There are those of you that are rather perplexed by the exchanges in recent posts
1) Sonia is as always herself and poignant. It is true that Paul has less chance of getting elected
than Lindsay Lohan.
What she doesn't grasp is that I signed on to the party of Reagan. I did not sign on to be a member of a party of freaks and losers. My party stands for something and Truthers, KKK goons and Nazis belong in the other party.
2) The Pagan He knows Ron Paul is a freak going nowhere. He is a minor part of the Tea Party movement.
3) Farmer John The farmer is no Paul fan. He just is not a fan of cleaning the party outhouses.
How he proposes to get the garbage out is unknown.
4) Joe Conservative You get a hint of the real animus of Joe Conservative when he mentions AIPAC. Now all of you can grasp that Mr. B is dead on. Lets see a Jewish Federal Officer who objects to Paul's rants about Gaza as a concentration camp, idiocy about Israel defending itself fron Lefty and Terrorist loons on the Turkish Love Boats is a schill for AIPAC. My objection as a 9-11 survivor to the Paul Truther brigade is AIPAC. My objection to Stormfronters and Holocaust deniers in the Paul brigade is AIPAC.
Mr. B is clearly not Jewish so in the warped mind of Joe Conservative what does that make him
a Christian Zionist or Neocon.
Many of us remember Mr B vs a Nazi sympahizer Rightminded. Some of us were sceptical but
Mr B was proven correct.
Never bet against Mr B
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Don't be fooled. Joe Communist is one of Farmer John's many sock puppets.
I suppose he thinks he's being funny shilling to Ahmedinejad, er Ron Paul.
FJ
Is that you.
This is clearly not funny.
Mr. B is clearly not Jewish so in the warped mind of Joe Conservative what does that make him a Christian Zionist or Neocon.
I just recognize that hawkers of Ron Paul paraphenalia converge with people who believe in Mein Kampf and believe the "Protocols of the Elders of Zion" nonsense about Jewish bankers controlling the world and that the US is a "Zionist Occupied Government."
I just find it alarmingly suspect that Ron Paul's loudest support comes from neo-Nazis, followed by white supremacists, followed by Daily Kos bloggers and Hezbollah supporters.
Also known as "filth." It's no surprise that Ron Paul enjoys so much support from the far-left communists of the Tea Party.
He's just the turd baby in the brackish bathwater and piss-stained bathtub that is the disgruntled KKK Democrats that created the Tea Party.
"We're 'conservatives' now!!! Can we throw a gay dance party at CPAC huh huh can we?"
Fuck that noise.
This is clearly not funny.
No it's not. Beamish and you are on a tear to sink the Tea Party, and I don't find it a bit funny.
What HE said!
I just find it alarmingly suspect that Ron Paul's loudest support comes from neo-Nazis, followed by white supremacists, followed by Daily Kos bloggers and Hezbollah supporters.
Support? I may not like what Ron Paul has to say, but I will defend to my DEATH his right to say it.
No it's not. Beamish and you are on a tear to sink the Tea Party, and I don't find it a bit funny.
Psst. Conservatives fight communism. Pass it on.
Joe/FJ
You will find that you have made my point for me.
This is not about the Tea Party. It
is about them Jews. Bill Buckley cleaned your type out of the conservative movement.
You will find that the more reasonable types like Z, Pagan have no sympathy for this type of rhetoric.
You are doing a better job sinking it than Mr B or myself.
FJ
This is not funny
Now Beamish has the line of the year. I fell out of my chair.
Beak, I can't believe you didn't know Joe Conservative was Farmer John.
Beamish, it sounds like you have more of a fight with me than the Tea Party. I'm always arguing with Tea Party members about entitlements. I think they're fine. For the most part they want to end them yesterday. The only ones that don't want to end them say they want to "reform" them, which amounts to privatization.
They are for America being the "leader" of the so-called "free world". Where in the fuck this so-called "free world" exists is yet to be explained. Do you have to go through a wormhole to get there?
They tossed a hissy fit over McConnell wanting to go along with Obama's plans to raise the debt ceiling. They were ready willing and able to default if that's what the result would be. The vast majority of them were pissed off at the Republicans that wanted to compromise and started talking about "primarying" the ones that eventually did.
