There are certain odious aspects of life in the Saudi Kingdom that do mimic Communist thugery.
The theocracy does maintain a force of religious police and finks that are similar to famed Cuban
block patrols.
Well apparently some of the local women have had it and one apparently beat the crap out of the religious goon. We talk about Saudi Arabia but in reality they did not react in as brutal manner as had this happened in Cuba.
The Duck could swap out his manifesto for a Koran and repeat 90% of his material. In reality communism has more in common with the corrupt Saudi Thugocracy than a secular democracy.
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"There are certain odious aspects of life in the Saudi Kingdom that do mimic Communist thugery."
Yeah Beak! Specifically their mockery of wealth!
Well, as I have been saying, the fundamentalist hold in the Islamic world is weakening.
It's going to take some time and America might be slow to pick up on it but despite what AOW and assorted Islamophobes think, the change is coming.
This is just more proof although the change will be gradual. The irony is that pop culture is the force fr change. Lady Gaga is a lot ore effective than the useless American military.
Oh, check out GayEagle today. Dipstick is going on about Jews inventing the "dumb blonde". Now as much as I love Judy Holliday you real should remind GayEagle about Jean Harlow and the early screwball comedies.
He's also on about Jews founding Hollywood but the tone isn't particularly respectful. His sense of film history is pretty pathetic. He doesn't seem to know about the developments on the continent long before Edison. But anyway, check him out.
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The Saudis know how to hoard wealth and unlike Chavez provide services to their citizens without shortage.
Duncy
Let Yeagley rest,
We do not have the time to wait for change the stakes are too high.
Cavez goes first when we get a real
President.
"The Saudis know how to hoard wealth and unlike Chavez provide services to their citizens without shortage."
This represents to me a needless attempt to exonerate the Saudi government and maintain the status quo. I guess I just don't get why you need to compare the two regimes to begin with. If you're trying to understand barbaric, gruesomely mindless violence against women and religious minorities from an Islamic standpoint, Saudi Arabia is an important place to start. To give them a pass by shifting gears to rail about Marxism and Chavez is puzzling.
Taken individually, Saudi Arabia is a human right's violator of epic proportions. This is true regardless of Hugo Chavez, it's apples and oranges.
Ray
Ray
Chavez is running a Narco terrorist state and has his own violations of human rights,
Contra time
Sure, Chavez is a scum bag that desires total power over every aspect of his people's lives. That still doesn't lessen Saudi Arabia's own issues and extremist Wahabism. I don't think they can be compared as to which is worse, as neither of use live there. Why can't we just say that they are both horrible regimes without, perhaps, unintentionally letting either of them off the hook? Most terrorists that have affected our country have come from Arabia, if I'm not mistaken.
Ray
Beak,
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Chavez goes first when we get a real President.
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I doubt it. Chavez is too precious a commodity to waste, even for a Republican president. Every day poor Venezuelans sweat it out without electricity is a reminder for all the other Latin Americans to swallow their pride and accept the Yankee cock up their ass....
I think the Americans have learned their lesson in Iraq. Don't liberate the poor smucks. Let them rot under anti-Yankee dictatorships and they will love America. Liberate them and they will shoot American soldiers.
Out of curiosity, why do you feel as though you have to choose one or the other to condemn? What criteria can a non-resident of either country use to come to such a decision?
I would hope you'd agree that we can't beat up and invade every country that we don't like or that has grotesque human rights violations. Given that fact, as well as the irrefutable proof that Saudi Arabia has been directly involved in acts of terrorism against our country, what has Venezuela done SPECIFICALLY AS DESTRUCTIVE to the U.S.? Is it the oil situation? Is that why you give them a free pass?
Ray
Well gee, Saudi is a human rights violator. Thanks for the news flash. DOH !!!
What's that got to do with how long it is going to take for the society to transition. Are you part of the Beak school that says "we can't wait for change"? What are you going to do, demand change or have Likud lob a couple hot ones?
Let us know when you have something relevant, Ray.
"The Saudis know how to hoard wealth and unlike Chavez provide services to their citizens without shortage."
Yes Beak, such as that or that or that. You must be out of your mind to make that comparison AT ALL, let alone not to twig that Chavez comes out of it as a lily-white democrat and respecter of the rule of law. Saudi Arabia is probably the worst country that ever existed when it comes to human rights violations (including each and every "commie" country that ever existed) and you think that the "hoarding of wealth" of which a narrowly defined circle of stinking rich "citizens" profit, is a redeeming quality? Let me tell you, that Saudi Arabia doesn't have "citizens" because they are not a civil (as derived from "civicus") society. There are lords and tributaries and there are slaves. Real slaves, chattel slaves. You are always waxing lyrically about American values. Get your priorities right. Compared to Saudi Arabia's princes, Josef Stalin was a democrat, a philantropist and defender of Western values.
