tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-11044955.post7161172301833039276..comments2024-02-20T21:48:16.978-05:00Comments on The Beak Speaks: Are the Poor Oppressed In Americabeakerkinhttp://www.blogger.com/profile/06088967209404588378noreply@blogger.comBlogger22125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-11044955.post-25972069474617213652015-05-04T13:50:24.460-05:002015-05-04T13:50:24.460-05:00It isn't flowery words to believe that all hum...It isn't flowery words to believe that all human life is precious and that we are all subject to a luck of the draw when we come into existence. It should be our duty to care for one another. We are in a civilized society, not the jungle where it's every man for himself. In fact, pure capitalism is the reason much corruption takes place. Furthermore, that corruption makes consumers less trusting of the market which actual weakens the market... So capitalism can actually destroy itself by definition. Having a societal governing philosophy that supersedes a laissez faire economic system is imperative. Additionally, many of the poorest children are forced into public school systems where learning & having children attend every day isn't even a top priority of the school. They are too focused on the best way to get more funding. This is another example of how the love for the almighty buck will ruin society. These neglected students are faced with a choice no child should ever have to make: stay in school where its boring and you might have a 1% chance of getting into a college, or go out on the poor streets join with a drug dealing gang that gives you a place among peers and pays you some money for looking out for cops. Eventually these kids move up in the gangs that inevitably become violent and they may die, but not before this once child has an opportunity to impregnate some poor girl who can't afford to raise a kid and must suck on the teet of society to raise her kid in the same streets and same vicious cycle the original father grew up in.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-11044955.post-89037152971765662242013-07-01T01:43:36.353-05:002013-07-01T01:43:36.353-05:00Most people comments are ridiculous, and discrimin...Most people comments are ridiculous, and discriminatory towards poor people in America. Poor people are stupid, mentally, ill or drug addicts right or educationally and vocally inferior? Poor people are crack addicts-if they are poor how can these afford crack? Please drugs are expensive habit on continual basis. So argument is flawed here as it is likely one became poor by this expensive habit. At this point a poor person who has this issue would only be able to sporadically indulge in this habit. Poor people are mentally ill excuse not always true; maybe one in five are ill. Poor people are lazy; not always true again some have little access to decent employment or laid off. Poor people in America starve or freeze to death in America. Poor people are dumb; not so, there many intelligent articulate poor as well who have innovative ideas w/out means to implement them. The primary issue is access to services bringing lasting changes.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-11044955.post-57221520561647049972012-12-09T13:32:27.759-05:002012-12-09T13:32:27.759-05:00Roen
I wish I were not as familiar with the pligh...Roen<br /><br />I wish I were not as familiar with the plight of the working poor. Yes there is abuse and fraud in the program.<br /><br />The poor frequently get there by poor lifestyle choices. A bad economy has not helped either.beakerkinhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/06088967209404588378noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-11044955.post-36138201503549708902012-12-09T12:48:56.288-05:002012-12-09T12:48:56.288-05:00Beak,
If the poor are treated badly in America th...Beak,<br /><br />If the poor are treated badly in America then what about the working families? Only about 50% of people in the US who are able to work actually do. The other 50% however become poor and live off of food stamps and spend any money they can scrape up on luxuries such as laptops and video games. I myself know a young girl who's father is unemployed and lives in his mothers house when he is over the age og 40 and lives off of food stamps yet he sends HER to the grocery store to get him candy and sada with the food stamps or a few dollars from the girls grandmother, he also makes her watch over her three younger siblings every day all day. The girl claims she has seen him smoking weed too. Now exactly who is treated unfairly when working families pay taxes that go to the poor pathetic people like him. In my family the mother and father have always worked. Not just one of them and we have always had to live in bad neighbor hoods and never got luxuries like phones. We never lived on food stamps and we always kept our heads held high so WHO is the one being oppressed?Roennoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-11044955.post-7318928298854048082008-08-17T00:34:00.000-05:002008-08-17T00:34:00.000-05:00DevonI still have the same respect for Justin even...Devon<BR/><BR/>I still have the same respect for Justin even as he grows more shrill and bellicose. I do not tend to take such matters seriously. Ironically, there are those among us who express similar sentiments about Justin to those he wrote about me.