I told them to go ahead and let Obama have his way so the people could see in no uncertain terms how it would work out.
Now more people are mad at the Tea Party than are mad at Obama, which bring me to my main problem with them-they are too impractical. They're even now following Perry's lead and talking shit about Social Security being a Ponzi scheme, and how they should make that an issue. Yeah, let's lose Florida to Obama, and a bunch of other states as well we don't have to lose. A hint, its called POLITICS for a reason, you have to use your head. At least you have to explain your position in a comprehensible way.
But most of them believe in the same things you say you believe in, or used to anyway. I don't know where you get this stuff, but its not real. Ron Paul is not a viable part of the Tea Party movement. Bachmann, Perry, Cain, yeah they are, as is Palin. And I admit I have some issues with Perry, and I seriously question Cain on some minor issues, but these people are not socialists.
As for this shit about Obama being referred to as a "nigger", where did you ever hear that? Some Stormfront idiot that calls himself a Tea Party member doesn't count. Anybody can call themselves anything.
You will find that the more reasonable types like Z, Pagan have no sympathy for this type of rhetoric.
Indeed they don't. But lucky for you, they can tolerate complete asses better than I can.
FJ
Are you also Rightminded?
How long have you been an anti semite?
How he proposes to get the garbage out is unknown.
Unlike you, I trust the American voters to sort it out. Not all of us are as impaired and in need of the politics police as dumb and dumber.
No I'm Soc, beakerkin. Can't YOU tell?
Bwah-ha-ha-ha-ha!
While we are at it what is with the Joseph Brandt avatar. Brandt was a lackey brother in law of the a Brittish general. He sold out his people and would be considered
a war criminal.
Were he not Indian and given a noble savage dispensation he should
have met his end by the rope. In the end his crown allies sold him out. Not that the loyal Oniedas were treated much better.
You really need to get a handle on your paranoia, beakerkin. Otherwise, before you know it, you'll be thinking that there are anti-semites hiding under your bed trying to trip you up once the lights go out. Or worse. You'll start to see Invisible Men that look like Ron Paul.
Okay so why wait this long to out yourself Socko. At least you are not doing Chenglish or Muster Quark.
What were you thinking with that dreadful Prof Meathead?
Give it up beakerkin... the duck is laughing his ass off.
Okay FJ
Why go through all of this to come
out as Socko now?
So basically you are an empty shell
devoid of anything substantial. I can cycle through known sock puppets and find anything I wish.
Its funny FJ. Just not in the manner you think. Then again it does make sense.
FJ
This is funny just not quite in the manner you think. It shows you really do not have much of a life.
I will go on doing important stuff
while you waste your life in cyber
space.
In the end you can fool some of the
people some of the time. However, you can not fool Mr B ever.
In the end Mr B has the last laugh.
How long have you been anti semitic?
That's your problem beakerkin, it all makes sense.
It's not the truth.
But it all makes sense.
How long have you been anti semitic?
Actually, it all started about two days ago. I'll probably get over it, but if you keep this up, it'll probably last a lot longer.
Yes that you have no life and wasted about six years.
People are laughing, but not the people you think. Outsmarted by
Mr B who smoked you out.
All your efforts wasted
Not amused FJ.
At least we kept you pinned down here and away from sexually folks.
Did you write the stuff about molesting the kids on the Radosh article. That was some of the sickest stuff I read.
Who wrote that
Yep, it's likely to be permanent.
You and beamish smoked me out. You're both so much smarter than me.
Have a nice life beakerkin.
That we are smarter than you goes without saying.
In the end you fooled yourself. You wasted seven years of your life
on what??
Did you write that stuff about molesting your kids. That was some of the sickest stuff I ever read.
Foiled by Mr B. Now we can get to the part familiar to all Scooby Doo fans.
And I would have gotten away with it if not for you meddling heavy metal fans.
Beamish, it sounds like you have more of a fight with me than the Tea Party. I'm always arguing with Tea Party members about entitlements. I think they're fine. For the most part they want to end them yesterday.
If there were ANY Tea Party groups out there in support of ending Social Security and Medicare and replacing them with absolutely-not-a-god-damned-thing I'll probably allow myself visible associations with the Tea Party.
The only ones that don't want to end them say they want to "reform" them, which amounts to privatization.