Get a grip!
"Duncy
Let Yeagley rest,"
YOU are not doing that, Beak!
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The people of Saudi Arabia lack many freedoms. However they can find and afford whatever they wish within religious limits.
The country is far safer than Venezuela in terms of crime other than an few acts of terror here and there directed against guest workers.The Saudi government for the most part respects private property.
What it has in common with Venezuela is funding terrorists.
We correctly point out that Hezbollah also gets arms from Chavez.
What funding of terror that originates from the Saudis is through private channels, regardless of the fact that many of the particulars are government officials of one stripe or another.
All of you need to study up on Saudi Arabia before you jump to conclusions. Its not as simple as you make it. There is a separation of powers, made up of the monarchy on the one hand, and the clergy on the other. The government of the monarchy controls the secular side of life. It's main purpose is to regulate the economy and conduct foreign affairs, and provide security. The clergy of course rules the religious side.
Its been this way since about the time of the American Revolution. The monarchy's most important function is to provide stability, and also security during the Haaj. Someone had to provide security in the face of so many people coming from so many different places in the world all at the same time. The clergy actually came to an accord with the monarchy to provide security and stability and to run the mundane civil affairs of life while they concentrated on the propagation of Shariah Law.
I'm not sure, but the concept of the religious police is probably a relatively recent innovation. More and more, the lines are being blurred between the secular and religious divides. But shariah law has always held sway over people's personal and religious lives. That's nothing new. And before relatively recently, it was never an issue.
Saudi Arabia is a very backward, and in many ways barbaric society, but its also a very simple one that's only been thrust into the prism of the modern world's focus over the last half century.
Comparing them to communists like Stalin, or Hitler, is really beyond the pale. It's even going way too far to compare them to Chavez. It's almost like comparing two complete opposites.
Chavez, Stalin, etc., were and are trying to impose a completely different order on their societies, a revolutionary disruption of the status quo.
The Saudis are simply trying to maintain a status quo that has been on-going for more than a millenia. In reality, many aspects of its culture is more like two or three thousand years old.
They aren't going to change, and really, why should they change? Most of them wouldn't dream of changing, and that's including the women. Granted, they are brainwashed and in some cases browbeaten from a very early age to believe in their culture, but people that think that most Saudi women are just chomping at the bits to get away from their abusive husbands and live a modern western lifestyle are as deluded and naive as they think those Saudi women are.
They also don't give two rats asses about democracy. In fact, they consider it a decadent concept and a recipe for chaos. Well, I wonder where they might have gotten that idea.
Duck, my comments pertained to Beak's point about how Chavez and Venezuela pose a greater human right's issue than does Saudi Arabia. Hypothetically, if one regime had to be taken out, given Saudi Arabia's extremism and diproportionate number of terrorists from their country, I'd go with them.
So, no, little buddy, I'm not advocating invasion of every country that sucks ass. My comments speak to Beak's consistently trying to equate Latin American dictators as being as much a "clear and present danger" to the U.S. as extremist Muslims. There's something deeply disgusting with giving Saudi Arabia a pass because one has a hard-on for Venezuela and Cuba. Beak, from what I've gathered from his writings, seems to favor the U.S. being engaged in a continual state of warfare around the world.
Ray
Beak, you are beyond redemption.
"Hypothetically, if one regime had to be taken out, given Saudi Arabia's extremism and diproportionate number of terrorists from their country, I'd go with them."
Ray that is delusional. You can reform Communism, in fact, the people in the former Yugoslavia for example had a relatively high standard of individual freedom, but not Islam. To make Saudi Arabia habitable you would have to... well, you can't.
"They aren't going to change, and really, why should they change? Most of them wouldn't dream of changing, and that's including the women. Granted, they are brainwashed and in some cases browbeaten from a very early age to believe in their culture, but people that think that most Saudi women are just chomping at the bits to get away from their abusive husbands and live a modern western lifestyle are as deluded and naive as they think those Saudi women are.
They also don't give two rats asses about democracy. In fact, they consider it a decadent concept and a recipe for chaos. Well, I wonder where they might have gotten that idea."
I agree with you 100% save the last sentence. To assume that Muslims have learned anything (good or bad) from the West is delusional. It is arrogant and therefore dangerous as well. If I have misunderstood you I apologise. They didn't need to learn antisemitism from the Germans, nor contempt for democracy from communism. It was there from the start, is has remained the same for more than thousand years and it will never change. It has never been reformed and it will never be. If Christianity spread the faith by violent means, it was against the faith. If Muslims did so, it was (and is) exactly what they are supposed to do.