<BR/><BR/>I understand the part about being loyal to a friend as well. Unfortunately, I do stand behind the comments. I wish they were said<BR/>out of anger, but it is not the case.beakerkinhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/06088967209404588378noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-11044955.post-14964369451528138722008-08-16T23:32:00.000-05:002008-08-16T23:32:00.000-05:00devon - i live in the heart of the ozarks - have y...devon - i live in the heart of the ozarks - have yet to see a starving person - as a matter of fact, most are extremely overweight - those who appear to be starving are crankwhores and such - it is by choice they appear to be hungry.<BR/><BR/>if you know hungry people, please direct them to angelfood ministries - they will be able to purchase quality and affordable food. more importantly, they'll feel better about it if they're buying it for themselves. <BR/><BR/>btw - what are you feeling so guilty about that you're worried about hungry people - usually this is but a mask for something below the surface? just curious - something i'm not given to normally. it seems you're projecting...correct me if i'm wrong. please.nanchttps://www.blogger.com/profile/12826221747951050380noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-11044955.post-19435275987732153222008-08-16T23:18:00.000-05:002008-08-16T23:18:00.000-05:00DevonActually I have spent plenty of time in the p...Devon<BR/><BR/>Actually I have spent plenty of time in the poor sections of NYC, NJ and VT. In some ways the poor are worse off in Vermont.<BR/><BR/>The poor visit my office each and every day. The poor have needs that are unique as the human experience itself.<BR/><BR/>While the poor have varied needs<BR/>they are not oppressed in any description whatsoever. Most of the oppression talk is political opportunism. If you want to help the poor focus on needs and individuals. <BR/><BR/>Lost in the words bandied back and forth is the respect I have for Justin and yourself. I still have the same respect I always had, even if he is 100% wrong about this.beakerkinhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/06088967209404588378noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-11044955.post-90919945226350808512008-08-16T23:04:00.000-05:002008-08-16T23:04:00.000-05:00Beak evidently you haven't been to the getto's in ...Beak evidently you haven't been to the getto's in new york or anwhere arround the ozark's needless to say the applachian's where there are alot of poorand needy. have you ever really gotten outside your eliment and seen what goes on in the real world or do you go about your daily business never looking past the next streetAnonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-11044955.post-18153561939562927222008-08-15T05:32:00.000-05:002008-08-15T05:32:00.000-05:00There is also a poverty mindset that needs to be e...There is also a poverty mindset that needs to be eliminated.<BR/>And part of that mindset is the idea that it's someone else's fault, and is accompanied by bitterness and anger.<BR/>Sometimes it maybe "someone's" fault...but the culture of poverty has tenacious tentacles, it crushes initiative, it encourages sloth and dependency, it denigrates education, it trashes it's environment and surroundings...it has a huge component of, "I don't care, because...".<BR/>Which is why I prefer to do my charity one-on-one, because if you are involved with the person or family, you can help change the "stinkin' thinkin'" that is prevelant.<BR/>You have to get into the trenches and get sweaty and dirty, but 1 person or family changed, has a ripple effect.<BR/>1 person can change, maybe not a society, but 1 family, which may change an apartment building, which may change a block, which may change a neighborhood!<BR/>Segregating the poor into tenements has NEVER worked, it just concentrates the misery, and makes it harder to have hope.<BR/><BR/>tmwThe Merry Widowhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/07931051881434050901noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-11044955.post-71842288714818230812008-08-14T15:37:00.000-05:002008-08-14T15:37:00.000-05:00Food inflation in Venezuela is 40% this year.Food inflation in Venezuela is 40% this year.Rita Locahttps://www.blogger.com/profile/09961929692808138092noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-11044955.post-90624135773889919492008-08-13T18:20:00.000-05:002008-08-13T18:20:00.000-05:00JunglemomThe poor in America do not starve. There ...Junglemom<BR/><BR/>The poor in America do not starve. There are a plethora or resources.<BR/>Poverty in the USA is a product of many other factors, but oppression.<BR/><BR/>Third world poverty is another story.