But the vast majority of them, if the "Tea Party Federation" that purports to speak for the Tea Party "movement" is to be believed, consistently polls 70+% in opposition to doing anything to Social Security and Medicare while there's still a defense and national security budget to gut and people making over $600 a year to tax.
They are for America being the "leader" of the so-called "free world". Where in the fuck this so-called "free world" exists is yet to be explained. Do you have to go through a wormhole to get there?
Maybe a time machine, circa 1991. The 21st Century began with most of the leaders of the truly totalitarian regimes in the world looking at dying of old age with no successors in sight. That now, of course is changed, and it's not due to America fighting for freedom around the world.
They tossed a hissy fit over McConnell wanting to go along with Obama's plans to raise the debt ceiling. They were ready willing and able to default if that's what the result would be. The vast majority of them were pissed off at the Republicans that wanted to compromise and started talking about "primarying" the ones that eventually did.
The Tea Party "movement" is pretty much personified by Comrade Bachmann, who's only political accomplishment in life has been to help Jimmy Carter get elected, which isn't really all that impressive considering Mondale was a Minnesotan. Stick your wet finger in the wind and you'll have the Tea Party's next incoherent populist position. It never occurs to them to adopt a conservative position, which would run counter to the purpose of their existence in the first place.
I told them to go ahead and let Obama have his way so the people could see in no uncertain terms how it would work out.
Wasted breath. The only problems the Tea Party "movement" has with Obama is his skin color and that he's letting Mexicans sponge off their beloved welfare state. Because it is utterly impossible to drop napalm on a Tea Party gathering and actually light a conservative on fire. They're not there.
Now more people are mad at the Tea Party than are mad at Obama, which bring me to my main problem with them-they are too impractical. They're even now following Perry's lead and talking shit about Social Security being a Ponzi scheme, and how they should make that an issue. Yeah, let's lose Florida to Obama, and a bunch of other states as well we don't have to lose. A hint, its called POLITICS for a reason, you have to use your head. At least you have to explain your position in a comprehensible way.
Perry is gaining some interest from me due to his correctly identifying Social Security as a Ponzi scheme, but I still need some assurances that Perry is not out to destroy the US Constitution and kill as many Americans as possible, which one can naturally presume from his support of Al Gore in 1988. Anytime you have a candidate known to have supported a Democrat for President after 1960, you run a very significant risk of that candidate going haywire and killing people in a shooting spree like that left-wing twit Jared Loughner. Rick Perry is known to carry a gun.
Just sayin'.
Beak,
I wasn't interested in "outing" any of FJ's sock puppets. When he puffed up behind Ron Paul and the ever extreme leftward-leaning Tea Party "movement," I figured I'd just lead him right along into reciting AIPAC conspiracy theories. It's not a coincidence that Ron Paul appeals to the neo-Nazi crowd. Any shill for Mahmoud "Nuke the Jews off the map" Ahmedinejad would.
I honestly thought FJ was joking with his willingness to try to contort the GOP into trying to out-Obama Obama, as the homeless KKK wing of the Democratic Party now calling itself the Tea Party is attempting to do. Maybe his sense of humor is sicker than mine.
Or maybe he really does think Christine O'Donnell's campaign in Delaware was sabotaged by Karl Rove's mind control laser.
Beamish do you really even know anything about the Tea Party? When did you become okay with illegal immigration? What's all this hate towards Christine O'Donnell. Are you pissed at Sharon Angle too for losing Nevada?
Do you really want the Republican Party to become the party of John McCain and Meg Whitman? Are you really that okay with the status quo?
My problem with Perry is two-fold. One, he's supposedly too weak on Islamic fundamentalism and shariah law, allegedly. I say allegedly because that's the rap, and he has yet to clarify his position.
He's also supposedly weak on illegal immigration, so I guess that's another point in his favor with you.
And then there was the Gardasil mess, which frankly I don't give two fucks on a hot dog bun about.
But when he starts talking about Social Security being a Ponsi scheme he owes it to the voters, the party, and for that matter himself to expound his position in a comprehensible way. What would he do about it?
Cain, my problem with him is the opposite of yours. He actually backtracked on his position of communities opposed to mosques, which made him look weak and indecisive. Now to hear him tell it you'd think Islam was an actual religion as opposed to a militant political ideology as well as a religion.