"I'm not sure, but the concept of the religious police is probably a relatively recent innovation. More and more, the lines are being blurred between the secular and religious divides. But shariah law has always held sway over people's personal and religious lives. That's nothing new. And before relatively recently, it was never an issue."
There have never been lines between the secular and religious divides, are not, never will be. There ARE NO "secular" issues in that society. Why, do you think, do the cowardly Brits have started to design their prison lavs so Muslim inmates do not have to face Mecca while taking a dump? Every hidden nook and cranny of human life, however "secular" it may appear to us, is ruled by the sharia.
You are probably right that the religious police is a relatively recent innovation. That is because the Saudis are forced to faff around with decadent infidels lately, who might have a bad influence on the faithfuls, if they want to sell their precious oil.
"Well, as I have been saying, the fundamentalist hold in the Islamic world is weakening."
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You would have to look extremely hard to find any one group of people who are more bigoted than Muslims, in general, and more racist than Arab Muslims. You might well be looking a very long time. It's not just Antisemitism. The on-going massacres at Darfur is a sterling example of a racist Arab policy against an indigenous, non-Arab people. For the icing on the cake, their victims are for the most part Muslims themselves even.
In other words, they pretty much hate anybody that isn't Arab, but they will tolerate them in most but not all cases, albeit barely, if they are Muslim.
My previous remarks weren't meant to convey my impressions of all Muslims, or even of all Arabs, it was limited strictly to Saudi Arabia-its culture, society, etc.
Before the last half-century there was no need there for religious police. Saudi Arabia is a very xenophobic, almost hermetically sealed country. I think the majority of people would prefer it stay that way, but the imams are the problem, as they are the main problem with Muslims anywhere in the world. If it were not for them, Arabs and Muslims would probably assimilate in their adoptive countries just like any other set of immigrants typically do. Saudi Arabia would remain as it has been since for two thousand years, a relatively innocuous place that just happens to do a brisk oil business.
Kill the radical Imams, or Mullahs in the case of Shi'ites, along with their families and closest and most devoted supporters and followers, and you pretty much cut off the head of the snake.
Sure, you are creating martyrs in the initial stages. After all, they are the true "rock stars" of the Muslim world. But as long as you maintain a consistent policy of elimination, future Imams will get the message and will tailor their own message accordingly. After all, these people are mostly cowards who want others to do their fighting and dying and suicide bombing for them.
I have yet to hear of a radical Imam who died as the result of a suicide bomb.
"It's not just Antisemitism."
If that was the impression I conveyed, it was the wrong one. Sorry! I just took antisemitism as ONE thing the poor Muslims have been supposedly taught by us evil Westeners.
We are disputing a bit about the emperor's beard here (as the German saying goes, i.e. about nothing) because we don't know what would happen if we'd cut off the head of the snake by killing the Mullahs and their ilk. However, I'd wager that for any Mullah, Imam or Hodja two new ones would emerge. Islam doesn't know a religious order, like Christianity and Judaism. Every Muslim can preach. The only thing that could save us is to reduce the Muslim population in the West safely below the critical mass of 3%. In Germany, banning the "import brides" from Turkey would be a sensible first step which ought to have been made decades ago, and strictly cut off any influx of relatives from Turkey, stop issuing German passports to them at once, take the German passport from all those with double citizenship and expelling every non-German-citizen who clocks up as much as a parking ticket, let alone a criminal record.
I am from the industrial area along the river Ruhr, and some cities there have a Muslim population of 30, 40, 50% which is growing while I am writing this. Those cities have become virtually uninhabitable for ethnic Germans, the rule of law doesn't prevail there anymore, and the German police is absolutely powerless. If that isn't stopped, the region will have to be cut off one day in the not too far future, like the Kosovo. The same applies to large chunks of Berlin.
The most frightening thing is, that maybe twenty, certainly thirty years ago, those Turks seemed, to all intends and purposes, fairly well adjusted. It seemed fair to assume that, while the elderly people would not assimilate (and nobody expected that), their children and grandchildren would. Well, they have NOT. Instead, they underwent a re-Islamisation of frightening proportions. And the same would happen if you cut off the head of the snake. It would grow countless new ones.
Just the two Eurocents of a badly burnt former liberal.
Lookee here Beak!
That is the sort of "service" the Saudis provide to their "citizens". Express disposal of their killed maidservants to their home country, bodybags included, no less!
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