<BR/>However, as your friends in Venezuela<BR/>are aware a touch of Marx makes these<BR/>problems worse.beakerkinhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/06088967209404588378noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-11044955.post-59189982190116247532008-08-13T10:48:00.000-05:002008-08-13T10:48:00.000-05:00Oh! And I meant to add a hello from Paraguay, wher...Oh! And I meant to add a hello from Paraguay, where we have real poor people that, you know, DIE from starvation.Rita Locahttps://www.blogger.com/profile/09961929692808138092noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-11044955.post-53534867707270897722008-08-13T10:45:00.000-05:002008-08-13T10:45:00.000-05:00I can see that many of you have never seen true op...I can see that many of you have never seen true oppression nor poverty!Rita Locahttps://www.blogger.com/profile/09961929692808138092noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-11044955.post-80179995559590914162008-08-12T13:15:00.000-05:002008-08-12T13:15:00.000-05:00I see a lot of people using food stamps and beggin...I see a lot of people using food stamps and begging on the roads looking for work for food. You're right about lack of vocational skills for some of them - but I think it's more of a lack of confidence.<BR/><BR/>Once someone loses their confidence and feel they are inferior, it's all over and they're hitting the streets.Steve Harkonnenhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/09497761866380334481noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-11044955.post-3340765846723905142008-08-12T12:27:00.000-05:002008-08-12T12:27:00.000-05:00A lot of the problem with the poor is due to an op...A lot of the problem with the poor is due to an oppressive tax system. <BR/><BR/>Why tax pharmaceutical companies and insurance companies? They just turn around and pass that tax onto the consumer, ergo the price of pharmaceuticals and insurance goes up-and up and up and up.<BR/><BR/>Eliminate the tax on the condition that these companies keep prices down to a reasonable level and promote fair policies and the problem is solved to a great extent.<BR/><BR/>When they take advantage of people by price gouging, then it's time for a little "social justice". Fine them and arrest them.<BR/><BR/>You can apply the same rule with energy companies. Why tax them? Just establish rules for doing business and insist these rules are adhered to. <BR/><BR/>Implement this along with some kind of flat tax or national sales tax and the economy would grow by leaps and bounds.<BR/><BR/>There will always be problems and there will always be some degree of poverty, but it will be much less than now, low enough in fact a social service safety net apparatus will not be a dire burden on the taxpayers.<BR/><BR/>The main problem with implementing common sense solutions is the simple fact that unfair tax burdens aren't meant so much to uplift the poor or solve social problems, it's meant mainly to limit private acquisition of wealth. It's based on class envy and resentment, but it's main purpose is to consolidate power among these special interest groups.SecondComingOfBasthttps://www.blogger.com/profile/03336586430250490679noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-11044955.post-75594946242024315872008-08-12T05:28:00.000-05:002008-08-12T05:28:00.000-05:00Just a note to Justin here:The fact is the Church,...Just a note to Justin here:<BR/><BR/><I>The fact is the Church, the Government and you and I as human beings have a charge to help those less fortunate than us.</I><BR/><BR/>Huh? God has provided mankind with plenty of insects to eat. Does he have to bring them to the "less fortunate" on a plate as well, or is it too much to ask to have them round up insects themselves?(((Thought Criminal)))https://www.blogger.com/profile/17311656184275255223noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-11044955.post-70597535482111227712008-08-12T05:23:00.000-05:002008-08-12T05:23:00.000-05:00Exactly, Beak.Knock someone's brains out onto the ...Exactly, Beak.<BR/><BR/>Knock someone's brains out onto the pavement with a sledgehammer and I bet 10 to 1 odds less people will give a damn if it's Joe Schmoe's brains on the pavement or Bill Gates' brains. Brains is brains. Death is very egalitarian in that respect.<BR/><BR/>In fact, the quickest way to make everyone equal is to kill them all. <BR/><BR/>And so we're faced with the age-old problem of getting people to agree with the idea that everyone needs to die.<BR/><BR/>To dissent from the idea that everyone needs to be put to death is ultimately to become a conservative. Otherwise, you're stuck with the socially inept / retarded and leftist manner of thinking behind every fucked up system devised by mankind from Hindu caste systems to communist class warfare hierarchies (forgive the redundancy.)<BR/><BR/>Conservatives are born with the idea of working towards whatever goal the individual sets for himself, no matter what default circumstances are given at the starting point. Dirt poor broke ass mofos have risen beyond their circumstances to become captains of sucessful industries or financial empires. But, it isn't necessary to achieve "king of the world" status, I'm not saying that at all. The most sucessful people in the world, irregardless of socio-economic status, enjoys what he does for a living, and laughs that he's being paid for it. Happiness comes in so many price ranges that economic status is ultimately only suitable for odious comparisons.<BR/><BR/>At the other end of the scale, the leftist end, the political pole that attracts idiots like shit attracts maggots, you find people that are incapable of happiness because they were "born" in a world where their self-inflicted sense of hopelessness is "justified "by unseen forces that "ripped them off" centuries before their own ancestors were born. <BR/><BR/>One of the many reasons why I refuse to entertain the absurd notion that a leftist could possibly be capable of rational thought is because a leftist's ultimate default position is that "someone owes him" something for the mere fact that his daddy forgot to wear a condom. <BR/><BR/>Leftists should be ridiculed as the perpetual failures they choose to be.