Allow them to build mosques? Fuck that, I don't want to allow them to even move here. If I had my way they'd get the same treatment communists got in the 1950's. It's at least as appropriate, and I have an idea you would have had no problem with McCarthy back in the day.
My only other problem with Cain is he used to be on the Federal Reserve, so I don't know where he stand on Fed issues, one of the things where I have some affinity for Paul.
Other than that, no problem with Cain. Well, there is that time he called Obama a nigger.
Just kiddin'
Mr B
I didn't want to think that FJ was capable of such stupidity.
In the end he couldn't find his white whale named Donal. He wasted
years of his life on this. Thousands of hours on an obsession
beyond his grasp.
He was forgotten and all of his time wasted. At least he will not be sexually harrassing women.
He will be back. He has no life.
I pity the guy.
Pagan
There are some disturbing elements
in the Tea Party.
My problem with them is that they placed freaks and loons in races that the GOP should have won.
I am taking my fight straight to the Pauls.
There are disturbing elements in ALL parties, not the least of which is the establishment wing of the GOP. I'm all for running candidates that have the best chance of winning, but if a Tea Party candidate ousts somebody that votes with the Democrats one third to fifty percent of the time, especially on such important issues as illegal immigration and Cap and Trade, what the hell have you lost?
This is a new movement that needs to grow and evolve. I have told certain ones that I have had contact with, over and over again, you have to be patient. It takes time to grow a movement. You can't just rush in and take over the GOP tomorrow.
But at the end of the day, their priorities and their values are a hell of a lot closer to the constitution than a John McCain Republican, and damn sure more than any fucking Democrat.
Beamish do you really even know anything about the Tea Party?
Who does? Who can find a Tea Party "movement" spokesperson even a slim majority of Tea Party "groups" will stand behind and not disown or disavow next week?
When did you become okay with illegal immigration?
When it was alleged that it is destroying America's Social Security and Medicare welfare system, which is like my holy grail and path to paradise. The sooner Social Security and Medicare is destroyed, the better. God dammit we should be running down to Mexico and hauling them up here by the freight truckload if that's the case.
What's all this hate towards Christine O'Donnell. Are you pissed at Sharon Angle too for losing Nevada?
Who? Oh yeah, her. I'm more interested in how the Republican Party lost two cakewalk Senate races for extremely vulnerable Democrat seats in a year where an unpopular takeover of the health care industry had just occured and gaining those seats were the key to repealling it and the answer is "Tea Party twits."
Do you really want the Republican Party to become the party of John McCain and Meg Whitman? Are you really that okay with the status quo?
I'll take John McCain and Meg Whitman over Ron Paul, Michelle Bachmann, Herman Cain, Donald Trump and Rick Perry any day all day. I'd prefer even more conservative candidates than McCain or Whitman, but those two are far more conservative than anyone the Tea Party national socialists are serving up.
Cain, my problem with him is the opposite of yours. He actually backtracked on his position of communities opposed to mosques, which made him look weak and indecisive. Now to hear him tell it you'd think Islam was an actual religion as opposed to a militant political ideology as well as a religion.
So is Asatru and labor unionism. What of it?
Allow them to build mosques? Fuck that, I don't want to allow them to even move here. If I had my way they'd get the same treatment communists got in the 1950's.
What? Integration into the Democratic Party? Norman Thomas stopped perennially running for President after the Democrats adopted his platform.
Needless to say, I see far more dangers to America in its thousands of union halls than its hundreds of mosques.
It's at least as appropriate, and I have an idea you would have had no problem with McCarthy back in the day.
McCarthy was too soft on commies for my tastes.
Pagan
I am an establshment guy. We let Paul go on too long.
I can deal with the other candidates. I have had my fill of Tea Party freaks that did cost us races.
My fight is not with the Tea Party
my fight is with the Pauls. The Pauls need to
That's where you and I disagree, Beak. You could accept the "Tea Party movement" if it weren't providing a vehicle for Ron Paul's anti-Semitic shilling for Ahmedinejad, I could accept the "Tea Party movement" if it would stop delusionally miscalling itself "conservative" and go back to its fellow left-wing socialists in the Democratic Party that spawned it.
