tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-11044955.post114380798560502299..comments2024-02-20T21:48:16.978-05:00Comments on The Beak Speaks: Murder of a Nation by Henry Morgenthau part 1beakerkinhttp://www.blogger.com/profile/06088967209404588378noreply@blogger.comBlogger62125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-11044955.post-1144327918434679682006-04-06T07:51:00.000-05:002006-04-06T07:51:00.000-05:00Thank you, Warren....and you may be right. Power ...Thank you, Warren.<BR/><BR/>...and you may be right. Power can be quite an in<I>toxic</I>ant.<BR/><BR/>-FJAnonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-11044955.post-1144285962192476392006-04-05T20:12:00.000-05:002006-04-05T20:12:00.000-05:00" I'm surprised that Muslims aren't open to idea's...<I>" I'm surprised that Muslims aren't open to idea's behind the Holy Trinity.</I>"<BR/><BR/>They acknowledge a "Holy Spirit", but given their views, resting in the "spirit" would seem to be more akin to demonic possession. (from my perspective)<BR/><BR/>I guess that old Mo couldn't start out as a prophet then turn into the son of God. They have that whole slave of God thing going too.<BR/><BR/>I can't see the Muslim version of the son of God sacrificing himself for a bunch of slaves.<BR/><BR/>I can't decide whether al-Sistan is a cooler head or if he's playing a power game, of course those things aren't mutually exclusive.<BR/><BR/>Thank you for the discussionWarrenhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/17720528359843578475noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-11044955.post-1144258292797027692006-04-05T12:31:00.000-05:002006-04-05T12:31:00.000-05:00But then again, perhaps they are. These idea's pr...But then again, perhaps they are. These idea's probably were not entirely "foreign" prior and subsequent to MtP's "birth".<BR/><BR/>-FJAnonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-11044955.post-1144258138209919722006-04-05T12:28:00.000-05:002006-04-05T12:28:00.000-05:00I'm surprised that Muslim's aren't open to idea's ...I'm surprised that Muslim's aren't open to idea's behind the Holy Trinity.<BR/><BR/>-FJAnonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-11044955.post-1144256249623784442006-04-05T11:57:00.000-05:002006-04-05T11:57:00.000-05:00...you are right about one thing, apocalyptic fant......you are right about one thing, apocalyptic fantasies in the nuclear age are very scary things... as are titles like "Supreme Leader", religious or otherwise. The Shi'a are stepping out after millenia of Sunni domination. It takes a while to learn the lessons of good government. To me, al-Sistani seems to provide a "cooler" head, and is more circumspect in the use of his influence. I hope it "rubs" off on his "peers" (although thankfully, you can't really call them that).<BR/><BR/>As for the Sunni, now that's another problem entirely. They're "old school" and have dominated the region, and their neighbors, for millenia. Osama is simply an "over-ripe" fruit. And so long as the Kingdom is able to isolate itself and minimize outside influence, that situation is unlikely to change.<BR/><BR/>Attempts to expand their religious "reach" into Europe and America and control Islamic "scholarship" world-wide, are very troubling developments, IMO. And to me, represent the "hidden" reach of the "Caliphate"... the 12th and still <I>hidden</I> imam.<BR/><BR/>-FJAnonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-11044955.post-1144194426484881332006-04-04T18:47:00.000-05:002006-04-04T18:47:00.000-05:00To lapse into plain English; I believe there are t...To lapse into plain English; I believe there are two distinct factions one of which has many offshoots and works toward a world Caliphate. The other, Iran, while ostensibly wanting that goal, actually is trying to advance the arrival of the Mahdi, "twelfth Imam".<BR/><BR/>I believe that the latter are the greater threat!Warrenhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/17720528359843578475noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-11044955.post-1144154814383075232006-04-04T07:46:00.000-05:002006-04-04T07:46:00.000-05:00The attempt, however, was not without it's critics...The attempt, however, was not without it's <A HREF="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Guardianship_of_the_jurists_%28doctrine%29" REL="nofollow">critics </A> at the time.<BR/><BR/>-FJAnonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-11044955.post-1144154656965120822006-04-04T07:44:00.000-05:002006-04-04T07:44:00.000-05:00The fertilizer currently being applied certainly h...The fertilizer currently being applied certainly has that potential. In fact, I suspect that the problem we are facing today is largely the result of a previous misguided indiginous scientific attempt to create an "Africanized" <A HREF="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Waliyat_al-faqih_%28book_by_Khomeini%29" REL="nofollow">hybrid</A>.