<BR/><BR/>People do not choose to become leftists. You are a leftist until your mind develops beyond the diaper-shitting stage.(((Thought Criminal)))https://www.blogger.com/profile/17311656184275255223noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-11044955.post-18241473073956047652008-08-12T02:57:00.000-05:002008-08-12T02:57:00.000-05:00Group rights are a totalitarian concept as is the ...Group rights are a totalitarian concept as is the talk of oppression.<BR/>America is based upon individual liberties. The abuses of the liberties that you speak of were real but the solution was ensuring this individual liberty was extended to all. Unfortunately, we merely ended up imposing new discrimination the other way with more group rights.<BR/><BR/>The talk of oppression is classic communism. Communism starts with the notion of dividing people into <BR/>classes. Of course the more divided <BR/>classes we have the greater their<BR/>need for the all knowing sons of Marx to act as Gods representatives<BR/>on earth. The only thing the sons of Marx have done is to multiply whatever misery existed before. Zimbabwe was a dreadful place but add a touch of Marx and voila you have hell on earth. <BR/><BR/>Social Justice itself is a communist concept. I am an American<BR/>and as such am entitled to individual rights. You may try as you like to reinvent and package a lousy idea. However, to claim that this concept is not based in Marx is false.beakerkinhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/06088967209404588378noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-11044955.post-84841508981852133692008-08-12T02:21:00.000-05:002008-08-12T02:21:00.000-05:00A serious look at poverty shows people with a vari...A serious look at poverty shows people with a variety of problems.<BR/>Mental illness, lack of vocational or social skills, medical issues and substance abuse. These are the real issues of the homeless not oppression.<BR/><BR/>Lets go back to the civil rights era.There were a series of unjust laws that political pressure changed. One should read statements by communists in the Venona Project. Communists were fairly racist and looked to exploit the situation. <BR/><BR/>However, the legacy of changing that injustice was the imposition of more injustice via quotas. The notion that certain people get favorable treatment due to race is also unAmerican. We have moved from overt bigotry in one direction to a <BR/>more subtle form in another.beakerkinhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/06088967209404588378noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-11044955.post-63820063150202478482008-08-12T01:52:00.000-05:002008-08-12T01:52:00.000-05:00JustinLets start this in sectionsThe fact that a p...Justin<BR/><BR/>Lets start this in sections<BR/><BR/>The fact that a person feels they are oppressed does not make it so. Hospitals are filled with people who have all types of complexes that have no basis in reality.<BR/><BR/>Assuming your statement about this particular social worker is true. This is a case of poor customer service. Why is the person in front<BR/>of this civil servant? Are you going to blame the doctor for opressing the patient next when he has cancer? <BR/><BR/>A person gets bad customer service in the DMV. This person may be inconvenienced and annoyed but not <BR/>oppressed.beakerkinhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/06088967209404588378noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-11044955.post-54071131146351616492008-08-11T11:27:00.000-05:002008-08-11T11:27:00.000-05:00Beak, I am never amazed at how when some one uses ...Beak, <BR/><BR/>I am never amazed at how when some one uses a term such as oppression or social justice you can always some how link it to some sinister communist marxist plot. <BR/><BR/>Group rights as you call it is not in conflict with individual rights. Where would you be or where would we all be if some group had not taken it on themselves to pull off a "Reveloution" to get themselves as a group what they called rights. Not everyone in this country agreed with them at the time but they as a group fought to be liberated from what they saw as oppression. Sometimes a group has to fight to have the same individual rights that you and I have. Would the Blacks have the rights to walk into many restaraunts, ride in the front of buses or even vote had they not chosen to fight as a group a system that denied them those rights? Do you deny that those conditions existed? <BR/><BR/>Yeah folks I'm the one who challenged Beak on his assessment that the poor are not oppressed. What Beak fails to understand is that oppression is not just being shackled in chains or ruled over by a oppressive government. Oppression comes from the feelig of being trapped in a system such as poverty that to many there seems no way out of. <BR/><BR/>Now Beak your readers should know that this whole thing started over a discussion between you and myself regarding Radical Fundementalism. <BR/>You were upset that I did not nor have I yet mentioned Radical Liberal Religion which