as we can see, they OWN beakerkin and beamish.
What's a "normal conservative" beakerkin? A Scaife family c*cksucker that fishes coins out of a piss bucket like you and beamish?
Go back to Israel, beakerkin. You'll earn more money sucking Arab c*ck than Scaife could ever pay you.
Ron Paul's ideas are completely at odds with those mainstream Republican values.
...but not with the Founder's values.
Yes, of course. Why, it's right there in Federalist #666 that America should seek foreign policy advice from people who crash hijacked planes into office buildings.
Do me a favor and make sure Beamish reads that line about how Levin and Limbaugh support the Tea Party.
Levin is probably the loudest critic of the Tea Party's descent into populist bullshittery and embrace of Ron Paul's foreign policy than anyone with a microphone.
Limbaugh's got a book to sell when Obama gets re-elected.
I want to hear him explain how Limbaugh especially is a stealth leftist and secret Democrat.
Surely you'd have figured that out after all the airtime Limbaugh spent on portraying John McCain as a Vietnamese intelligence asset and getting people to the polls for Hillary Clinton.
Beamish has come across some information if I didn't know better I'd swear he got from Alex Jones.
If it came from Alex Jones, it'd be hawking UFO meditation techniques and Ron Paul for President T-shirts next to Holocaust denial flash cards.
No, all I have is two ears and two eyes and an honest assessment of what I observe.
Beamish, have you forgotten the picture you used to rant about, the one where McCain was cuddling with his former North Vietnamese captor? Forgive me, but you and I both know McCain was and is a mess. And so what if Rush tried to get people to vote for Hillary. You seem to have forgotten that was the primaries, which would make sense since her name wasn't on the general election ballot. Limbaugh was purposely trying to split the Democratic Party.
And yes, of course he didn't like McCain. People do that in primaries. You can't vote for everybody on your side. I was for Giuliani, as liberal a Republican as you will find anywhere, until Thompson got in, and turned out according to some to be a stalking horse for McCain.
McCain won, and I voted for him, though only because of Palin. I honestly hoped the old fuck would fall over dead the second they both took the oath of office.
I'll vote for anybody the Republicans put up, and yes that includes Paul (thought I'm pretty sure that's not going to happen).
I might not like who they put up, especially if its Huntsman, and I don't like Romney's foray into socialized medicine or his attachment to Global Climate Change "science" (especially since Bain Capitol stands to make a mint out of alternative energy production), but what are you going to do, spend your life bitching because nobody can pass a fucking litmus test?
If it will make you feel better I'm reasonably sure all the Tea Party candidates are solidly against gay marriage. Don't quote me on that though, all I have is their word on that.
Beamish, have you forgotten the picture you used to rant about, the one where McCain was cuddling with his former North Vietnamese captor? Forgive me, but you and I both know McCain was and is a mess.
But when it came down to McCain, Romney, and Huckabee... McCain was clearly the most conservative of the three.
I always try to vote for the most conservative candidate in the race. Never in my life has that conflicted with my vow to never, ever, vote for a Democrat. Will the Tea Party ever get around to forwarding a candidate at least as conservative as Barack Obama?
And so what if Rush tried to get people to vote for Hillary. You seem to have forgotten that was the primaries, which would make sense since her name wasn't on the general election ballot. Limbaugh was purposely trying to split the Democratic Party.
And he did. One side of that split calls itself the "Tea Party." Hey look, Hillary Clinton called herself "conservative" as well.
I understand the cynical idea... anyone who is not Barack Obama must by definition be more conservative than Barack Obama. But the Tea Party proved that wrong.
And yes, of course he didn't like McCain. People do that in primaries. You can't vote for everybody on your side. I was for Giuliani, as liberal a Republican as you will find anywhere, until Thompson got in, and turned out according to some to be a stalking horse for McCain.
I'm all about honesty in politics. Guiliani never claimed to be a "conservative." I'd have never voted for him, but at least he didn't go around claiming to be something he's not, like Hillary's "conservative" Tea Party "movement."
Heck, I might even cut Ron Paul some slack if he were honest about being a SAVAK / SAVAMA agent seeking to help Iran blow up Monsey, NY with a nuke.
I might not like who they put up, especially if its Huntsman, and I don't like Romney's foray into socialized medicine or his attachment to Global Climate Change "science" (especially since Bain Capitol stands to make a mint out of alternative energy production), but what are you going to do, spend your life bitching because nobody can pass a fucking litmus test?
I don't have a litmus test. Just a sniff test. I sniff Michelle Bachmann and smell a patchouli-doused Che Guevara T-shirt rather than a conservative, for example.
If it will make you feel better I'm reasonably sure all the Tea Party candidates are solidly against gay marriage. Don't quote me on that though, all I have is their word on that.
I wouldn't trust their word. Having voted for Democrats before, they're morally capable of anything and more than likely plotting to kill you as we speak.
All you need to know about the Tea Party's stance on faggotry went down at the CPAC circuit party.
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