<BR/><BR/>-FJAnonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-11044955.post-1144116679243349922006-04-03T21:11:00.000-05:002006-04-03T21:11:00.000-05:00FJ,Perhaps your experiment would be deserving of p...FJ,<BR/>Perhaps your experiment would be deserving of pursuit.<BR/><BR/>And I would hope that the result wouldn't be reminiscent of another experiment. The one involving African bees and Italian bees.<BR/><BR/>:^)Warrenhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/17720528359843578475noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-11044955.post-1144072241593418412006-04-03T08:50:00.000-05:002006-04-03T08:50:00.000-05:00beamish - i like zola's idea - hang a bladder of p...beamish - i like zola's idea - hang a bladder of pig blood on every form of public transportation in the nation of israel! you blow this bus up buddy and it's splatter time - pick up the beat!nanchttps://www.blogger.com/profile/08809768490674110768noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-11044955.post-1144066993804434552006-04-03T07:23:00.000-05:002006-04-03T07:23:00.000-05:00Of course, there are other ways of dealing with we...Of course, there are other ways of dealing with weeds. I once knew an old Japanese gardner who was very skilled. He experimented with clipping off single roots and branches and created marvellous miniature table top versions of his weeds, on a scale suitable for placing in pots with his Bonsai's.<BR/><BR/>And of course, following his example, some amateur American horticulturalists were able to experiment and create a variant of at least two varieties of cherry trees that were given to our country as a gift from Japan a hundred years ago.(the famous <I>Kwanza</I>n and Yoshino varieties). Using certain grafting techniques, they were able to vastly extend the lives of these two varieties of flowering yet-fruitless cherries.<BR/><BR/>My dream is that one day amateur botanists might attempt to graft an Iraqi variant of the native janjaweed to an Iranian one. But maybe it's just a dream. The vision in my head is still rather blurry and will likely not come to pass. The grafted head might easily fall off and spoil the whole attempt.<BR/><BR/>But if that attempt should indeed fail, I am confident that the scientific fertilizers they are currently developing will likely accelerate certain genetic mutations in the native janjaweed. And hopefully, their "natural" traits will re-emerge, and overpower the external conditioning that necessitates obsessive pot-scrubbing.<BR/><BR/>But who knows. I remember seeing some tree's as a child at a "Ripley's" museum that had assumed all sorts of innovative shapes and uses. And those examples were produced long before men had begun experimenting with the original DNA and genetic engineering.<BR/><BR/>-FJAnonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-11044955.post-1144039762430200072006-04-02T23:49:00.000-05:002006-04-02T23:49:00.000-05:00Jews, like Muslims, also have a dietary restrictio...Jews, like Muslims, also have a dietary restriction against eating pork. <BR/><BR/>"And the LORD spake unto Moses and to Aaron, saying unto them, <BR/>Speak unto the children of Israel, saying, These are the beasts<BR/>which ye shall eat among all the beasts that are on the earth.<BR/>Whatsoever parteth the hoof, and is clovenfooted, and cheweth the<BR/>cud, among the beasts, that shall ye eat. Nevertheless these shall ye not eat of them that chew the cud, or of them that divide the hoof: as the camel, because he cheweth the cud, but divideth not the hoof; he is unclean unto you.<BR/>And the coney, because he cheweth the cud, but divideth not the<BR/>hoof; he is unclean unto you. And the hare, because he cheweth the cud, but divideth not the hoof; he is unclean unto you. And the swine, though he divide the hoof, and be clovenfooted, yet he cheweth not the cud; he is unclean to you. Of their flesh shall ye not eat, and their carcase shall ye not touch; they are unclean to you." (Leviticus 11:2-8)<BR/><BR/>(as well as other places)<BR/><BR/>But Jewish anti-pork restrictions don't have the absolutist bent of Muslim anti-pork restrictions. Jews can keep pigs. For example, The IDF uses wild boars, and uses them effectively, as guard animals in the Arab-occupied territories of Israel east of Jerusalem.<BR/><BR/>But to a Muslim, no amount of water, soap, sandblasting, prayer, or nuclear blasting will remove the unholiness placed upon everything touched by pork flesh. I exaggerate a little, but the amount of direction given in the Hadiths on how to clean a pot or pan that has been used to cook pork before it's holy enough to be used for camel piss battered falafel seems a little obsessive considering eating pork in the first place is supposed to condemn a man's soul to the worst parts of Muslim hell. Yeah Ahmed, you're going to hell for eating that bacon, but if you don't clean that skillet and say the magic words, everyone who eats something cooked with that skillet will go to hell too. Have a nice day. <BR/><BR/>What a bunch of hooey. These rubes were anachronistically primitive even 1400 years ago. <BR/><BR/>(I'll leave delving into the cleaning / purification rituals of Islamic law and their obvious origins in ancient Arabian / Vedic astrological "magick" and tribal superstition for a time when there are more Muslims here to offend)(((Thought Criminal)))https://www.blogger.com/profile/17311656184275255223noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-11044955.post-1144021057941523872006-04-02T18:37:00.000-05:002006-04-02T18:37:00.000-05:00looks like we missed some gardening lessons AND wh...looks like we missed some gardening lessons AND while I was out gardening...dayam!