in due time I will cover those. I was writing about Radical Fundementalist Churches and preachers who falsely teach prosperity religion, that teach that Adam was G-d incarnate, or teach that those who disagree with them when they come to power will be given a chance to repent or they will simply not be heard from again. However, you chose to come back to your blog and write that I was attacking Christianity which was a False Hood that I did not appreciate. I was in no way attacking Christians or Christianity. I was writing about False Christianity that has lost its way and has become the vehicle for the generation of untold millions in capital with out accountability. I was writing about False Christianity that teaches and preaches feel good philosophies and that you will get rich by making them rich. I was writing about people and churches who have fallen into these false precepts and forgotten their first true love and their charge in the world. Now if you cannot separate what is being said when you see the word "Radical" and you think it is a attack on all of Christianity then so be it. How many of your readers support Rick Warren and the Emergent Churches? How many of your readers support the Prosperity teachings of the Radical Churches and television ministeries? <BR/><BR/>I must say you do a wonderful job of cloaking a subject by comparing it to the poor in India or the poor in Hati or Latin America. Am I talking about the poor in those countries. No, Im talking about people in our own back yard. In America Beak. Am I calling for giving them uncontrolled subsidies? No, but, as a people and a Nation we need to develop and work on a system that will give many of them a hand up not a hand out Beak. <BR/>That my friend is not Socialism, Marxism or Communisim. That is addressing and correcting a problem that does exist in this country.<BR/><BR/>There are many that no matter what the system they cannot be or in some cases they refuse to be helped but we need a system that can and will help. No one is calling for the re-distribution of wealth or property. Did I ever call for this? No, I did not. <BR/><BR/>As to the rude public servants. Did I ever say there were not rude people in the private sector? Nope. Why? Because we were talking about a totally different situation. I was talking about a social worker who basely humilates a mother in front of her children and others in the office. We can talk the private sector later. The public servants attitude had nothing to do with upholding any laws or regulations what so ever. I know you dont like it when I say there are public servants out there that are only there for the money and the benefits. But, truth is there are they have no concern about the people they are supposed to help. Yeah Beak, I have seen racial discrimination perpetrated by these public servants. <BR/><BR/>The simple fact is Beak there are those who feel oppressed by being locked into a system that there seems no way out of. And when the word opperssed is used it is not in your definitions. The fact is the Church, the Government and you and I as human beings have a charge to help those less fortunate than us. By help Beak let me be very clear so you dont go off with your socialist agenda again, I mean assisting them in getting out of the situation they are in. Does that mean everyone will be pulled up? No it does not. Does it mean we will end poverty? No, it does not. <BR/>But, does that mean as a socioety we should just throw up our hands and walk off? No it doesnt. <BR/><BR/>Your ideas on education and job training are very honorable however, having worked in those programs in the Government I can speak first hand as to how it is weighed down in bureaucratic mumbo jumbo and it winds up helping very few people. The majority of people who need this help also need help with an income to support their families and believe me Beak I know and have seen first hand how hard it is for some to get that kind of help. Its easy to say well, they need to get a job or a education but, where are they going to get the assistance to do that if we do not have a Social Program that offers them that help. <BR/><BR/>Your solution is when you see someone use a word you dont like like Social Program or you find a sinister code in you label it and their proposal to be Socialistic, Communistic, or Marxist. Well it is not that black and white sorry.Justinhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/06026667875395857323noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-11044955.post-39792501571563984772008-08-11T08:04:00.000-05:002008-08-11T08:04:00.000-05:00um, excuse me - when was the last time you saw a t...um, excuse me - when was the last time you saw a truly poor thin person? with all the food programs, most of them are the size of a small car. they get section 8 housing, food stamps, medical care, free drugs/pharms, can go months without paying their power bills, and the list goes on.<BR/><BR/>as far as i'm concerned, it is the taxpayer who is oppressed having to pay for MANY of their lazyarse ways!<BR/><BR/>this strikes such a nerve with me, beak - as i see pastors, priests and preachers sitting on their golden thrones, travelling first class and they've rescinded their charity cases to the government.<BR/><BR/>pist.nanchttps://www.blogger.com/profile/12826221747951050380noreply@blogger.com