Yeah, a Keynesian Carter / Mondale supporter, an Al Gore supporting shill for Hillarycare and TARP bailouts, a serially bankrupt real estate swindler and a known SAVAK asset are gonna come down out of the hills and show us Republicans what for on how to be conservative.
It's satire that writes itself.
So who are you guys for, out of the ones running now? Huntsman? Romney? You'd better jump on board those bandwagons, those guys sure are not "Tea Partiers". Those are regular establishment Republicans in the mold of John McCain and Lyndsey Graham.
Of course, they'll try to reform Medicare and Social Security to make it safe for future generations, and they are all for Cap And Trade, or at least they are all for some form of it.
But hey, at least they ain't Tea Baggers.
Beak, you call that comment by FJ an admission that he was Socrates? REALLY? REALLY?
There is no similarity between FJ and Socrates in my memory, that's for sure.
Donal has changed a lot; remember, she was the cause for my leaving FPM completely. SHe lied, she taunted; I figured blogging stank and that was it and I left, never to return. We've emailed a couple times since then and she's told me she's horrified about her behavior toward me.
Man, that was a tough time for me because I"d enjoyed FPM for so long.
Beamish,
illegal immigrants (...) we should be running down to Mexico and hauling them up here by the freight truckload
This would have many immediate effects (some good, some bad) - lower prices for everything, more people going to church, less support for abortion rights, fewer blacks as percentage of the population, and Pagan forced at gunpoint to learn Spanish.... A mixed bag overall...
So who are you guys for, out of the ones running now? Huntsman? Romney? You'd better jump on board those bandwagons, those guys sure are not "Tea Partiers". Those are regular establishment Republicans in the mold of John McCain and Lyndsey Graham.
What's sad is that relatively speaking Huntsman is probably the 2nd most conservative candidate running after the far-left Barack Obama. The Tea Party is so damned concerned with being more left-wing than Obama (what with their circulating pledges declaring that black people were better off as slaves, their declaring the religious and speech rights of Muslims are negotiable, their desire to gut the military to save their welfare state, their call for increased taxation on "the rich" i.e. anyone making over $20,000 a year, etc.) it is blatantly fucking obvious no conservatives are running for President in 2012.
Yes, I know about Santorum. Trouble is, no one else does.
Beamish-
Start reading some sites by real Tea Party supporters, then come back and show me where any Tea Party people believe in any of that shit. Don't come back and parrot Erich Erichson or the Collossus of Rhodey.
The Tea Party doesn't even denounce the "religious and speech rights of Muslims" (nobody's perfect) and Michelle Bachmann did not, nor did anyone else in the Tea Party, say anything about blacks being better off as slaves. Do you know where that came from? From Tea Party people talking about going back to the constitution. In other words, its a lie, as though the Tea Party by saying they want to go back to the constitution mean they want to discard the 13th and 14th Amendments. That's where that shit comes from.
Gut the military? They're as pro-military as you. Yes, they even want us to keep on protecting left wing European quasi socialist states from the consequences of their actions by continuing to prop them up without making them adjust their policies in a realistic way. Again, they're not perfect. They're still determined to lead this fictional free world that exists in some alternate universe.
Shit Beamish, the question isn't why don't you support the Tea Party. The question should be why the fuck do I support them. You should be their fucking leader. If you join them maybe you can kick out the Paulbots. All two or three hundred of them.
Never bet against Mr B
Obama will win the 2012 election by 36 Billion votes.
Any takers?
Pagan,
Look up the "Declaration of Dependence on Marriage and Family" that Michelle Bachmann signed. It plainly states a belief that black people were better off as slaves than as free people able to vote for Obama.
Now, it is isn't surprising given that Michelle Bachmann at one time openly supported one of the most violent and genocidal anti-American organizations mankind has ever concieved (aka the Carter for President '76 campaign) that she would sign such a foul document, but I don't see why we should overlook her clear affinities for Democrat racism and let her into a forum where conservatives are to speak.
Pagan, you ROCK
When did John McCain work to get Jimmy Carter elected President? When did John McCain work to get Al Gore elected President? When did John McCain endorse Hillarycare?
When is the Tea Party "movement" going to forward a conservative candidate?
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