<BR/><BR/>aow - you are a gem!nanchttps://www.blogger.com/profile/08809768490674110768noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-11044955.post-1144016354772251312006-04-02T17:19:00.000-05:002006-04-02T17:19:00.000-05:00I missed out on this discussion, I suppose.I missed out on this discussion, I suppose.Always On Watchhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/01216119321836479641noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-11044955.post-1144015195423175352006-04-02T16:59:00.000-05:002006-04-02T16:59:00.000-05:00But the Brits and the Raj were the law. This weed ...But the Brits and the Raj were the law. <BR/><BR/>This weed is more prolific and has many heads.<BR/><BR/>When dealing with the Japanese, at the end of WW2, it was necessary to humiliate them. <BR/><BR/>Only when Hirohito denounced his "Godship" were we assured that it was over. Otherwise, the occupation of Japan would have been a blood bath.<BR/><BR/>But it would have been done regardless of the consequences.<BR/><BR/>Weeds don't die when there heads are removed. They simply grow another.<BR/><BR/><B>"Assassination for gain was a religious duty for them, and was considered a holy and honorable profession, in which moral feelings did not come into play."</B><BR/><BR/>That also sound familiar.Warrenhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/17720528359843578475noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-11044955.post-1144006344779391092006-04-02T14:32:00.000-05:002006-04-02T14:32:00.000-05:00...sounds like all you need to do is cut off the h......sounds like all you need to do is cut off the head... and the stalk and root whither and die off on their own.<BR/><BR/>-FJAnonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-11044955.post-1144005670446115382006-04-02T14:21:00.000-05:002006-04-02T14:21:00.000-05:00from Wikipedia...Thuggee was suppressed by the Bri...from Wikipedia...<BR/><BR/><I>Thuggee was suppressed by the British rulers of India in the 1830s, due largely to the efforts of William Sleeman, who started an extensive campaign involving <B>profiling, intelligence, and executions. A police organisation known as the Thuggee and Dacoity Department was established within the Government of India and remained in existence until 1904 when it was replaced by the Central Criminal Intelligence Department.</B> The defeat of the Thuggees played a part in securing Indian loyalty to the British Raj.<BR/><BR/>According to the Guinness Book of Records the Thuggee cult was responsible for approximately 2,000,000 deaths. Gang leader Behram (or Burham) has often been considered to be the world's most prolific serial killer with 931 killings between 1790 and 1830 attributed to him. Reference to contemporary manuscript sources, however, shows that Behram actually gave inconsistent statements regarding the number of murders he had committed, and that while he did state that he had "been present at" more than 930 killings committed by his gang of 25-50 men, elsewhere he admitted that he had personally strangled no more than 125 people. Having turned King's Evidence and agreed to inform on his former companions, furthermore, Behram never stood trial for any of the killings attributed to him, the total of which must thus remain a matter of dispute [James Paton, 'Collections on Thuggee and Dacoitee', British Library Add.Mss. 41300].</I><BR/><BR/>---<BR/><BR/><I>Though they themselves trace their origin to seven Muslim tribes, the Hindu followers only seem to be related during the early periods of Islamic development; at any rate, their religious creed and staunch worship of Kali, one of the Hindu Tantric Goddesses, showed no Islamic influence. Assassination for gain was a religious duty for them, and was considered a holy and honorable profession, in which moral feelings did not come into play. <B>It should be noted, however, that not all followers of Kali are thuggees, and the majority do not share the thuggee viewpoint.</B></I><BR/><BR/>---<BR/><BR/>Almost sounds that we need some "Special Ops" forces hunting down Osama... sound familiar?<BR/><BR/>-FJAnonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-11044955.post-1144004235557882402006-04-02T13:57:00.000-05:002006-04-02T13:57:00.000-05:00PursuingPursuingWarrenhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/17720528359843578475noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-11044955.post-1144004166231678922006-04-02T13:56:00.000-05:002006-04-02T13:56:00.000-05:00FJ said:"[...] there are "limits" which attach to ...FJ said:<BR/><I>"[...] there are "limits" which attach to a right to self-defense, aren't there?"</I><BR/><BR/>Only if I have appeal to law. If I have no appeal, if there is no law, there are no limits except those which I impose on myself. <BR/><BR/><I>"At what point does the legitimate pursuit end (Murat, Stuart, where are you?), and become folly?</I>"<BR/><BR/>When did the English stop perusing the Thugees?Warrenhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/17720528359843578475noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-11044955.post-1143996076054025822006-04-02T11:41:00.000-05:002006-04-02T11:41:00.000-05:00or perhaps more plainly, there are "limits" which ...or perhaps more plainly, there are "limits" which attach to a right to self-defense, aren't there? At what point does the legitimate pursuit end (Murat, Stuart, where are you?), and become folly?<BR/><BR/>-FJAnonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-11044955.post-1143993770787082802006-04-02T11:02:00.000-05:002006-04-02T11:02:00.000-05:00Do you also feel compelled to enter the wild-woods...Do you also feel compelled to enter the wild-woods with hoe and spade to eradicate them there as well?<BR/><BR/>Or do you stop your pursuit of noxious weeds at the fence line? <BR/><BR/>Or do you spray a "general" herbicide into the air and allow the wind to carry it whither it may? What will the neighbors think? (Best do it at night, when they're asleep than in the bright light of day). Perhaps that's <I>why</I> the Nocturnal Council (Plato, "Laws") meets by moonlight.<BR/><BR/>But of course, our own sheep do b-a-a-a-a-h and b-a-a-a-a-h and the neighbor dogs bark and growl so much that sometimes it's hard to get any sleep.<BR/><BR/>The battle with weeds needs to be continuous, but perhaps also "ceasonal" and <I><B>SPQR</B>ADIC</I>...starting perhaps in MARCH and ending around late-Augustus. But then who knows for sure... times and situations change.<BR/><BR/>There will probably always be poison ivy. Certain locations, like under the signs at crossroads, seem to encourage it's growth.<BR/><BR/>-FJAnonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-11044955.post-1143990809539498432006-04-02T10:13:00.000-05:002006-04-02T10:13:00.000-05:00FJ,When you are not making my brain itch and burn,...FJ,<BR/>When you are not making my brain itch and burn, you crack me up.<BR/><BR/>Vis a vis, "Oh what the hell! How can you fight a war, and NOT offend your enemies?<BR/><BR/>Eat pork Mohammed!"<BR/><BR/>*****<BR/><BR/>Some weeds I tolerate others I destroy, some I encourage. If they please me.<BR/><BR/>The thistle can be most foul but its iridescence blue blossom is beautiful. The milk weed is plain and I must keep it in check, it brings the Monarch Butterfly's to lay their eggs and I love those tiger striped caterpillars. The humming birds come to feed on the honeysuckle which I allow to foul the fence on the back of my property. The shade of my yard around my house and garage is the perfect place for the lilacs which grow there and the wild strawberries, which carpet my back yard, are pleasing to my eye with their tiny yellow blossoms and small, bitter, red fruit. <BR/><BR/>But I do not tolerate the Jimmson weed and belladonna, (strange that those deadly bits of nature are so closely related and that they share a kinship with the tomato and potato), which always tries to attain a foothold nor the poison sumac, ivy and oak that would soon make an unfit place for me to walk without fear of consequences. <BR/><BR/>I destroy them, stalk and root.Warrenhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/17720528359843578475noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-11044955.post-1143983930611224932006-04-02T08:18:00.000-05:002006-04-02T08:18:00.000-05:00A harder question. How can you fight a war, and n...A harder question. How can you fight a war, and not at the same time, offend your friends and allies?<BR/><BR/>Sorry for all the pork eating references, beak!<BR/><BR/>If they are strong enough, I'm sure they can forgive you. But if they are weak, they might hang on to that feeling of resentment for a long, long time.<BR/><BR/>Does the sincerity offered with the apology matter?<BR/>How about if I follow it up with "acts of contrition"?<BR/><BR/>-FJAnonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-11044955.post-1143982370391372712006-04-02T07:52:00.000-05:002006-04-02T07:52:00.000-05:00...but if I were dying of thirst in the dessert, d......but if I were dying of thirst in the dessert, de-hydrated, blurred vision, half-out-of-my-head, I wonder if I could drink camel urine and believe it to be medicine. pig urine???<BR/><BR/>-FJAnonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-11044955.post-1143982004693037782006-04-02T07:46:00.000-05:002006-04-02T07:46:00.000-05:00Oh what the hell! How can you fight a war, and NO...Oh what the hell! How can you fight a war, and NOT offend your enemies?<BR/><BR/>Eat pork Mohammed!<BR/><BR/>-FJAnonymousnoreply@blogger.com